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Hi all,The last two drivers from Nvidia I have used, yes improvment in performance and frame rates in FSX sp2 Acc Dx10Drivers are versions 175.16 and 175.19With either of these installed FSX will crash in full screen mode, may not happen straight away, could be 10 minutes into game running, but if I load a new flight or afct or switch back to my desktop and then go back to full screen mode, it will crash.Windows says it is a Blue Screen error although I don't even see a blue screen, just blanks creen and I can hear the sounds from FSX still running.With 175.19 installed, this kept coming upDriver display nvlddmkm stopped responding and has been restarted.Only way to stop this error is a windows reboot.Pre SP1 of Vista this never happened. I did a fresh install the other week of Vista etc and problem has not gone away.I know there is a debate going on about the 175 rivers in another post, but nothing about a Blue Screen error.Thanks PhilMy systemDell XPS 710Quad core 66004gb 667Nvidia 8800 GTX 756mbVista 32bit SP1FSX Sp2 with Acc and running in DX10 preview mode.

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175.19 driver did exactly what you described whether in windowed mode or full screen. Went back to 175.16 and runs well in windowed mode, I haven't tried full screen with 175.16 but will now do so.I have the nVidia 8800 GTX 320

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I had the exact same error with 175.19 with Vista64 and BFG 8800GTX. "Display driver has stopped and has been restarted"I went back to 169.xx and everything is great.RhettFS box: E8500 (@ 3.80 ghz), AC Freezer 7 Pro, ASUS P5E3 Premium, BFG 8800GTX 756 (nVidia 169 WHQL), 4gb DDR3 1600 Patriot Cas7 7-7-7-20 (2T), PC Power 750, WD 150gb 10000rpm Raptor, Seagate 500gb, Silverstone TJ09 case, Vista Ultimate 64ASX Client: AMD 3700+ (@ 2.6 ghz), 7800GT

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The "display driver has stopped responding" is a common error. Nvidia "fixed" the problem around with the release of the 162.xx drivers and long before the release of Vista SP1. There were several MS hotfixes issued to resolve the problem and Nvidia use to list those hotfixes on their driver download page. I don't see them there anymore but you have Vista w/SP1 installed so all of those hotfixes should have been automatically installed. Like you, I began to get the "display driver has stopped responding" message especially when going back to the desktop. It occurred occasionally when going into windowed mode then back to full screen too. I opined it was a memory issue of some sort. For my /3GB switch I used bcdedit to increaseuserva to 3072 (I have the same basic system as you except I have 2 8800 GTX's in SLI mode each with 768MB memory (I also have the Dell XPS 720H2C). I decided to lower this memory allocation to 2560 as recommended by many users on this forum and by Phil Taylor over at the MS Aces Team. Since doing that, I rarely see the error message. I also have virtual memory management set at "System Managed". So that pretty much fixed the problem for me and I hope it's permanent as it was a frustrating issue. BTW, I have the latest and greatest display drivers installed. Hope this helps to resolve your problem.Best regards,Jim

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I started having the same error with 175.19 with Vista64 and an EVGA 800GTX SC. "Display driver has stopped and has been restarted"I have since reverted back to 175.16 with Vista64. Kind of a bummer, I really liked the graphical quality of the 175.19 drivers.

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Thanks to all for replies.Yes I do have the hotfixes install, been quite a few of them since SP1.I'll check out Nvidia page re these hotfoxes to make sure I have them al installed. I hope I can fix this as the 175 drivers so far have given me the best performance and look of FSX yet! As for lowing memorty allocaiton hmm, I think I know how to do that, that was one thing I noticed when I did my fresh install of Vista and everything, Windows update did not find the SP1 and I had to download it as a stand alone download. That is fine.But the perforamnce score in Vista for my memory score is 5.0Before it was 5.1And on my XPS laptop which basically is same hardware etc except has one a duel core and newer cpu, as I only bought that two months ago, it has the same ram in it and amount of ram and it's score is 5.1I don't see how Vista can give two different ram memory scores, but I guess that is a minor problem.Anyway I'll check out all suggested and see how I go and get back post back.CheersPhil

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"As for lowing memorty allocaiton hmm, I think I know how to do that,"Phil,To make sure we are on the same page regarding memory allocation I discussed earlier, you should do a search on the FSX Forum for an excellent article by Bill Leaming entitled, ""OOM Error" explained in comprehensible English". This will explain in detail how to use the /3GB switch I was talking about."But the perforamnce score in Vista for my memory score is 5.0Before it was 5.1"You might check your virtual memory performance settings and make sure it is set to "System Managed" size (System Properties>Advanced Tab>Performance Settings>Advanced Tab>Virtual memory>Change). I think System Managed works the best but sometimes people set up their own sizes. You might also make sure your harddrive is defragged, especially since installing FSX as FSX throws files all over the hard drive. A defrag will bring this files back into order, not only for FSX but for your system files too. In any case, the small performance drop is nothing significant.Best regards,Jim

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Hi Phil,1) Do you run FSX and Vista with the same screen resolution? If not, you should!2) Try auto-hiding the taskbar.3) With DX10 run FSX in full screen mode

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Hi,may sound stupid, but try to lower the core frequency of the 8800 GTX.I got the stopped working error too and tried several drivers.If I lower the core frequency from 550 too 500 MHz the DX10 preview runs for hours.Strange point is that in DX10 mode the graphic card didn't get as hot as in DX9 mode.I also get "heating(?)" errors in Call of Juarez. The error occurred after longer playing and corrupt also the Vista error view.My guess is that the 8800 and the 9800 have a DX10 hardware bug and getting hot in a specified area of the chip. Such hot spots are common and if you really want to test GPU or CPU you must try to get the hot spot hot. This is what prime do for the CPU, because the floating point path is the hot spot path of CPUs.If you google around you will find that many Nvidia 8800 users get nvlddmkm stopped errors in DX10 games. For me it is a clear sign of overheating hardware error.Currently thinking about a ATI card, but my workaround save me the 250 bucks.Just my 2 cents

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Thanks guysJim, re memory, score was 5.1 before fresh isntallaiton of everythingI know what your on about with memory allocation, (been trying to sort that out on our work server, but that is another issue.)David I think you may of hit the nail on the head, screen resoltuon, ever since refresh insatll, FSX has been lower display resoltion than desktop. In the past I have had both FSX and Vista in same resoltiuion.I'll test that out now and advise.As for core / heating problems, one cannot rule anything out, but I doubt that would be it,still one never knowsCheersPhil

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Hi allWell as drivers were not letting FSX fully load into a flight, this is version 175.16 and 19I decided to delete the fsx.cfg file and let FSX create a new one.Now this worked fine with drivers 175.16 and even for a little while with 175.19, but try and go from non full window mode back to full window mode and driver 175.19, I get that same message above it stopped and restarted, however to get FSX to load again, I have to reboot Vista.Jim, re your post about this driver stopped message, I don

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>Hi all>>Well as drivers were not letting FSX fully load into a flight,>this is version 175.16 and 19>>I decided to delete the fsx.cfg file and let FSX create a new>one.>Now this worked fine with drivers 175.16 and even for a little>while with 175.19, but try and go from non full window mode>back to full window mode and driver 175.19, I get that same>message above it stopped and restarted, however to get FSX to>load again, I have to reboot Vista.>Jim, re your post about this driver stopped message, I don

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"Jim, re your post about this driver stopped message, I don

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Same here with my 8800 GT, except now Train Sim gives me a BSOD everytime I play it thanks to the display driver. I hope to get an ATI by the end of the year.

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Hi Jim,I read up on it and check it out.As for drivers, hmm, after installing FSX and sp2 running DX10 preview mode on my newer XPS laptop, with almost same settings including AI traffic etc, I get 2x if not 3x frame rates and performance is great, compated to my XPS 710 DesktopYet Laptop only has a Duel core cpu, although it is one of the newer 45nm versions, 4gb ram, Nvidia 8600 video card, Vista Sp1I am now wondering if video card itself is the problem.Approx 2 months ago, my XPS 710 Dell desktop had to have it's cpu cooling fan and MB replaced, all Dell tech said was a switch on MB was faulty and was casuhing the fan to run a high RPM'sAnyone who has an XPS desktop of around this model, will know when you first turn them on, that make a high fan noise and then calms down, well 2 months ago it did calm down, I am now worried that the Video card might of been damaged.When I get some more free time, I am going to install on laptop the same add on scenery and afct, have the settings for everything the same and do a check aganist desktop. To double check my statment above.I know these newer cpus are supposed to be quite good, but to give me 2 to 3 x the performance? What do others think about that?ThanksPhil

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Phil,I had the XPS 710 system until Dell offered me the upgrade to the 720H2C. I upgraded and still have all the same hardware/CPU but a newer MB, the 680i SLI vs the 590i in the 710. I have two 8800 GTX's running in SLI config. I got this rig a little after FSX showed up and didn't know FSX was CPU intensive vs GPU. Previous editions had it as GPU intensive so that's why I got TWO (boy was I ever smart... lol). One of the 8800's crashed within 6 months of purchase and Dell replaced it. I don't recall anything showing up on my system that one of my video cards had crashed. I think I accidentally discovered it wasn't working. It gets hot in that case and I was worried to death everything would burn up but I read these new systems can take a lot of heat. The Nvidia GPU's have their own fans and work independently of other system fans. If a fan stops, your system should notify you immediately so you can check out the problem and get it fixed. Even so, it would have to be everything stopping for a long period of time. I rarely hear the fans in my system. It's very quiet even though I have it overclocked via the bios to 3.73GHz. If your video card was damaged via high heat, I doubt it would not be working for programs other than FSX. If the device manager in Vista/XP indicates the GPU is working properly, I wouldn't worry about it. Dell has a diagnostic program which you should run as soon as you feel there's a problem. Newer CPU's will definitely give you better performance in FSX, especially if they can be overclocked. I don't think there's a system out there yet that can run FSX with sliders turned to the max. You're still going to have to turn down or turn off some things. Maybe in 2010, when FS11 is expected a computer system will be able to run FSX with all sliders to the right and all eye-candy turned on. Maybe...Best regards,Jim

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Hi JimYes I like you doubt video card got over heated, In fact with CPU fan running so fast it would of made it less likely.The Dell technican did check everything and your right, other programs would not be working.I've not found that post yet, but I didn't search with Bill's name, so I'll try that.Oh, since you had a XPS 710, I am correct their MB cannot take Express PCI 2 cards?Such as Nvidia latest 9000 series9800 GX2 Video Card - 1GB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDMIOr what Dell has in their latest XPS systemsChoice of Duel or single 9800 GT, 512mbI wonder which one those are, as on Nvidia's site, there is no 9800 GT, GTX, GT2 etc, but no just GTAlso I like the fact that the GX2 has HDMI output, Anyway on a moire interesting point, in my biois settings of the XPS710, under PCI cards, it has VGA listed in slot 4 and then a unkown device in slot 5I have the AGeia Physic card installed, could that be what the Bios cannot reconginise?Thanks in advancePhil

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"Oh, since you had a XPS 710, I am correct their MB cannot take Express PCI 2 cards? Such as Nvidia latest 9000 series"It has two slots for PCI Express cards. I had both of my 8800's installed. But I had the XPS 710H2C and the specs may have been different from the XPS 710. The motherboard on the XPS 710 is a modified Nvidia 590i BTX form factor. So you will want to check to see if the new 9000 series cards work on 590i boards (according to this link, you must have the Vista OS, otherwise it's okay: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/679/1/). The 590i board is almost exactly like the 680i board. The only difference is that the 680i can handle more later CPU's, but not the latest."Or what Dell has in their latest XPS systems. Choice of Duel or single 9800 GT, 512mb. I wonder which one those are, as on Nvidia's site, there is no 9800 GT, GTX, GT2 etc, but no just GT."The 9800GT was just released: http://www.guru3d.com/news/nvidia-launches-geforce-9800-gt/I just reinstalled my Ageia Physics Card and Vista wouldn't recognize it. It wouldn't even show up as an unknown device. I removed it. It doesn't make FSX run any faster and I'm very upset, but it was a bad investment.If you have any problem finding the excellent article regarding OOM's by Bill Leaming on the FSX Forum, let me know. I used OOM as the keyword and had no problem finding it.Best regards,Jim

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Hi JIm,Thanks for info and links,I'll give the a read at the weekend.(the link to the review appears dead)http://www.legitreviews.com/article/679/1Interesting Dell has the just realsed GT, hmm, Dell Australia a month or two back, um, been so busy with work , I think it was two months ago, time goes so fast when your busyThey only had XPS systems with the ATI Radon latest card, I did ask my sales rep and she checked then, they were not sure if they would offer the 9000 series, but I think if what I read a few eeeks ago, Nvidia dropped their prices to match Ati Radon cards.And I guess that explains why DEll now has them, but I guess it could also depend on whom they get the best deals from, it's like them sometimes offerring Nortons or Mc Afee seems to chaange every few months.CheersPhil

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