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Gals, please don't cyberspacely beat me up too much. I've had 3-females, two granddaughters, age 13 and 22 (the 2 and a half-year old doesn't count, she just goes wild) and a friend, low 40s sit down and fly the sim, usually the J-3 Cub or the Cessna 172. I get the aircraft trimmed-up nicely, fly with the CH yoke and auto-rudder checked. Now, they fly for about a minute and then ask--BAM-- How do I make it crash? Good grief! Now, the only other person to fly has been my brother-in-law with not the same reaction. What gives?Deep stuff?.--Roger

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No different than my 6 yr old who on occasion while driving Nascar 2003 at Daytona will head straight for the wall at 200 mph.Just to see what happens.BTW, he does the same thing in FS9.

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Every single person who I have shown my lovely sim to (with the full yoke,pedals,throttles etc) has asked how to crash the aircraft! :-eek....and the look of disbelief in their faces when I say I never crash nor wish to....or do they mean crash to desktop? :-hahNow I do not show my sim to anyone anymore. :)

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Hehe, I get the same thing guys. "Lets crash it!" they say.Then they do and I say "anyone can do that, not just anyone can land in a snow storm at Midway. Want to try?". They always say "BORING".....Also they say (always), wow the crash graphics stink! And I always come back with "It's a FLIGHT simulator, not a plane crash simulator".....

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Didn't know what to expect with this topic - nice surprise! My 4 yrd old grandson is infatuated with the hatswitch - nothing else - loves to spin the view around to the point he gets dizzy and almost falls off the chair. I guess he's training his gyro ......crashing will be next, I'm sure.Regards, Kendall#1: E6750@3.2GHZ/Coolermaster HyperTX2 Gigabyte P35-DS3L 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC6400 Seagate 250GB 7200.10 SATA2 Gigabyte X800XT -Cat 6.12's CH Yoke/Pedals/Saitek Throttle Dual Monitor: Dell 2405/1905 #2: Dell 8400 3.2 H.T. 3GB PC4200 Diamond Xtreme/Logitech X-530's

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Really boggles the mind. I mean, I just don't see the appeal. Makes me wonder sometimes how we've managed to evolve this far!Regards,Jeff

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Guess thats why shoot 'em ups are so popular, and why fs has more 'game' aspects now.We who just love the magic of aviation, who just 'get it' are a separate breed, only a few per thousand births :)regards,Mark

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Hello AllIt's something I really don't understand...It happens every single time. People are initially very enthusiastic about aircraft simulation but after a moment when things get boring for them (I mean adults not children) there it goes: "Let's crash it", "Try to hit that bridge", "Let's ditch it in some water" or something similar.I suppose people just want to see what happens when an aircraft crashes. I always try to explain that nothing spectacular like an explosion will occur. Useless though.Very few of my friends have actually tried to fly, land or take off in a correct way. I have observed a slight attitude to roll violently and crash upside down immediatly after take off.I occasionnally try to explain that crashing is sensless, especially after meticulous flight planing and preparation. (Not to mention CTD's which have a nasty habit of occuring when you're most excited...)From time to time I ask "How would you feel if you were inside that plane seconds away from getting vaporised?" I know it's a stupid question but it does get a laugh from time to time or a stare that means I've lost it.Amusing subject Roger, thanks for bringing it upRegards OnurLTBA

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Yet.... anyone been to the 3 story arcade at Disney World Downtown? There's a great 737 sim complete with yoke, pedals, throttle, flap and gear switches. There's usually a wait to fly it, while being surrounded by FPS's everywhere else; and the kids actually try to land. I don't know why it gets a different reaction than in our homes. I was flying it for awhile while my kids were doing their thing. Greased a few and did some T&G's when I looked around and noticed I had about 6 people watching me intently. One woman finally broke the silence and asked what airline I flew for :D Mike

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One>woman finally broke the silence and asked what airline I flew>for :D Was she pretty....or a crash test dummy? :-lolGreat story! :)

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I feel as though it's a great way to stop people crashing.

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-----------------------------------------One woman finally broke the silence and asked what airline I flew for -----------------------------------------Ahahaa brilliant! :)

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I know, I need to lighten up a little here, but as I sat here reading the posts in this thread I became pretty aggravated as I recounted all the times that people have sat down at the PC, or more recently in my full size Learjet 45 simulator, and ask this question (Let's crash it!/Have you ever crashed?/What happens when you crash?/Do I really sound like an idiot when I want to crash it? [j/k])Folks get so easily bored these days. I agree, there are very few people out there that really have an interest to sit down and do things properly.On another note, I cant tell you how many times Ive had a REAL world pilot sit down and want to do rolls and fly inverted and all sorts of aerobatic stuff. This aggravates me too, but at least I can understand their desire to do this to a degree- they have to fly by the numbers and do it with safety always first and so they get a chance go crazy in a sim and blow off flying 'properly'. Rant over-

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>Full Size Learjet 45 Flight Simulator>KAYSHas got me drooling now......Eric, you have any pics? I've been contemplating a home cockpit based on the Lear 45 or Citation X.Regards, Kendall #1: E6750@3.2GHZ/Coolermaster HyperTX2 Gigabyte P35-DS3L 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC6400 Seagate 250GB 7200.10 SATA2 Gigabyte X800XT -Cat 6.12's CH Yoke/Pedals/Saitek Throttle Dual Monitor: Dell 2405/1905 #2: Dell 8400 3.2 H.T. 3GB PC4200 Diamond Xtreme/Logitech X-530's

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>>Full Size Learjet 45 Flight Simulator>>KAYS>>Has got me drooling now......Eric, you have any pics? I've>been contemplating a home cockpit based on the Lear 45 or>Citation X.>>>Regards, Kendall >#1: E6750@3.2GHZ/Coolermaster HyperTX2 > Gigabyte P35-DS3L > 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC6400 > Seagate 250GB 7200.10 SATA2> Gigabyte X800XT -Cat 6.12's> CH Yoke/Pedals/Saitek Throttle > Dual Monitor: Dell 2405/1905 >>#2: Dell 8400 3.2 H.T.> 3GB PC4200 > Diamond Xtreme/Logitech X-530'sHi KendallThe website for my project is at www.flightlevel180.org . Have a look around! Tons of pictures there, but the new panels are not quite here yet so you wont see the sim rebuilt with them for a month or so.Thanks,

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My 3 year old grandson loves flying the 'firetails'. Needless to say he gets a kick out of the afterburner on an F16 that I have.He gets to see the real thing on occasion when we go to KSPI where the Illinois Air Guard are stationed and he always wants to come back to grandpa's to fly the fire tail.He's not into crashing at all, unlike his toy trains we have all over the floor. But he loves activating the landing gear..up...down...up...down.KJAvatarSaabAnimation.gif

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Sometimes when my wife is in a really good mood she would push me to the side of my chair, put on my trackIR hat and takes the next leg. It normally ends in a pretty upset attitude (of the plane) within minutes. Then she would walk away and tell me to "keep having fun". Suicidal? no. Enthusiastic? no. It's just one way to bond with this dumb guy when he's glued to his sim. People naturally seek entertainment (AKA explosions in our Hollywood culture)from games. FS-style realism goes in the opposite direction of that kind of expectations. Therefore lose of interest and abandonment follow.Also I think it's safe to say more men than women are interested in flying. Last flight my wife, although a curious and energetic creature in general, slept all the way. Instead of asking to take the yoke she asked how to turn off the headset so she wouldn't have to hear all the talking with ATC.Another thought, imagine I'm checking out The Sims, a popular game among girls where you get married, build a family and a social life. I would probably say the same thing, "What the heck...boring".Jason

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>Another thought, imagine I'm checking out The Sims, a popular>game among girls where you get married, build a family and a>social life. I would probably say the same thing, "What the>heck...boring".>>JasonThat's a good point - my first thought if I were to see someone playing the Sims would be "can you make them fight/shoot/kill eachother?" I could care less having little sim people meet others and develop relationships and whatever else they can do in that game.Flight simulators - when operated "properly" are just just outside most people's realm of interest. They don't understand all the complexities of planning/navigation/approach/departure, etc. Sitting down for 5 minutes without "something happening" in what they perceive as a "game" is pointless to them. Enroute flight is especially so.This is one of the reasons why I fly my short-medium haul aircraft much more than my long range aircraft. Enroute is boring, even when you're doing it the old fashioned way flying airways - let alone flying autopilot/gps/fmc. Departure, approach, and landing is where the fun is at for me.

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Hey guys, I'm female and I don't like to crash while flying my aircraft in FS. The whole point is NOT to crash, where is the skill in that! I get great satisfaction in being able to complete a flight with a complex airliner without any mishaps, especially trying to get the best takeoffs and butter smooth landings with few errors in between. A crash just shows that you made some mistake in a procedure or need more piloting practice.I even had a collision with another aircraft (approach in the clouds, no TCAS, bad ATC) that disabled my landing gear, but I still wanted to successfully land the aircraft in one piece. In fact, I'd like to do that scenario again, but I've never been able to replicate it. I also like to play first-person shooter games, but I haven't let that mentality creep into my flight simulation, except once. That ONE time I deliberately crashed the aircraft when I was taking one of Rod's lessons and got ticked off when it terminated prematurely (several times) thanks to Microsoft's built-in short time constraint. Oops, sorry Rod, but I felt I needed to auger you in just once. :-violin Kim

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>>I also like to play first-person shooter games, but I haven't>let that mentality creep into my flight simulation, except>once. That ONE time I deliberately crashed the aircraft when I>was taking one of Rod's lessons and got ticked off when it>terminated prematurely (several times) thanks to Microsoft's>built-in short time constraint. Oops, sorry Rod, but I felt I>needed to auger you in just once. :-violin >>KimI got a good laugh outta that Kim! "...I felt I needed to auger you in just once..."

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My sim has a bowling ball mounted on a pendulum that releases and comes down and smacks the pilot in the head when crashes occur. Also a jaw-like clamping affair mounted near the groin area activates to help cleanse the gene pool.When I show someone the sim and they want to see a crash, I gladly seat them in the pilot's seat and let them go for it.Hey, as real as it get's, right :)

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The post about "what's the attraction of a game like 'The Sims'" raised a very good point. Part of my arrangement with my wife is that I have my sim set up in the corner of the living room where we can at least see and chat with each other while I'm flying (which is almost ALL the time I'm home now). She and the kids have no interest in flight simulation but never bug me about why I do it or how much I do it. Funny thing is, she sits on the couch and watches her "Project Runway" "####'s Kitchen" and "America's Next Chef" reality shows and in between ATC instructions and flight calculations, I catch myself on the verge of making comments to her like "Why do you watch this crap?" Unbelievable.BTW, the 12 year old has tried flight simming and prefers the crash and burn route you're all talking about here, and the 16 year old has apologetically said that it wasn't really "engaging enough" for him -- but are very understanding and happy that I've finally found a hobby for myself. Before this, if I wasn't out playing golf with the boys (which I really sucked at!) it was always yard work, knocking down walls, tearing up and rebuilding bathrooms, adding decks, and redecorating rooms, with me insisting that they all help!Actually, now that I think about it they're probably more relieved than anything -- now everybody gets their weekends off! (And the house looks just fine.) :-D

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I have a Confession. Many years ago when I first started flight simming, I crashed into the Twin Towers while trying to manuever between them. This was way before the actual tragedy on 9/11. What the "Heck" I figured. Since I wiped out one Landmark, I'd try for them all. As FS advanced into new versions and new landmarks, I have dive bombed and collided with them all. From the Pyramids of Egypt to The Vatican in Rome, no place has escaped my relentless search for targets to hit. I even include geographical locations, such as Mount Everest, Mt Fuji. the Dead sea, etc. It's my own Personal Guiness book of records. There isn't a Building of note, a Bridge or Landmark that is safe from the terror of Old Bill and his Super king Air in Marine Corps livery. It's like I have an alter Ego such as Superman or Batman that needs to be satisfied.Bill ;) :+ :-jumpy

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Bill:Have you ever been tempted to go after the Microsoft building in Redmond? ;-)Chuck

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