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Has anyone hear/read/seen anything from the Airliner XP folks. I visited thier site and only found new pics from February 07.I re-read their "Glossy Brochure" web page and feel that after 3 or 4 years of development it should be about ready. Just curious.Scott

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We're here, alive and well, but do not expect a lot of screen shots /visual updates.Needless to say, we're not the only ones doing an Airbus, and as such we have other things to consider in this regard. ;)Sadly, we are delayed in release, due to some very serious health issues and other personal issues suffered over the last several months. Nothing we could plan for, yet we have to deal with it.Otherwise, things are back on track, and we are doing all we can to get this baby out the door. :)Regards, Lou Bettihttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/AXP/AXPforum...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

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Lou,May I thank you for a very informative reply. Thanks also for explaining why we are still waiting.As regards the personnal issues, have been going for more than several months and I fear that that particular issue will not be resolved?Lou, maybe a nice Xmas present for us all this year eh? ;-)

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christmas?i want it while the sun is still shining outside; after all the announcements like "the exteriour is the easiest part and we will post some shots soon"not to forget that most of the europeans are still unable to access the AXP site and noone gives a ####!what comes next? "we're sorry but due to the needed extra work, the FS9 version has been cancelled"lou..with all due respect, i loved your 737, and i think its UNBEATEN by any other addon (i posted a thread about my thoughts in the DF forum a few months ago); and i always believed in Dreamfleet and its high quality standarts, but your new project (the first "real" jetliner after 7 years!) starts to ruin your image in my eyes!!

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>christmas?>i want it while the sun is still shining outside; after all>the announcements like "the exteriour is the easiest part and>we will post some shots soon">>not to forget that most of the europeans are still unable to>access the AXP site and noone gives a ####!>>what comes next? "we're sorry but due to the needed extra>work, the FS9 version has been cancelled">>lou..>with all due respect, i loved your 737, and i think its>UNBEATEN by any other addon (i posted a thread about my>thoughts in the DF forum a few months ago); and i always>believed in Dreamfleet and its high quality standarts, but>your new project (the first "real" jetliner after 7 years!)>starts to ruin your image in my eyes!!This has to be one of the rudest comments I've seen in some time. The site is accessible for Europeans. To say they don't care is pathetic at best. They made an announcement that they ran into SERIOUS problems ( unavoidable ones like sicknesses and such that lasted over a MONTH ) and a few other issues and this is the thanks they get... an like yourself spewing forth garbage like this.I, for one, hope that you miss out on the masterpiece that this project will unveil.You, sir, are unbelievable.

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rude?you,sir, accessing the site, does NOT mean that "the rest of the world" can access it too

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>rude?>>you,sir, accessing the site, does NOT mean that "the rest of>the world" can access it tooYes. Perhaps a very small subset ( certain ISP? ) is having an issue.I know MANY Europeans that I've personally POINTED the site out to, just to show them the Airbus that's coming out in the near future. No issues on their end.So you're saying for a very very small minority they should uproot the entire site to another hosting service ( not a minor shift mind you, databases have to be copied over ) and possibly pay MORE per month for their end.I'm not so sure it's up to the AirlinerXP team to fix this one but their host ( or maybe somewhere between... it could be YOUR host that is causing the issue ).Whether the problem is as widespread as you think or not ( and as I've said, I know many Europeans that have successfully visited the site ), you still came across as extremely rude. Especially when you say it's damaging Lou's reputation to team with the other two individuals on the team.

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i had a good oppinion and the delay (which does not happen for the first time) damaged it, and you call this "rude"?sir re-read my post "please"

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>This has to be one of the rudest comments I've seen in some>time. Oft times, some people interpret reality as rudeness. :|>I, for one, hope that you miss out on the masterpiece that>this project will unveil.Just out of curiosity.... Have you actually *flown* this masterpiece?

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JTEK99 the point is "we" don't have to expect anything from ANY developer as long as they don't show us screenshots or announce features (etc.)however, if someone show's us screenshots and says "the fps will be at the same level of the default cessna", "this will revolutionize fs" i don't have to believe it but i expect it to be real, since that's what has been announcednow i'm really looking forward to the end product, bugs won't be a problem for me, there is no software that can be totally bug free, but i expect a perfect/1to1 exteriour (its the easiest part), a framerate friendly VC (same performance as the default cessna), the best available fly-by-wire simulation (this will revolutionize fs) and a release before santa comes (beta tests will start soon)sincerely,

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Portland was only a year late, I'm sure this airbus will be to. I just hope it comes out before FS11.

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>Portland was only a year late, I'm sure this airbus will be>to. I just hope it comes out before FS11. As far as I heard, "Some personal issues" have pretty much completely decommissioned one of the key developers these days. When will that be resolved? I wonder even if he himself knows the answer. So is life IMO, not anyone's fault...except for the fact that AXP team has blown up a pretty huge bubble pretty quickly. So big and so beautiful it might as well be THE revolutionary FS monument. Question is...now what? Jason

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"As far as I heard, "Some personal issues" have pretty much completely decommissioned one of the key developers these days."I am not understanding this. I thought this was behind them already?? There is nothing I have seen on the website forums to indicate that one of the members is still out of service. So , I would assume now that they are moving forward to complete the product. I know that sales are important, but I think if it was that bad where they felt completion was way off, they would have made another announcment by now. I still have faith that they will get this out the door soon. Fingers crossed :)

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I hope that information is wrong...but have we seen any post by the developer in the past 3 months or so, both in AXP and his own forums? From what I heard last week he has "disappeared" from MSN as well, which he had always used to keep in touch with friends and testers. After all most of us can only speculate. I hope he'll settle things on good terms soon and come back to the project.

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I certainly hope this is not the case. I know who you are talking about too, as I have seen nothing in his forums either. Man, what a horrible feeling I just got. I don't know what to think. His talent is far beyond anything I have seen. However, being a long time customer of Dreamfleet, and seeing how Lou handles his business, He is always upfront and honest, and like I said earlier, if it was that bad, I don't think he would hide something like this just to protect future potential sales. The only thing we can do is try to be patient, and give them the chance to bring this promising product to market. It would be crushing if things came this far only to come to a screaching halt.

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Whats all the huffin and puffin, its a airbus..hahaha who cares!Go Boeing!and now folks, the Boeing 787, and on time!oh airbus 380 where are you??hehe

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>Whats all the huffin and puffin, its a airbus..hahaha who>cares!>>Go Boeing!>>and now folks, the Boeing 787, and on time!>>oh airbus 380 where are you??>>heheI have zero interest in a scarebus also, but that 787 they rolled out is not even close to being ready to fly. I hope Boeing can get it done on time, but they still have a ton of work to do before it can even fly.

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>Portland was only a year late, I'm sure this airbus will be>to. I just hope it comes out before FS11. Actually, coming out when FS11 does will be just about right: it will take us another 2 years before we have the hardware to run FS11, so you will indeed be able to run their A320 then, as well as the default cessna runs on your machine now.Noel

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Two quotes from the AirlinerXP wbsite:The Company does not warrant the accuracy, reliability, or completeness of any of the information displayed on the site or the software provided; it is provided "as is," without any warranty, express or implied, whatsoever, including, without limitation, implied warranties or any warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.This web site contains forward-looking statements regarding Airliner XP and its business. All statements regarding the company

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I posted that I thought the AXP was headed for a 2008 release many months ago, and the vaporware a really excited user association jumped all over that as some sort of unjustified meanness.You heard it from me first. 2008. Maybe late 2008.Setting expectations like they did, and then expecting people to accept a 6-12 month delay due to a one month illness, or an endless string of delays owing to the personal woes of one member of the developer team, it's all great B-reel theatre. I would suggest that his product has never been anywhere close to the pipe-dreamish timeline suggested by its marketers, and a bunch of fine-print caveating doesn't negate the reality that they threw up a smokescreen of misinformation hoping to deflect folks away from FeelThere's A320 release.Funny now, in retrospect, because FeelThere and Wilco detracted more from their own product release than AXP's marketing buffoonery ever could have.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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True, and even without such statements, plain old common sense says there's a little thing called 'life'. People get sick, personal crises, heck, just up and quit etc etc etc.My thing is, and has always been - a dev who shows previews does not have my money, only expectations of a nice addition to my hobby. I've seen people all bitter and DEEPLY disappointed over late releases, or no releases for which they've paid nothing - why I will never fathom.I take it as it unfolds - as it stands I'm still sanguine re the A320regards,Markhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/a320/custbanner2.jpgPC Power Silencer 470/3.2HT/2048mb/ATI X1950pro/SB Audigy

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>>I've seen people all bitter and DEEPLY disappointed over late>releases, or no releases for which they've paid nothing - why>I will never fathom.>>I take it as it unfolds - as it stands I'm still sanguine re>the A320>>regards,>MarkI agree there. I can't see what all the fuss is about. If they release a great product for FS9, I'll buy it. If they don't, I won't have spent a penny and won't have lost anything - so where's the problem?

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