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Just to up date the previous, I checked the fuel page and missing small fuel tank to tell the panel if it is using the Tinmouse of FFX model. I'm sure it was there before (how many times have you heard that one!) but will check further. Could it be it thinks its using the FFX model?RegardsPaul

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Paul;It sounds like you have the Kittyhawk/FFX aircraft.cfg in the B737-200_TM2 folder. Check the comments at the top of the aircraft.cfg file...they specify which model that file is for.Just double-checked the V1.2 zip and the configs are in the right place in the archive.Recommend you unzip the V1.2 file to a separate directory and copy the correct aircraft.cfg over to your AircraftB737-200_TM2 folder manually.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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Thanks BobPorblem sorted. No Issues with V1.2 only with user!Kind regardsPaul

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I'm sure I'm forgetting to do something. I can't get my flaps down. They start to go to flaps 1 then retract. I'm useing the FFX model. Anybody else having this problem? Everything worked fine in v1.1.Scott

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I too am having the same problem with extending the flaps...everything seems ok... then as soon as they begin to extend they immediately return to full up.I have all generators, hyd pumps everything up and running...The flaps are the only things not working thusfar...Love this plane... please get 'er fixed... I've not flown any sim aircraft as much as I fly this one...she's a beaut!Thanks,Ted Panamarioff - rainy, windy Kodiak Alaska

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Please read the docs that came with v1.2. You cannot use standard FS keys to use the flaps. The instructions are clear about using FSUIPC to setup the flap commands.

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I gather that this means that those of us cheap-o's still using the free version of FSUIPC are going to have to spring for the pay version if we want to assign the flaps to a key. Am I right?John G.

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As I have had the payware version since it came out I cannot say what the freeware version can and cannot do. The Tinmouse readme says only the freeware version of FSUIPC is required. You need to be able assign buttons or keys to specific FSUIPC hexidecimal offsets to operate the flaps.It works fine on my setup :-)

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Moving the flaps can also be done with the mouse by dragging the handle in the pedestal without the FSUIPC button assignment. The registered version of FSUIPC isn't needed in that case.As I posted in the FAQ, however, things are headed towards needing the registered version. There are just too many neat things I can only do through FSUIPC.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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This is exactly the same reason I have leftover bike parts at Christmas. Once I went back and read the instructions the flaps work great. Thanks again for a great panel.Scott

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I just love the ease with which the "pros" sarcastically spew their sardonic advice on these forums...NOt all of us are so called newbies... myself am far from it!I was unaware that such changes were to be made in this version of this awesome 732... still dont see how they're beneficial... but what the heck... I dont call the shotsOh yeah... I too have a registered copy of FSUIPC, always have... Ted Panamarioff - Kodiak Alaska

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I guess the real issue for me is that I am not too fluent in programming the FSUIPC to do the flaps and reverser...Anyone care to share?Regards,Ted Panamarioff - Kodiak, Alaska

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Ted; I did go step-by-step through programming FSUIPC for the throttle locks in the readme, including screenshots of the various windows. Programming FSUIPC buttons for the flaps and spoilers is very much the same--only the parameters and offsets are different. Those changes were indeed necessary to make the systems work as God and Boeing intended. In FS, the flap handle and the flap position are handled together regardless of hydraulic power and other considerations...in a real aircraft, the flap handle doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the flap position. I had to break the linkage in FS for the sake of realism, and to do that I had to find a way to channel the control inputs to a place where I can properly simulate the r/w behavior of the system. Same goes for the spoilers...MSFS implementation of autospoilers is way off. I remember seeing Robert Randazzo of PMDG telling folks that it just couldn't be done with their B737. I've done it, but it also requires that the spoiler inputs be made through the FSUIPC "back door" so I can get to them before MSFS does.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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Hi Bob,first of all thank you very much for your effort for us and I'm sure you are doing the best to do develop this great project.I've a question, what is the reason of change flap commands from FS keys to mouse commands? now time is local 02:27am in Istanbul. I'm was working to set with FSUIPC since 22:30pm local, so it took approximetly 4 hrs but I couldn't do it.I read it several times and tried to make step by step. As you know we don't have co-pilot in here :) and this aircraft "fully analog and manual"!. I'm usign this aircraft since first version years ago but fist time I'm tired while making test flights and sets.Why we can't use F6/F7 like as V1.1?what was the change? As I said I'm believe, you are working hardly and you are boring when you read complaints by amateur users or regular users.best regardshakan737guvenistanbul

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I agree with hakan737guven. I have my flaps and spoiler set to an axis and controlled by levers on my CH Yoke - seemed pretty realistic to me, and I flew Boeing aircraft! Now none of this works. I admire your quest for realism, but could we have an option for conventional flaps and spoilers?Dale

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>I agree with hakan737guven. I have my flaps and spoiler set>to an axis and controlled by levers on my CH Yoke - seemed>pretty realistic to me, and I flew Boeing aircraft! Now none>of this works. I admire your quest for realism, but could we>have an option for conventional flaps and spoilers?All of it works, you just have to get it set up right. The changes forthcoming for systems failures won't permit keeping the default controls.For spoilers, you need to re-map your axis control to PROP 1 instead of spoilers. That can be done in FS or (better) in FSUIPC, since it can be done with aircraft-specific assignments so that FSUIPC automatically uses the assignments anytime the aircraft is loaded (and without affecting other aircraft that use the default axis assignment).Step-by-step to reassign the spoiler handle control in FSUIPC:0. Select FSUIPC from the FS Modules menu.1. Select the "Axis assignment" tab2. Check the "Aircraft specific" checkbox3. Move the lever to be assigned until its number appears in the gray box to the right of Joy#4. Check the "Send to FS as normal axis" radio button5. Check the checkbox to the left of the first blank drop-down box, and select "Axis Propeller1 Set" in the first drop-down box.6. Press "OK" to save.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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>No problem, Bob - I should have bought the pay version of Mr.>Dowson's program a while ago, anyway. Full functionality in>the Tinmouse is worth the price, and I'm looking forward to>see what you come up with next.Might want to hang fire and get the new version of FSUIPC that will support FSX...should be out in 1-2 weeks.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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>Hi Bob,>>first of all thank you very much for your effort for us and>I'm sure you are doing the best to do develop this great>project.>>I've a question, what is the reason of change flap commands>from FS keys to mouse commands? >Why we can't use F6/F7 like as V1.1?what was the change? As I>said I'm believe, you are working hardly and you are boring>when you read complaints by amateur users or regular users.As posted earlier in this thread, the changes are necessary for where I'm heading next, which is realistic system failures.Step by step, to program the F6 button for flaps up:0. Select FSUIPC Drop-down box from FS Modules Menu1. In FSUIPC select "Key Presses" tab2. Check the "Aircraft Specific" checkbox3. Press the "Set" button4. Press F6...F6 should now appear above the Set & Clear buttons in the box5. In the "Control sent when keys pressed" drop-down box, select "Offset Byte Set"6. In the offset box, type "x6D11"7. In the parameter box, type "2"8. Press "Confirm" button and you should see the settings in the gray boxes on the right side of the window.9. Press "OK" to saveNow do the same for F7 key only parameter is 3 instead of 2. Now F6/F7 buttons will work.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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No problem, Bob - I should have bought the pay version of Mr. Dowson's program a while ago, anyway. Full functionality in the Tinmouse is worth the price, and I'm looking forward to see what you come up with next.John G.

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Hi BobI have just downloaded V1.2 and just a few things I noticed, that I think are down to the latest patch.-The nav lights are out of alignment (the same as they were with thee cargo version before it was corected) but this was with all version.-The nose wheel and main gear contact points seem to have changed. The nose and mains appear sunken.That's all to report so far, many thanks for the latest patch. Can't stop have a 737 to fly!RegardsPaul

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Thanks for the tip - I'll keep an eye out for that version. Are you planning on importing the TMII into FSX eventually?

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Hi again Bob,thanks for your instruction about the change of command buttons in FSUIPC. Sorry for my english mistakes in middle of night. I'll forward your instruction to Turkish 737-200ADV users in Turkish virtual aviation forum.Thanks again for your interest. Meanwhile, there is a problem on spoillers functions still. sometimes opening full, sometimes opening only flight detend position. I tried two figure while landing tests, firs one with speed breaks arm warning lamp press second one, with mouse to get arm position the lever. In both of them, I receive a lever slide sound and checking lever full open on throttle panel but it seen doesn't open in spotview check. Maybe it is special for me.best regardsHakan737Guvenistanbul

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> I'll forward your instruction to Turkish 737-200ADV>users in Turkish virtual aviation forum.>Thanks>Thanks again for your interest. Meanwhile, there is a problem>on spoillers functions still. sometimes opening full,>sometimes opening only flight detend position. I tried two>figure while landing tests, firs one with speed breaks arm>warning lamp press second one, with mouse to get arm position>the lever. In both of them, I receive a lever slide sound and>checking lever full open on throttle panel but it seen doesn't>open in spotview check. Maybe it is special for me.No, for some reason the ground spoilers will not deploy if you're watching the landing in spot view. It's been that way from the beginning with this model...might have to do with how the animation is done with wingfold, or perhaps the gauge is being suspended by FS in that view. But at this point I don't have a clue as to what I can do about it.If you're hearing the spoiler lever actuator, then the panel is trying to deploy the gnd spoilers. RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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Thanks Bob,So, if the spoilers can be set to the prop 1 axis, what axis is now used for the flaps?Dale

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>Thanks Bob,>>So, if the spoilers can be set to the prop 1 axis, what axis>is now used for the flaps?>>DaleDale; Flaps are not controllable directly via an axis in V1.2--it's butonn/key control or mouse drag of the flap handle in the pedestal view. However, you could try using the FSUIPC axis assignments menu to have FSUIPC send a flap control (offset x6D11 param 2 (up) or 3(dn) ) based on entry into a defined region along the analog axis range. Frankly, control of flaps with an analog lever is not something I considered in the design. I'll take another look to see how best to incorporate that sort of control input.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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