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true it is sad...What I find more intersting is that you, Ernie - a developer of a compeating product, expresses a disapointment also. My respect for you just went up a few notches (pretty high to begin with), well done Ernie.happy holidays.

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Wow, sad news.FSNavigator "made" FS for me since late 1997 or 1998 when I first discovered it. I am sorry it's coming to an end but thank my lucky stars that I still fly FS9 and have FSNav as my constant companion. Helge Schroeder was a great FS pioneer. I'll always remember how my wife's nephew visited us some years ago and commented after seeing my FS9 set-up that he'd really like FsNav in his "office" -- he was chief trainer on the 747-400 and the A330 for his airline!I second the salute to Ernie as well.God Speed and Merry Xmas to all!JS

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Sad news but not very surprising.However, since I will stick with FS9, I will enjoy FSnav even into the future. ;-)

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http://www.scandicair.com/images/fs9_pilots_club.gifFlightsimmer since 1987Dell Dimension 4600 P4/2.8 at 3.0 Ghz, 1024 Mb DDR333 Dual channel memory (2x256,1x512)AGP 256 Mb ATI Radeon X850 Pro ViVo flashed to a X850 XT PE, Omega 2.6.87 (CAT 5.12)DirectX 9.0c, W XP Home with SP2, E171FPb Flat panel monitor 17"370Gb HD (120 GB Maxtor, 250GB Samsung) 7200rpm ATA, Lacie 250Gb Extern HDBlogg: http://blogg.passagen.se/primeaviFiles: http://library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=...&Go=Change+View

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Hey, Staffan:Greetings and salutations! Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!I remember your lovely DC-10 panel from those early FSNav days as well. Still flying the -10 but now CLS model in VC only.All the best!JS

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Hi Jonathan,Greetings to you and your family aswell. :-)I also fly the DC10 from CLS, but in 2D. Guess I will never be a "VC guy" :-hahJust hoping that PMDG will release the MD-11 soon.......:-wave

Staffan[/font size]

http://www.scandicair.com/images/fs9_pilots_club.gifFlightsimmer since 1987Dell Dimension 4600 P4/2.8 at 3.0 Ghz, 1024 Mb DDR333 Dual channel memory (2x256,1x512)AGP 256 Mb ATI Radeon X850 Pro ViVo flashed to a X850 XT PE, Omega 2.6.87 (CAT 5.12)DirectX 9.0c, W XP Home with SP2, E171FPb Flat panel monitor 17"370Gb HD (120 GB Maxtor, 250GB Samsung) 7200rpm ATA, Lacie 250Gb Extern HDBlogg: http://blogg.passagen.se/primeaviFiles: http://library.avsim.net/search.php?CatID=...&Go=Change+View

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Hello,Looks like FSX has just taken out another developer, could this be a vision of things to come? Very sad day indeed.

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But why would he stop selling the product all together? Support costing more than it's worth?Chuck B.

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There is so much criticism in some forums about lack of support I think he did the honourable thing and pulled the product all together. If he continued to sell it the hue and cry from the whiners would have become unbearable as evidenced by some forums I read today. Sometimes people should be careful what they wish for. I think FSNavigator without support is better than no FSNavigator but apparently a whole lot of other people disagreed to the point where he just got fed up. I saw someone wished him "good riddance" but they misspelled riddance.I do hope some arrangement can be made for someone else to take over support though. A simple thing like the Sid/Stars database is quite important and been unavialable for quite some time.More power to Helge and thanks for the many years of support for a great product.

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Well that explains why my eval copy says it can't find the server for the SID STARS...:(Dollar short and a day late? Is there any way to "manually" install the last version of the database? Can we still "register" so it can be used after 20 sessions? I really like being able to freely make a flight plan and export it to FS9 at least...

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My gosh, I don't know what I'd do in the beginning if I hadn't found FSNavigator. It turned FS9 from a game into a manageable simulator.This is really disturbing -- He could at least offer it at reduced price/freeware. It cost me 40 bucks, which I'm not sure is fair given no support but, still, I'd be lost without it. Didn't someone tell him an alternative to pulling the product would be to just ... ignore the posts and/or don't open his email?? I'm glad I got mine when I did. I hope this isn't a sign of what's to come for FS developers.Chuck

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There is another life, other than FS you know. :)Sometimes people just move on. Sort of like getting divorced.From some past reading, there was some turmoil or some type of trauma in his personal life. I used to be an auto mechanic. Now I REFUSE to work on other peoples cars. I used to be a small boat Captain. Now I refuse to step foot on them.Hes moving on and what we have is what we have. I believe he has that right, don't you all? I'm sure we'll get over it. A lot of folks are boycotting FSX.Rudolf

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>There is another life, other than FS you know. :)Yuh think?? But considering this is AVSIM, that's the topic _here_, right?>Sometimes people just move on. Sort of like getting divorced.>From some past reading, there was some turmoil or some type of>trauma in his personal life. >I used to be an auto mechanic. Now I REFUSE to work on other>peoples cars. I used to be a small boat Captain. Now I refuse>to step foot on them.>>Hes moving on and what we have is what we have. I believe he>has that right, don't you all? I'm sure we'll get over it. A>lot of folks are boycotting FSX.>>>RudolfOf course he has that right. Just like the kid next door has the right "to take his ball and go home." I'm sorry he had personal problems, but to just pull these fully developed and well working products and not offer them any where else? What a waste. There's all kinds of orphaned software out there for other apps -- FS seems to be the only one where developers pull theirs and then thow them away, as though saying if I can't get my way, no one will have them at all.But it is his right. :-rollChuck B.

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AFAIK, he hasn't "pulled" anything. He is just not updating his software to FSX.I'm sure FSNAv will continue to work with FS9. Mine works now and I fully expect it to no matter whether he pulls his site down or not. I find it bug free and I have never needed any "support" since I installed it. We will always be able to find support as long as someone is using it.If anyone hasn't already got their copy to work with FS9 then I guess they better get cracking.Maybe there is not enough info yet. If the registration# has to register with a website, we may be in trouble, but I don't have that info yet either. if it registers WITHIN the software, then there is really no issue.This is going to be a case where I will believe it when I see it. Awhile back, there was a rumor it was going to be FREE for everyone since he was not updating to FSX. But that was a false rumor.Heres what we have:"i have received an email from the developer of FsNavigator, Helge Schroeder, requesting that we stop selling his product by Dec 31st 2007.From that email it became clear that there is no FSX version development at all for this product, e.g. the product will stop existing."I say post the email and let US figure out what "became clear"what does e.g. mean? Who says E.G? The software creator, OR the receiver of the email? How has anyone jumped to that conclusion? Are we believing some interpretation or an email?"it became clear that no FSX version...." Clear to whom? Fine, don't develop it for FSX. Half of us aren't running X anyway.Just asking. I don't see anything as being clear yet. Rufus

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Rufus,The frequently seen abbreviation e.g. is short for the Latin "exempli gratia", meaning "for example". The email from Helge was sent to Miguel Blaufuks, owner of simMarket.com. His message is posted here:http://forums.simflight.com/viewtopic.php?f=157&t=67419If you have any confusion, perhaps you should ask Miguel directly.As far as I am concerned, FS Navigator has not been supported for over a year now, and it works fine in FS9, so it has no effect on me whatsoever.

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I dont know. FSN was very well supported for FS2002. It really was a requirement for any serious simming then. It barely got ported to FS2004 and I guess the developer got tired of it when FSX came out. Its a great tool. I still use it with my FS2004. Would be nice if the source code could be given to some trustworthy party for freeware continuance under an open source type deal. Seems like a better plan than just letting it die. Eric

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Early on in my flight simming experience, FSNavigator was a turning point for me, as much as my flight yoke and multiple screen set-up, due to FSNav's ease of use and utter supioririty over the native FS9 flight planner (I especially liked that "Move Aircraft to Here" right click command early on!) and I'm not sure I would have stayed with the hobby without it, as I might have gotten very frustrated trying to duplicate real life flight plans. And I have never needed support for the product.Although those of us who currently own the program are "OK" (for now) what about those that come behind us? The new ones who will ensure that the hobby continues and evolves? Sure there is an alternative, but really only one and personally I don't find it as intuitive or nearly as easy to use as FSNavigator.But you're right -- we really don't know what's going to happen. Personally, since I have no plans to go back to my FSX anytime in the near future, I could care less whether or not a version is in development.Chuck B.

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>Rufus,>>The email from Helge was sent to Miguel Blaufuks, owner of>simMarket.com. His message is posted here:>>http://forums.simflight.com/viewtopic.php?f=157&t=67419>>If you have any confusion, perhaps you should ask Miguel>directly.>>>Yes, THAT is what I am referring to. If you look at only what we know, the owner of simflight received an email from the author. He states that the author asked him stop selling his product as of end of year. But everything after that is conjecture as far as I see. I dont see a statement about the author saying he was not selling FSnav any longer.>>As far as I am concerned, FS Navigator has not been supported>for over a year now, and it works fine in FS9, so it has no>effect on me whatsoever.>I completely agree. Until the email from the author is posted SOMEWHERE, the only thing we can conclude is that he wants simflight to stop selling it. And if you read some of the absurd claims of "fraud" on the simflight FSnav "support" board with respect to the product, I wouldn't blame the author if he wanted to cease all contact with simflight. Maybe THAT is the intent of the email. IMOI just see no factual evidence or quotes from the "author", does anybody? Until then, theres not much need to get everyones knickers into a knot. When the first buyer reports that he cannot register the program, or the first previous owner to re-install and attempt to register I think we'll know then.

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Support for this product stopped a long time ago, so I'm not surprised that this is the "final curtain". FSX is causing a major Darwinian struggle for survival amongst developers, or so it seems.

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The only thing I know is that over a year ago, Helge was involved in a serious motor accident. That was announced on the forums, and I don't believe that there has ever been any direct post from Helge on any forum since then. All information has been second hand.Perhaps his injuries were so bad that he could no longer be bothered with trivial things like Flightsim? After all, you need to get perspective about what is important in life.

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There is always FSBuild. Many people think it's better. I have tried neither but will have to go for FSBuild now.RH

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>The only thing I know is that over a year ago, Helge was>involved in a serious motor accident. That was announced on>the forums, and I don't believe that there has ever been any>direct post from Helge on any forum since then. All>information has been second hand.>>Perhaps his injuries were so bad that he could no longer be>bothered with trivial things like Flightsim? After all, you>need to get perspective about what is important in life.>>The car accident report was a news item on simflight in Nov 2004, and that article stated in happend in the summer, making it well over 3 years ago. It didn't prevent the FSNav update for FS9 from being released. There was also a FSnav 4.7 update a few months after that.As far as we know the author hasn't given any reasons for his decision.Regards.Ernie.

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FSnavigator was the very first add on I ever bought way back in February 2004 and one of the programmes I always reinstall with Flightsim. I have FSbuild as well and use that to convert flight plans from routefinder format to all the other formats I need.FSBuild is very good - so is FSnavigator. I believe they perform different tasks and I wouldnt be without FSnavigator's moving map function in FS9 to show me where I am in a flight. Niether could I do without FSbuild because if its conversion possibilities.I dont have any plans to upgrade to FSX and as the FSNavigator can be activated within the programme rather than over the internet I am set for the foreseeable future.The one concern I do have is that Navdata and Navigraph will support FSnavigator, PSS, and other add ons if they cease business - I haven't seen any comments about this on the Navdata forums so farJohn

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