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Hi everyone, I am currently using v-route to take out my routes I want to fly, but I am not fully satisfied with it, 1 if 2 routes work, short of routes sometimes, like yesterday, I wanted to fly to Acapulco, but couldn't find any routes, so any suggestion?, would be good if the program also could export the fligtplan so I just have to load it the fmc after.

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>There are a number of places to find real flightplans. I use>either Flightaware http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt>or Routefinder http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/>>Dave F.I forgot Simroutes http://www.simroutes.com/For European routes you can use this site http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/These sites will give you routes using Airways so you can quickly input your route into your FMC RTE Page.I also suggest you get a flightplanner like FSNav.Dave

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This is great info, I never knew about simroute.but, how do you know which SID / STAR to use.for example, a flight from EGLL to EHAM just shows a BPK dep, so how do you know which BPK SID to use, as there are quite a few.Thanks.

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>but, how do you know which SID / STAR to use.>for example, a flight from EGLL to EHAM just shows a BPK dep,>so how do you know which BPK SID to use, as there are quite a>few.The SID is tied to the departure runway.For example (in this case):BPK4K is for 09LBPK5J is for 09RBPK6G is for 27LBPK6F is for 27RBest regards,Rafal

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>It is already been mentioned, but Routefinder works perfectly>for me.>http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/>I haven't found anything out there that generates any better>routes (...)I double that. Especially that it takes updated AIRACS into consideration (plus NATS, of course).Although I like making flightplans myself (with FSNav as the map background), I sometimes use RouteFinder and find it very good.Highly recommended!Best regards,Rafal

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I use FlightAware to see actual routes recently used since I do all my flying in the USA. If nothing appropriate shows on flightaware then I'll try routefinder or make one myself using skyvector and naco charts/plates. then I load it as flightplan for the game using fsbuild.sids and stars can be tied to a specific runway but just as often, if not more often, are tied to a general direction of flight. sometimes they are dependent upon the type of aircraft and the equipment on the aircraft as well (RNAV or normal) and some are restricted to jets, turboprops, or both.

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Route finder is not very realistic at times - if realism is what you want.For example, in the UK it will use the BIGGIN SID for departures from Gatwick (EGKK). However this SID is "For aircraft landing at LONDON HEATHROW or NORTHOLT only."To Edinburgh (EGPH), Routefinder gives:EGKK SID BIG UT420 WELIN UN57 POL UN601 MARGO STAR EGPHwhereas the real lifr route is:EGKK LAM L10 BPK (U)N601 MARGOT TWEEDIE1A EGPHFor UK routes go to:http://www.ais.org.uk/You have to register but it's free.Look for SRD (Standard Route Document) under publications. This gives the preferred routing between airports in the UK and between airports and waypoints denoting exit points from UK airspace. It's updated with every AIRAC cycle.The routes are "preferred" routes for ATC purposes to maximise capacity. Pilots can ask for an alternative. However, because of capacity constraints I suspect a pilot who asked for an alternative might have to wait a while before being given it.Does anyone know if there are similar documents for other countries airspace?

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>Route finder is not very realistic at times - if realism is>what you want.>>For example, in the UK it will use the BIGGIN SID for>departures from Gatwick (EGKK). However this SID is "For>aircraft landing at LONDON HEATHROW or NORTHOLT only.">>To Edinburgh (EGPH), Routefinder gives:>>EGKK SID BIG UT420 WELIN UN57 POL UN601 MARGO STAR EGPH>>whereas the real lifr route is:>>EGKK LAM L10 BPK (U)N601 MARGOT TWEEDIE1A EGPH>>For UK routes go to:>>http://www.ais.org.uk/>>You have to register but it's free.>>Look for SRD (Standard Route Document) under publications.>This gives the preferred routing between airports in the UK>and between airports and waypoints denoting exit points from>UK airspace. It's updated with every AIRAC cycle.>>The routes are "preferred" routes for ATC purposes to maximise>capacity. Pilots can ask for an alternative. However, because>of capacity constraints I suspect a pilot who asked for an>alternative might have to wait a while before being given it.>>Does anyone know if there are similar documents for other>countries airspace? >>>here is the preferred route database for the US.http://www.fly.faa.gov/Products/Coded_Depa...s_database.html

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Obviously finding real world preferred routes and/or planning the route yourself is the most realistic. Routefinder is a great alternative for the simmer. No, it won't go and factor in all the details of every airport, but it makes a very reasonable route. Most route generators will either ignore sids/stars or possibly throw you into the side of a mountain. They also like to send you hundreds of miles in the wrong direction, etc.

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thx for all replays, I have tested a couple of yours tips, are going to test fs navigator now, btw, anyone knows how to convert the exported fligtplans from v-route so I just have to drop it in the folder and start the game and load?

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You can download FSNavigator but cannot buy it anymore. You get 20 sessions then no more.JimCYWG

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>You can download FSNavigator but cannot buy it anymore. You>get 20 sessions then no more.>>Jim>CYWGWhy did they stop sell it?Dave F.

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Hi.in relation to my earlier comments on how do we know which SID or STAR to use on a flight plan, I am still concerned and confused.for example, if I use either FS Nav or Routefinder etc, they say a BPK dep, but I don't know which BPK SID to select on the FMC, as it lists about 7 of them, so, how do you know which one to use guy's.The same goes for the arrival STAR.any help would be very much appreciated on this.

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