January 18, 201016 yr As we all know, any aircraft above 256k lbs ATC appends the word "Heavy" to it's call sign during ATC communications. My question is does the same hold true for Air Force 1, or do they have some special exception, to just be referred as "Air Force 1" without the Heavy designation? Thanks Tom My Youtube Videos! http://www.youtube.com/user/tf51d
January 18, 201016 yr As we all know, any aircraft above 256k lbs ATC appends the word "Heavy" to it's call sign during ATC communications. My question is does the same hold true for Air Force 1, or do they have some special exception, to just be referred as "Air Force 1" without the Heavy designation?I've heard it done both ways, but usually, at least in the US, it's omitted. Truth is, the "heavy" designator is used primarily for ATC to establish proper spacing for wake turbulence, and with A1 nobody's gonna be allowed to get anywhere near close enough to where wake turbulence would be an issue, so it's really a moot point.CheersBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 18, 201016 yr Maybe when Pres. Clinton was on board... after all he did favour eating french fries... mmmm, french fries...Jeff ShylukSenior Staff ReviewerAVSIM
January 18, 201016 yr Maybe when Pres. Clinton was on board... after all he did favour eating french fries... mmmm, french fries...Jeff ShylukSenior Staff ReviewerAVSIM :( I think Bill gave that up after his quadruple-bypass, though. I suspect that there's something about the aftereffects of a sternal saw that makes you see the light.CheersBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, CO Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 19, 201016 yr Just happened to watch a special on Air Force 1 on Hulu. A snipit of radio transmission said "Air Force 1 Heavy". Couldn't tell what country they were in, though.Bob Bob i5, 16 GB ram, GTX 960, FS on SSD, Windows 10 64 bit, home built works anyway.
January 19, 201016 yr Just happened to watch a special on Air Force 1 on Hulu. A snipit of radio transmission said "Air Force 1 Heavy". Couldn't tell what country they were in, though.BobHappened to be flying near Toledo ealier this year and heard Air Force 2 being vectored around. Never heard "heavy" but then maybe Bill and French Fries were not involved. Geofa WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE-the best Flight Sim!
January 19, 201016 yr Is Air Force 2 the vice president's call sign? If so, that would likely be a 757 (whatever the military variant is - C-21, maybe? Google is so far away!) so it wouldn't get a 'heavy' appended to it.
January 19, 201016 yr Is Air Force 2 the vice president's call sign? If so, that would likely be a 757 (whatever the military variant is - C-21, maybe? Google is so far away!) so it wouldn't get a 'heavy' appended to it.Ya, AF2 is Joe's callsign, Marine 2 is Joe's callsign for the chopper though. Peter Clemenko IIIFormer AVSIM Staff ReviewerAll posts on the fourm are my own, and not representative of AVSIM.PFE Expansion voice actor"Solving new problems is what keeps us moving forward as individuals and as a society, so don't back down." Garry KasparovI do what I believe is right, not what is popular.
January 20, 201016 yr Per the .65, we are not supposed to refer to AF1 as "heavy" when the Pres is in the 747. Remember that Air Force (or Army, Marine, Navy, Guard, etc.) One can literally be ANY aircraft. When Bush landed on the Abraham Lincoln in a S3 Viking, it became "Navy One" (VV1).
January 21, 201016 yr I've heard it done both ways, but usually, at least in the US, it's omitted. Truth is, the "heavy" designator is used primarily for ATC to establish proper spacing for wake turbulence, and with A1 nobody's gonna be allowed to get anywhere near close enough to where wake turbulence would be an issue, so it's really a moot point.CheersBob ScottColonel, USAF (ret)ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VColorado Springs, COTrue....as any acrft the President is on (except Marine or Army One, helo's) becomes "AF1". The number one (1) I believe is the true designator that the Pres is onboard. Vincent
January 22, 201016 yr The Army no longer flies helos for the President, they are all part of HMX-1. Supporter GhostRecon.net | AGgReSsion WhiteKnight77's Place Mike Shannon
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