Phew, you guys are hitting them hard. I kinda feel sorry for them; it must be very difficult to implement all those features.I wish some of you could bully Microsoft into fixing or making a decent flight simulator tho :)

Good lord.Dispute the charge with your credit card company.But suing a company over an addon? THINK this through people.Are we REALLY ready to force developers to start carying litigation insurance to fend off highly picky people that sue at the drop of a hat? WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT INSURANCE???!?! That's right the CONSUMER in the form of HIGHER COST FOR THE PRODUCTS!Gone will be the days of $50 add-ons and hello to the days where we're spending $100+ for even low quality add-ons.When you have a resource to get your money back TAKE IT. Don't screw the rest of the entire community just because you're greedy and feel like enacting vengance.

>Then the money started rolling in again.>>Then the patches were "forgotten" by CaptainSim.>>Then the people who remind CaptainSim about those promised>patches were purged from their forums.>My Captain Sim C-130 is well worth what I paid for it! :-hah

> And no>more bs about getting a multi million dollar sim for $50,>pmdg, level d, dreamfleet, and hopefully airxp can do it right>for that price, so stop the bs.INFLATION! Perhaps Level D, PMDG, Dreamfleet, Airliners XP, will have to charge $75, $100, or perhaps $120 this time around. Fifty bucks "ain't" what it was a year or two ago. All by itself, my house increased it's value by $120,000 in those two measly years!As an uninterested observer, this thread has still gotten quite pathetic! :-lol*HINT* --- next time, don't spend your $50 up front. Wait a few days and see if others report that the addon in question has that multi-million dollar "fidelity" of exactness, that so many here seem to crave! :7L.Adamson

I'm loving it - Haven't see this much angst since the last time I went to a production of Hamlet!DJ

>I'm loving it - Haven't see this much angst since the last>time I went to a production of Hamlet!"There is something rotten in the State of Flightsimming."

"The simmer doth protest too much, methinks."--

"Alas poor Wilco, I knew him well!!!"

And so 'good night, sweet prince, good night!' At least we hope so, 'cause this has been beaten unto death.DJ

>Good lord.>>Dispute the charge with your credit card company.>>But suing a company over an addon? THINK this through people.>>Are we REALLY ready to force developers to start carying>litigation insurance to fend off highly picky people that sue>at the drop of a hat? WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PAY FOR>THAT INSURANCE???!?! That's right the CONSUMER in the form of>HIGHER COST FOR THE PRODUCTS!>>Gone will be the days of $50 add-ons and hello to the days>where we're spending $100+ for even low quality add-ons.>>When you have a resource to get your money back TAKE IT. Don't>screw the rest of the entire community just because you're>greedy and feel like enacting vengance.It's called deterence. The same principle we apply to criminals. It sends a message: don't screw with the consumer. If you take a buyers money you better give them the promised service/product.

>I have instructed the Brussels office of my organisation to>start inquiries as to the feasibility of legal proceedings>against WILCO and/or SIMWARE SIMULATIONS. We are also talking>to the Direction Contr

This topic needs to be locked.Taking up too much room on the primary forum page.

"It's called deterence. The same principle we apply to criminals. It sends a message: don't screw with the consumer. If you take a buyers money you better give them the promised service/product."In the arena of simulation who defines what "screwing with the consumer" is? Do you think someone at Feelthere sat down one day and said "let's see if I can dupe the community into buying this one?" I don't think that was their mindset.If litigation is the future of this hobby there will be no more hobby. We're not talking about a firm that stole thousands of dollars and vanished. We're talking about expectations not being met and the consumer community (some) not cutting the vendor any slack. Litigation and the threat of litigation is getting out of hand. And 99 percent of the time it is an idle threat by a member here trying to show off or establish bona fides with one part of the community or another. The best way to deter a vendor from releasing an incomplete product is to vote with your voice and your wallet. Litigation takes years and huge sums from both sides. And there are worse consumer infractions that the courts need to pursue right now, such as faulty fuel systems on cars that burn people to death, or spoiled food that kills someone, or mission critical software that loses or leaves exposed sensitive data for a customer. A $50.00 entertainment title isn't going to get a lot of people to care. And as someone pointed out, using litigation to "deter" a vendor into the perfect piece of software will raise the price of what is essentially still a game in the eyes of the software world to hundreds or thousands of dollars.-John

Sorry for the misunderstanding with our American friends, there was never any question of a private lawsuit against them. Law in the rest of the world works a bit different, but I wasn't very clear I admit. I have spoken with the Belgian authorities as mentioned above. Here is the gist of things: a) Any claim of fraudulent advertisement will be taken seriously:( The company in question is already known from previous complaintsc) They don't accept "class action" style collections of complaints, but invite anyone to send in a complaint. The correct communication path is on their website (see above). I will send a formal complaint letter with documentation in French. Only French and Dutch complaints will be filed in their own right, you can however write in English, French or Dutch. Please use the subject "COMPLAINT AGAINST WILCO/SIMWARE SIMULATIONS / FRAUDULENT INTERNET ADVERTISMENT". If you write to them, bear in mind, this IS NOT ABOUT which features are (not)/should be/could be implemented, or what you think of wish the Airbus model should look like. This is not about how much you paid and what you got or it. This is ONLY about Wilco's CLAIMS as stated on the website vs. the actual product, many people seem to misunderstand the whole point of this. Wilco is very welcome to sell an unfinished product, but they can't advertise it as a "perfect simulation".

Great post, Andreas. Could've been written by myself, I couldn't agree more.Wake up, people!Tero