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Mail sent to me about the A320 bugs: ---> ( My comments in parentheses )------------------------------------1) Altitude alert is trigged whe you have ALT* on FMA.->True, what's wrong with this?--->(Nothing! But the real bus not horns when everything is ok on the altitude capture phase lol!)2) NO Sids/Stars->Wrong. The SID/STARs exist. The feelThere database is not 100% complete soyou may not see the SID/STAR information for airports that have some (likeParis Orly LFPO for example), but the SID/STAR are managed when they exist.--->(INCOMPLETE SOFTWARE. No advises no the Wilco

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dude whats with the incomplete crap? it wasnt implemented, it will not have it!my god...some of you whine more then a jet engine!INCOMPLETE SOFTWARE. No advises no the Wilco

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Lets see what they say about inability to save the flight with FMC Data (their words). Clearly stated as a feature on their product page, and the manual says it is not available at all.Really hope that gets addressed - to me a critical feature.Joe Lorenc

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No ... dear friend...But read this...extracted from www.wilcopub.com :"Simulation tested and validated by active Airbus Captain and instructor.Complete simulation : FMGC, MCDU, IRS, Fadec, ..."I

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WILCO DIDN'T DESIGN AND/OR BUILD THE A320 SERIES, THIS IS A FEELTHERE PROJECT EXCLUSIVELY. IT'S UNFORTUNATE EVERYONE HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO WILCO FOR SUPPORT OVER THE WEEKEND.FACT IS WILCO KNOWS VERY LITTLE IF ANYTHING ABOUT HOW A REAL AIRBUS WORKS MUCH LESS ABLE TO GIVE SOLID SUPPORT ON THE SUBJECT. THEY JUST PUSH FLIGHTSIM RELATED PRODUCTS DEVELOPED BY OTHER DEVELOPMENT GROUPS. PLEASE STOP TAKING THESE COMMENTS AS GOSPEL ON A PRODUCT THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BESIDES RELEASE IT BEFORE IT WAS FULLY READY...

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That's just how things went... Feelthere unfortunately let's Wilco distribute their products. They need to move to Flight1 or Simmarket. Just the same do you think Simmarket could offer credible support for everything they sell, 'NO'. Every product is supported by the said developer shipping through Simmarket. Since Wilco jumped the gun Feelthere gave them the ropes until they (Feelthere) got a chance to play catch up. Official support will begin tomorrow. You'll need to go on FeelThere's official forums and submit all the bugs you've found. I wouldn't waist my time with Wilco at this point...

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>>what was it supposed to advise you of? that it wasnt implemented? then we should all #### at LD, and pmdg because they never mention that the 'door lock' feature was not implemented!<<?>>There was someone here (I think it was you actually, can't remember) that is supposedly an airbus pilot... well if you are, then maybe you should let them know and show some proof and help them make it better...<>oh look! the whaaambulance is here!<

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What I find interesting about the above argument is that in one breath we are told not to blame Wilco because they only publish the product, and in the next breath were told that Feelthere, the developer, needs to get away from their publisher.Tom

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Who said don't blame Wilco??? :-hmmm I just said you can't count on them to know what their talking about concerning the FeelThere A320...

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That reply may be signed by Wilco, but the way the answers are worded, it can't have come from anyone other than Eric Marciano. Lead FeelThere A32X developer."...the low frame rate in FSX is not because of my gauges..."etc...That being the case, what will change tomorrow ?

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Hmmm...You may have a point here.I didn't read all the responses above. Just the same Feelthere will have their support up later today. All I can say is I hope things will change (answer/solution wise)... :-hmmm

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I hope so, but...With all the "True, not implemented. This is not considered as a bug. The documentation never mentioned this feature was implemented." comments, coming from "the man behind the code", so to speak, I really don't hold out much hope for improvement.I'm not trying to poke at you or FT Dillon, only commenting as a consumer who's trying to take a look before he leaps.

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I would like to commend you for taking the time to point out all the errors and shortcomings of the Feelthere/Wilco model. There are too many "realistic" models out there. And you are absolutely right, it's fraudulent advertisement. The answer "This is not considered as a bug. The documentationnever mentioned this feature was implemented" makes this clear. If that feature is part of a real Airbus, then it should be modeled. What the documentation says or says not is irrelevant, the OP's beef is with the ADVERTISEMENT. And the advertisement is misleading. There is enough here for legal action or at least a complaint to the consumer authority in the developer's country.

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>WILCO DIDN'T DESIGN AND/OR BUILD THE A320 SERIES, THIS IS A>FEELTHERE PROJECT EXCLUSIVELY. IT'S UNFORTUNATE EVERYONE HAS>BEEN DIRECTED TO WILCO FOR SUPPORT OVER THE WEEKEND.>>FACT IS WILCO KNOWS VERY LITTLE IF ANYTHING ABOUT HOW A REAL>AIRBUS WORKS MUCH LESS ABLE TO GIVE SOLID SUPPORT ON THE>SUBJECT. THEY JUST PUSH FLIGHTSIM RELATED PRODUCTS DEVELOPED>BY OTHER DEVELOPMENT GROUPS. >>PLEASE STOP TAKING THESE COMMENTS AS GOSPEL ON A PRODUCT THEY>HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BESIDES RELEASE IT BEFORE IT WAS FULLY>READY...>>yes sure, 99% of wilco's products are feelthere made. do you really buy this, and in all caps to boot? wilco = feelthere.

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So, what the heck makes this 'bus soooooo much superior to PSS's?!?!Agreed, the PSS product is old, and anything new would be an advance I guess. But no ND symbol for the vertical profile intercept point (even the old Aviograsf bus has this!), no ADF2, no possibility to set constraints on FPLN page, no overspeed protection etc. etc.?!?! Come on, the list of not implemented items is sheer endless! And many items haven't been discussed yet, so how much is missing in addition to what's public now?Sorry folks, an absolute "no go" for me. A highly incomplete thing, not the kind of Airbus I want, so may others be happy with it.Andreas

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>Mail sent to me about the A320 bugs:> >---> ( My comments in parentheses )>2) NO Sids/Stars>->Wrong. The SID/STARs exist. The feelThere database is not>100% complete so>you may not see the SID/STAR information for airports that>have some (like>Paris Orly LFPO for example), but the SID/STAR are managed>when they exist.>--->(INCOMPLETE SOFTWARE. No advises no the Wilco

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Quote from website:------------------------------------* Simulation tested and validated by active Airbus Captain and instructor.* Complete simulation : FMGC, MCDU, IRS, Fadec, ...------------------------------------A "complete simulation" was advertised. Rodrigo's complaints seem to be valid! :)

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When I first read your post, I said to myself I would never reply, but this is too much. You know what? If you don't like the product, don't buy it, and that's it...This product took almost 2 years in development. It may not be perfect, but the Airbus aircrafts are very complex to model in FS. Anyway, at this time, it is the only Airbus product that is close to the real thing, whatever you say. If you prefer to wait for the Airliner XP product, feel free to do so, God only knows when it will be released.BUT... You must respect the work that was done by feelThere for this product. You have the right not to respect Wilco, but your post shows you don't respect anyone.Don't waste your time answering my post, I will never read this forum again.

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I don't believe for even a microsecond that any "real world A320 pilots" tested or validated this product. It is stated repeatedly that the "FCOM doesn't refer to that". True, the FCOM may not refer to everything so that's where a "real world A320 Pilot" would come in and fill in the blanks. Originally the OP is either a real A320 pilot or spends way too much time studying the A320, but in any respect, obviously a real A320 pilot can detect numerous ommissions. Feethere would have done well to not put claims in their product about "complete simulations" and "tested by pilots" because they look absolutely assinine with so many inaccuracies.Now, with that said, none of those are "bugs" perse, they simply are inaccuracies in a product that claims that it is a "complete simualation". The product has a LOT OF BUGS and Feelthere needs to focus on that first. In the same token it has a lot of ommissions and the product is in no way deserving of the legacy of the PIC name....unless PIC stands for "Product Is Crap".Feelthere has a LOT of work ahead of them to redeem themselves after this disaster of a release.

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>Quote from website:>>------------------------------------>* Simulation tested and validated by active Airbus Captain and>instructor.>>* Complete simulation : FMGC, MCDU, IRS, Fadec, ...>------------------------------------>>A "complete simulation" was advertised. Rodrigo's complaints>seem to be valid! :)>>Nothing more that word picking.

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LOL!!!! "Nothing more that(n) word picking"..Yup, I would imagine that it would be wordpicking if your local restaurant was selling "100% beef hamburgers" and you bought one and you took a bite to find that it was made of "100% eel". Sure, you'd be okay with that? After all, truth in advertising is just a concept obviously having no nessecity to be truthful :-)

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