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I was just perusing the Jeppesen site, and stumbled across their SimCharts page. Was really surprised to find they have rather significantly changed their marketing strategy from their old policy of selling regions separately and only for a 1-year subscription.Their site now advertises lifetime worldwide online access to their SID/STAR/approach charts for a one-time fee of US $42. That looks pretty reasonable to me.Anyone using this service yet? Is there a catch?http://www.jeppesen.com/simchartsRegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Great find.Those ordering, please let us know what you think.$42 is more than worth it to not have to play ChartHunt! before many flights.

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Thank you for drawing this to our attention. I no longer fly realworld so the (outdated) SimChart CDs still work for me -- I have ten of them. [/font size]List available upon requestSee also: Maptech] MapServer Maptech's free online resource for previewing Topographic Maps, Nautical Charts, Coastal Aerial Photos and Aeronautical Charts[/b.Maptech also publishes IAPs in PDF format and I own these on CD. It's unlikely I will run out of charts or plates any time soon.=========

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Well, the new SimCharts doesn't work with FS9, but if I make the transition to FSX, it will be a sure buy.I love SimCharts (for FS9) and use it all the time; it's great to be able to look up approach charts, etc. on the fly AND be assured that they match their counterparts in the sim. PLUS I get to see a 'track' of my flight overlaid on the charts. AND if I really want to print ANY of the charts out, SimCharts lets me do this quickly and easily. Absolute no-brainer for solo-flying, though not absolutely useful for VATSIM/IVAO flying due to the info being dated.Anyway, I'm anxious to hear from former SimCharts users who purchase the new version and whether it's equal or greater in features. Apparently Jeppesen wasn't selling much of the FSX version so they changed their "1-year" access pass to a "lifetime" pass.

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Personally I find the Navigraph chart service suits my purpose as I can get the charts I need for the areas of the world I fly in - usually Europe, Africa and the USA. The airports and regional charts are updated regularlyJohn

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Anyone who as purchaed it, does it make available charts for closed airports... Kai Tak (the ol VHHH or now VHHX) in particular?thxClutchProject 9Dragons

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>Personally I find the Navigraph chart service suits my>purpose as I can get the charts I need for the areas of the>world I fly in - usually Europe, Africa and the USA. The>airports and regional charts are updated regularlyIt's an option if you want to fly to a place Navigraph covers. They don't have a single approach plate for Chile (and many other places), unfortunately.Plus, you only get a one-time download of a particular airfield from NaviGraph. If you want to update the charts later, it costs you more credits.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Navigraph seems good, but to be quite honest, I'm not interested as much in regular updates as I am with overall completeness. *Personal Opinion Alert !*I honestly feel that this need to update with every cycle actually does more harm than good. We're in a situation now where navdata and procedure files are so out of sync, I wonder what's the point ?

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Just got the new SimCharts 4.0 fired up here.The charts are dated (2003-2005 vintage), probably based on the same dataset used to build the FSX scenery bgls. No idea if there will be any updates, but suspect not.No Kai-Tek...has the current VHHH airport.I'll still be using the current charts from the FAA NACO site for US flying, but the jepp charts have some things the FAA data doesn't have, like gate charts. And in those places where the airports haven't changed too much, the color Jepps are nicer than the B&W FAA plates. For international flying it provides coverage I don't otherwise have.The integrated chart viewer only works with FSX, but there is also a standalone viewer that can be launched without running FSX.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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So it could be run then on a separate PC for viewing ?Thanks for taking a look :)

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I'm going to look into it a bit more but if it works on my second computer I'm getting it. I don't even want to be up to date if FS9 isn't. I'm always looking for terminal charts, I'm not organized enough and I spend more time looking than flying then they don't agree with FS9 anyway. I still haven't found a set of VFR sectionals for North America, anyone have a good source.

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That's exactly the way I feel. Only my opinion of course, but it seems that the online flying community is what drives this incessant update cycle, and as such, things are never quite in sync.I personally wish VATSIM, IVAO, etc would just standardize a bit, pick a cycle, preferably one that matches as closely as possible a stock FS install, and stick with it. So much more could get done by people individually writing procedures, etc, if they didn't have to worry about updating/checking them every 4 weeks.Not to mention, it seems that when an AIRAC is released, by the time all corrections, etc are made, it's time to release the next...and on it goes.

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preferably one that matches as closely as possible a stock FS install, and stick with it. Can't see that happening since FS9's cycle is so out of date.

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Just curious, but how much more current do you think the FSX data is ? I can guarantee you it's not from 2007 !It's the idea that things must always be current that will prevent things from EVER being synchronized, IMHO. Are you going around making all the changes to the sim itself to reflect changes ? I'm certainly not !Is it really more important to be synchronized with the real world than with the sim you're actually flying in ? If so, I guess I just don't get it.

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>Just got the new SimCharts 4.0 fired up here.>>The charts are dated (2003-2005 vintage), probably based on>the same dataset used to build the FSX scenery bgls. No idea>if there will be any updates, but suspect not.>Hi,Where and how did you get access?I received my order confirmation a few hours ago, but that's all.I'm very disappointed though to hear they are outdated.What's the meaning of a 'life time' subscription (suggesting up-to-date charts) when they are always a few years out of date ;( I better could have waited a couple of days before ordering.

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I checked the site and nowhere does it even imply anything about the date of the charts. Anyway "life-time subscription" means what it says - you pay a fixed amount and can go back to the site as often as you want to download. In my mind it doesn't imply anything about updating.Anyway, did anyone really believe that up-to-date charts would be offered for a lifetime at that price? Jeppesen makes real money by selling up-to-date charts to professional users. It's not going to damage that market.

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>I checked the site and nowhere does it even imply anything>about the date of the charts. Anyway "life-time subscription">means what it says - you pay a fixed amount and can go back to>the site as often as you want to download. In my mind it>doesn't imply anything about updating.>>Anyway, did anyone really believe that up-to-date charts would>be offered for a lifetime at that price? Jeppesen makes real>money by selling up-to-date charts to professional users. It's>not going to damage that market.Well, maybe it was wishfull thinking of me. It sounded indeed too good to be true.Nevertheless the Simcharts do not have all info of the real ones, so they can't be used for real flight anyway.EDIT:It would have been nice though, if they printed in capitals that the Simcharts are out of date. Now it is rather confusing

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"Is it really more important to be synchronized with the real world than with the sim you're actually flying in ?" I guess that depends on how far you want to get into simming.For example, I still to this day hear people coming into KMIA with the old runways 09R/L 08 markings. But they have been changed for years. Are you saying that we shouldn't reflect this in the Sim?You're trying to compare the online community to the offline.I don't think there is a middle ground here. And if you're so opposed to being current, why did you purchase FSX? I myself love the fact of simming the Real world as close as I can.But that's just me. To each there own.

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Clarke,"I guess that depends on how far you want to get into simming."I don't really buy that, and would really be interested to discuss how the version number of the procedure used is more important than how the procedure is flown. Do you really base overall realism on whether or not you can fly the RMG3 or ERLIN2 arrivals into KATL ? Really ?"For example, I still to this day hear people coming into KMIA with the old runways 09R/L 08 markings. But they have been changed for years. Are you saying that we shouldn't reflect this in the Sim?"That's a perfect illustration of the point I'm trying to make. There is no standard. People are flying around with a hodge-podge of navdata, procedures, and AFCADs/sceneries that are far too often out of sync with one-another, all in the name of staying current. How is that better ?Further, by narrowing the focus a bit, instead of trying, and failing, to maintain a month for month parity with real world cycles, we could instead focus on exceptions such as runway re-numberings, new runways, VTBD being dropped for VTBS, etc."You're trying to compare the online community to the offline. I don't think there is a middle ground here."That may be true, but, this is one area where the decisions of the online community impact the offline community to a certain degree, IMHO. "And if you're so opposed to being current, why did you purchase FSX? "I haven't :), but even if I had, FSX is not down with 0704 :)"I myself love the fact of simming the Real world as close as I can."I certainly don't begrudge you that, I just personally do not understand how the AIRAC you use is that overly important to that end.Look, if we as a community had the resources to do it right, consistently, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, but the fact is, we don't seem to have those things. Even paying for the service doesn't seem to have done much to get things squared (that's no slight to Richard Stefan, I'm sure he's doing his best).As it stands, it's just my opinion that it adds a level of unnecessary complication for no real apparent benefit, and creates a lot more work that just doesn't ever seem to get done before it's time to do it all over again.EDIT: Just to say that if Jepp were to somehow partner with Richard to provide a compatibilty AIRAC per FS version to go along with the charts, hitting the purchase button would be the last thought I'd ever give to any of it.

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If you want good hi-res .gif files of all the US sectionals, you can also buy the DVDs from the FAA's NACO site...dirt cheap at ~$12.60 each postpaid (there's an Eastern US, Western US, and Alaska DVD for sectionals).RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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...or you can skip buying anything and go to SkyVector.com and look at the terminal charts for free. ;-)

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