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Imagine Sim KEWR taxiway lines.

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I just installed the scenery. I've tried everything to stop all the ground stripes from looking like marquis lights. (flashing dots) Is this just a fault of the scenery?Michael

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They probably aren't real marquee lights - but they do the same thing for me. Do you have an nVidia card?DJ

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Specs? Screen shot? That scenery is demanding, but it works quite well on a good computer.

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My computer specs:Antec 900 caseQX9650 @3.7ghzGigabyte GA-X48-DQ6Seasonic SS-650HT 650WEVGA 9800GTX 175.16WD 10K 16M SATA WD1500AHFDWD 7200 360CORS TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX Samsung 275T 27" monitor

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Well, that should do. :D All I can say is that I don't have any issues with the scenery.

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Well, I just got it this week and I have lots of problems with it, including those bloody dotted lines.I'm also getting only about 12 FPS with 60% AI, too. Something ain't right here, and I've read a lot of people have had trouble with this particular scenery.

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Well, I had performance issues. They all went away with my new computer, the processor and memory are very close to yours. I have a less interesting ATI card. And I use 100% AI. What about your AA and AF settings? The scenery seems to need a little more of both. I'll post a screen shot to show you how nice it can look, it's definitely not ImagineSim's best work, but it's not unusable either.

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While trying to take a shot, I looked more closely at the lines and certainly from above and a distance, there is a hint of what you're describing. Too bad ImagineSim changed their style after KEWR and not before.

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You can convert the taxiway lines and add Mip to them It is the same thing that I got with the FT sceneries until they released their mipped textures...If you shoot Cal an e-mail he will let you know what textures to convert, he was incredibly helpful with me...-PPrimary RigLiquid CooledIntel C2D E8500 468X9.5 @ 4.45Asus Maximus Extreme2 gigs OCZ Reaper DDR3 @1400Dual OC'd XFX 8800GTX @ 2 gigs24 inch Widescreen LCD 16XAA/16XAFDual 19 inch LCD'sRaid-0+1PCPower and Cooling 1k Quad SLIhttp://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.htmlBackup RigAMD 4000 San Diego @ 2.72 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2XFX 7900 GTX Raid-0psolk.jpg

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I have a similar system to yours and I get 25fps at KEWR with 100% AI, Aerosoft Manhattan Scenery, Simflyer's JFK and Imaginesim LaGuardia all at 100% AI too, plus Ultimate Terrain.It sounds like you have a problem with your NVIDIA card (I chose to go with the ATI X2). You'd do well to uninstall your Nvidia drivers, use DriverCleaner to delete all references to it and reinstall the drivers from scratch. Your FPS is way to low for your rig.EDIT: I'm curious, what are your 3DMarks? Did you build the system yourself and have you verified that all of your components are running at optimal settings with your overclock? I also see you are running only a 650 Watt power supply with a 9800 ??? VERY bad choice, you will starve (are starving) your video card!HTH,Mike T.

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>I have a similar system to yours and I get 25fps at KEWR with>100% AI, Aerosoft Manhattan Scenery, Simflyer's JFK and>Imaginesim LaGuardia all at 100% AI too, plus Ultimate>Terrain.>>It sounds like you have a problem with your NVIDIA card (I>chose to go with the ATI X2). You'd do well to uninstall your>Nvidia drivers, use DriverCleaner to delete all references to>it and reinstall the drivers from scratch. Your FPS is way to>low for your rig.>>EDIT: I'm curious, what are your 3DMarks? Did you build the>system yourself and have you verified that all of your>components are running at optimal settings with your>overclock? I also see you are running only a 650 Watt power>supply with a 9800 ??? VERY bad choice, you will starve (are>starving) your video card!>>HTH,>>Mike T.>I think hes fine Mike that Seasonic SS-650HT is a good power supply but I have had a mess at kewr with the taxi lines looking like crap everything was back to normal and great when I used theses settings in nhancer, using just the default settings i get a huge amount of simmering and just really looks bad.Anti-Aliasing: 8xS CombinedAnisotropic Filtering: 16xHi qualityNegative LOD BIAS: ClampMy fps is at around 19fps 20fps AI traffic at 50% with the cls dc-10 I would try out stuff in nhancer and then do what psolk suggested with the mipmaps.

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>I have a similar system to yours and I get 25fps at KEWR with>100% AI, Aerosoft Manhattan Scenery, Simflyer's JFK and>Imaginesim LaGuardia all at 100% AI too, plus Ultimate>Terrain.>>It sounds like you have a problem with your NVIDIA card (I>chose to go with the ATI X2). You'd do well to uninstall your>Nvidia drivers, use DriverCleaner to delete all references to>it and reinstall the drivers from scratch. Your FPS is way to>low for your rig.>Mike: I'm curious about your performance (or my lack of it) at Newark: are you running anything else like ActiveSky with real world weather? And are all your sliders right? I've got Bird's Eye View and Flight Environment running as well with UT and all FSGenesis terrain mesh with the sandwich. BTW, I tested the ATI x2 1 Gig factory overclock with my current nVidia for over a month and in clouds the ATI just lost out to the nVidia.. I use driver cleaner pro each driver change, in safe mode, and even did a complete wipe of my hard drive and reinstall at 2 pionts, and I have the same problems, so I doubt it's his cards or driver.KEWR is very cool mainly because of it's level of detail but, and probably because of that detail it is far and away the worst performing airport I own. Those dark black runway textures alone just look "heavy".

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>You can convert the taxiway lines and add Mip to them It is>If you shoot Cal an e-mail he will let you know what textures>to convert, he was incredibly helpful with me...>-PThanks, P! I've had a look and I think I already know which ones to work with, but I want to check with the developer first, to see if he has any other suggestions.Michael (cloudflyer): I'll do this and report back if you want -- I'd love to tweak this thing up to get it running better. (Every time I drive by there I love that low approach coming over the turnpike.)Let me know.

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Hey Chuck:At KEWR I am running 100% AI (Custom AI package - 95% of gates full at any given time with real world flight schedules), Imaginesim KEWR, in the background: Aerosoft Manhattan, Imaginesim KLGA, Simflyers KJFK, AS 6.x, Utimate Terrain, Ground Environment Pro textures, and I fly only high end aircraft such as PMDG 737, LDS 767, CS 757 or PSS 757. ALL sliders to the right, of course.Frame rates average between 25-40fps depending on clouds, amount of aircraft taxiing and flying around the area, etc. Flying into and out of the airport area is silky smooth, with no stutters or hiccups.KEWR and the surrounding area has always been a challenge for FS9. But moving from an overclocked AMD 4800+ to my current rig has really made a huge difference...it's a sight to behold.Regards,Mike T.

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Hi all,Thanks for putting my mind at rest, I too am only getting single figure FPS with this scenery plus shimmering that would put Blackpool Lights to shame.But on seeing some of the spec's of the above m/c's having problems, explains all. Mine is Pent iv 3.2Ghz/ 2Gb RAM/ATI 1900GT graphics running FS9 OS-XP & another m/c Vista - os running ASky/FSCommander via WideFS.I just wish developers would warn us that we need the computing power of NASA to effectively run their programs Regards JohnT

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Yup, I'd say that's stressing your system pretty much, Mike! :-D The only real difference is I'm running multi-monitors and air cooling, and of course your h/w is one notch more "extreme" than mine, but 25 - 40 versus 12 - 14 FPS I was getting taxiing arond the airport yesterday??? That just makes me sick -- my system is definitely choking somewhere and I KNOW it's in my BIOS settings, but I just haven't figured out where yet.This was the final insult for me -- I have to stop screwing around. I contacted Michael Greenblatt at Flight Simulator Graphics Solutions last night!

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<>Hey P,I asked Cal for some assistance with this. He said he dosen't remember this. They suggested I try anyway and sent a program called DXTBMPE.EXE to use. I tried using it but being unfamiliar with texture conversion, I did not see any improvement. There were many options on saving the file and I tried a few. The file size changes so I suspect something changed but I don't know what. If you or someone knows this program, maybe you can give me some tips on using it. Otherwise, I was thinking.....since the problem only happens with the yellow taxi lines, maybe I could substitute some other taxi bmp in place of the Imagine Sim texture. Is this possible?A screenshot demonstrating the problem with the taxi lines is attached.Michael

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Sorry, it was Jim that is why LOL...Here is his email. Hi Paul,Thanks for your email.Have a look in your KEWR texture folder and try it out on all the files (assuming they are named alphabetically) from "orange001.bmp" down to "white001.bmp". Hope that it works for you, let me know if it does.Best,Jimsupport@imaginesim.com You need to convert those textures to DXT3 W/MIP and it should make the lines much more stable. Also, are you running Nvidia with NHancer?-PPrimary RigLiquid CooledIntel C2D E8500 468X9.5 @ 4.45Asus Maximus Extreme2 gigs OCZ Reaper DDR3 @1400Dual OC'd XFX 8800GTX @ 2 gigs24 inch Widescreen LCD 16XAA/16XAFDual 19 inch LCD'sRaid-0+1PCPower and Cooling 1k Quad SLIhttp://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.htmlBackup RigAMD 4000 San Diego @ 2.72 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2XFX 7900 GTX Raid-0psolk.jpg

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><the same thing that I got with the FT sceneries until they>released their mipped textures...>If you shoot Cal an e-mail he will let you know what textures>to convert, he was incredibly helpful with me...>-P>>>>Hey P,>>I asked Cal for some assistance with this. He said he dosen't>remember this. They suggested I try anyway and sent a program>called DXTBMPE.EXE to use. I tried using it but being>unfamiliar with texture conversion, I did not see any>improvement. There were many options on saving the file and I>tried a few. The file size changes so I suspect something>changed but I don't know what. If you or someone knows this>program, maybe you can give me some tips on using it. >Otherwise, I was thinking.....since the problem only happens>with the yellow taxi lines, maybe I could substitute some>other taxi bmp in place of the Imagine Sim texture. Is this>possible?>A screenshot demonstrating the problem with the taxi lines is>attached.>>Michael>Michael that it is excatly what I get when I have everything at default at my nivida settings I then downloaded nhancer and tried theses settings http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=38921and the taxie lines got way better, I wish imaginesim would do a ground upgrade for the scenery. :( heres a screen shotewr.jpgTheses are the settingsAA: Combined 8XSGamma correctionAF: 16XOptimizations Tab:Texture Filtering - High QualityTrilinear Opt - OffAniso. sample opt. - OffNegative LOD BIAS - Clamp

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Great advice Cesar,Also set the Negative Lod Bias to 0.00 in Nhancer. That helps alot too!Converting the textures is the same thing FlyTampa did to their sceneries to help with flickering. That is where the original idea came from :) Leave it to the geniuses...-PaulPrimary RigLiquid CooledIntel C2D E8500 468X9.5 @ 4.45Asus Maximus Extreme2 gigs OCZ Reaper DDR3 @1400Dual OC'd XFX 8800GTX @ 2 gigs24 inch Widescreen LCD 16XAA/16XAFDual 19 inch LCD'sRaid-0+1PCPower and Cooling 1k Quad SLIhttp://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.htmlBackup RigAMD 4000 San Diego @ 2.72 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2XFX 7900 GTX Raid-0psolk.jpg

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BE CAREFUL with those Supersampling and Combined settings if you have a GeForce 8x00 and later card! Mine was running about 20c hotter than normal until I realized I had selected Combined 8xS -- I came very close to burning my card out!The following is taken directly from the nHancer Help file:Supersampling (not for GeForce 8x00 and later cards)Allows you to choose from one of several different Supersampling modes on the right side.Supersampling offers excellent image quality, but can also reduce the frame rate considerably. See the detailed description for more information about the various Supersampling modes.Combined (not for GeForce 8x00 and later cards)Allows you to choose from one of several different combined Multi- and Supersampling modes on the right side.

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hmmm, I have run 8xs with my 8800GTX forever now...It really produces the best IQ by far, nothng else even comes close. What do you run Chuck? Weird,-PPrimary RigLiquid CooledIntel C2D E8500 468X9.5 @ 4.45Asus Maximus Extreme2 gigs OCZ Reaper DDR3 @1400Dual OC'd XFX 8800GTX @ 2 gigs24 inch Widescreen LCD 16XAA/16XAFDual 19 inch LCD'sRaid-0+1PCPower and Cooling 1k Quad SLIhttp://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.htmlBackup RigAMD 4000 San Diego @ 2.72 Gigs Kingston Corsair XMS CL2XFX 7900 GTX Raid-0psolk.jpg

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Micahael --All you have to do is open each of the files P lists further down in this thread in that DXTBMP.exe program after you've installed it on your computer. Then, without changing the file name, select File==>Save and under "Files of Type" select DXT3. Make sure the box to the right marked "Include Mip Maps" is ticked.Oh yeah, make sure you back up your textures folder, first!

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MultiSampling 4x. I think it was you I was talking to about how hot my p;

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Thanks again Paul. I converted all the specified files but still did not see improvement. I saved them as DXT3 with alpha and the mip option was checked. Each texture file has doubled in size. Is this normal? Video card is a 9800GTX and I have all the correct settings in Nhancer. Maybe there is a better way of converting. I had to do each one at a time.BTW, the GPU temp is around 56C. Is this OK?

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