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FS2004 is still the main flight simulator?

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We have an unprecedented situation. The latest flight simulator has been out for nearly eight months, and yet the majority of new files in the library are for FS2004. Some people are bound to say, "these addons work in FSX as well", but that is overlooking something very significant. In the past, freeware authors associated their uploads with the latest version, whenever compatibility allowed them to. This isn't happening with FSX!How many new files were labelled "FS2002", eight months after FS9's release? Virtually none. Previous versions of FS have never been like this - not even FS2000. Less than 25% of today's uploads are for FSX ... how much longer will this go on?

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Hi,As far as I'm concerned, if MS continues to push FS in the directions they did with FSX (multiplayer, activation, frame rate hog, action/adventure/racing, more "game play", more visual tricks with the result of poor scenery back-compatibility, etc.) and not in the directions I'm interested in (better ATC, better AI aircraft, better flight model, automated checklists, reliable flight log, better navigation tools, better flight planner, etc.) FS9 is the last MSFS I will ever use intensively. Will I buy FSXI? Maybe. Will I use it a lot? Unlikely.I've released several files here for FS9 since FSX was released, and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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That about sums it up. Frankly, these topics are getting kinda old. Let's just enjoy FS9. ;-)

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>Hi,>>As far as I'm concerned, if MS continues to push FS in the>directions they did with FSX (multiplayer, activation, frame>rate hog, action/adventure/racing, more "game play", more>visual tricks with the result of poor scenery>back-compatibility, etc.) and not in the directions I'm>interested in (better ATC, better AI aircraft, better flight>model, automated checklists, reliable flight log, better>navigation tools, better flight planner, etc.) FS9 is the last>MSFS I will ever use intensively. Will I buy FSXI? Maybe. >Will I use it a lot? Unlikely.>I got better visuals and better flight models with FSX at a cost of frame rates, depending on slider selection. Was it worth it...........yep! I don't consider the improvements as a "visual trick" at all!Other than that, yes this type of topic does get old, and yes, I still use FS9 to keep different options open.L.Adamson

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HelloLen it took you till the fourth post to jump to the defence of FSXyour getting slow man. :-)

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:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol:-lolCaught ya, didn't he, Larry!!:-wave

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I would like to see some real solid numbers from developers where things have been and are going. Where the $ are being spent would really give some insight as to what version is really being used. Developers would be the best source for that information but I don't think too many would want to ruffle Microsoft's feathers beyond speaking in generalization. I suspect overall sales figures are probably available from Microsoft's financial statements which are quickly available as they are a public company and somewhere out there is an investment firm that is collecting and tracking these kinds of numbers.Even at that, sales of FSX wouldn't necessarily reflect usage figures as almost everyone bought it initially that don't use it now and there are always newcomers to the scene that would by FSX by default. I've steered a couple newbies away from buying FSX for the simple reason they don't even have a good FS9 computer.

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>Caught ya, didn't he, Larry!!>You'd all feel bad, as if somethings missing for the day, if I kept my fingers from typing......wouldn't you? :-hah Sincerely & with the up most regards,L.Adamson

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"up most regards" eh? :-)Actually, I'm quite in locked step with you, Larry: since SP1 I am spending more and more time with X: have got SceneryTech's LC - pretty good: FSG mesh: tried ASX (and sent it back)(for a while): have a number of aircraft loaded now, but fly mostly the Shockwave Mk1 or their 109. I miss the DF727: unlike you - I DO use full autogen, getting between 20 and 50 frames with good cloud cover and high detail. TrackIR is still fantastic, and I would like to get the Matrox TH2Go system! "Puleeeez, honey - I jus' gotta have it!!!"

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>Hi,>>As far as I'm concerned, if MS continues to push FS in the>directions they did with FSX (multiplayer, activation, frame>rate hog, action/adventure/racing, more "game play", more>visual tricks with the result of poor scenery>back-compatibility, etc.) and not in the directions I'm>interested in (better ATC, better AI aircraft, better flight>model, automated checklists, reliable flight log, better>navigation tools, better flight planner, etc.) FS9 is the last>MSFS I will ever use intensively. Will I buy FSXI? Maybe. >Will I use it a lot? Unlikely.>>I've released several files here for FS9 since FSX was>released, and will continue to do so for the forseeable>future.>>-->Tom Gibson>>Cal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.com>>Freeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.com>>Drop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___You read my mind word for word I agree with you 100%.

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I love FSX right now. Granted, I just got a new machine but still it's great. I have FS Genesis Mesh, ASX, new landclass and of course with SP1 it looks awesome. And with FEX and GEX around the corner, it will get even better. Not to mention the LDS 767, PMDG 747 and MD-11 etc etc. It can only get better.

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Just goes to show how many more 'issues' attend fsx :-lolJust kidding - popped into my head and I could not resist. You're right of course - let's indeed just enjoy one or both and understand that FSX is just a steeper sideways/upward curve than ever before. There's years of stuff ahead.regards,Markhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/a320/custbanner2.jpgPC Power Silencer 470/3.2HT/2048mb/ATI X1950pro/SB Audigy

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Do FS9ers go to FSX forums and tell all how great FS9 is?And why do FSuXs come here to defend, isnt this a FS9 forum?Yes this is a dead issue. Lets just flightsim, FSX or FS9.

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For me, it's simple: I have both FS9 and FSX on my computer. When I can get FSX to give me the same (or better) framerate with settings that give me as good (or better) a virtual experience as FS9, then it will be time to shift. And I suspect that will be at least another CPU and memory upgrade from what I have now. For the moment, FSX is giving me about 1/2 to 2/3 the framerate as FS9 with settings that give a less believable experience. So, for me, the choice is clear. It may well change in a year, or even a few months -- but, for now, I'm sticking with FS9.

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I'm surprised nobody has brought up Photorealistic Chile yet.Hmmm... even that is getting old. :D

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>Number of posts fs9 forum last month-327> fsx forum last month-879>>Do we really need to declare one or the other sim a "winner">or the "main" sim based on some type of numerical statistic?>>It isn't a competition-enjoy the sim of your choice! :-)>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg That is due to TileProxy only. TileProxy is to the FSX forum what all that Chile scenery is to the FSX library...not a true barometer.

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Hi,FSX works fine for you, a GA flyer. Try using it (even post SP1) at a very large addon airport with 100% AI and 100% autogen with the frame rate staying above 30 (AI aircraft movement, especially if close to you, is jerky any lower, even in FSX) on a computer costing less than $1700. Until then, FS9 is my choice.The comment about a "better flight model" is not what I meant. You are talking about the response of the aircraft to the atmosphere (i.e. "feels more real"). FSX uses the same flight model as FS9. They might have better modeled the response of that flight model to the atmosphere, but they have not improved the capabilities of the flight model itself (various types of turboprops handled correctly, prop dynamics corrected, prop reverse in the piston flight model, etc.).Heck they didn't even fix the problem that changing the engine RPM does not change the pitch of the engine sound, increasing the throttle does (with no RPM change)! Yet we have blah blah shaders and wait! how about the new Adrenaline pack! Give me a break.--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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I have seen several threads here and elsewhere from pro-FSX people announcing that FS9 is dead after the SP1 patch. I don't feel this way myself, and look on this thread as a way of supporting FS9 and supporting developers continuing to create products for FS9. I believe that some people staying with FS9 might feel abandoned, and this post (among others) hopes to alleviate that.--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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