May 31, 201016 yr http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/...89291275169964/Looks like a bunch of Concorde buffs may attempt to revive at least one of the Concordes. Peter Clemenko IIIFormer AVSIM Staff ReviewerAll posts on the fourm are my own, and not representative of AVSIM.PFE Expansion voice actor"Solving new problems is what keeps us moving forward as individuals and as a society, so don't back down." Garry KasparovI do what I believe is right, not what is popular.
May 31, 201016 yr http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/...89291275169964/Looks like a bunch of Concorde buffs may attempt to revive at least one of the Concordes.No, Concorde will never fly again because it won't never have the authorization to leave the ground.I believe those folks want to show this beauty taxiing during shows.They will need about one year just to chek if one of the Concordes (parked at Le Bourget-FR) engines can be switched on. - PC Hardware: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D // Asus ROG Crosshair X870E HERO // 2x32Gb Corsair Dominator Titanium DDR5 6000MT/s CL30 // ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition // 4Tb Corsair NVMe M.2 MP600 // Corsair 1600W PSU Samsung Odyssey Arc 55" curved 165 Hz monitor. - Simulator Hardware: VIRPIL Constellation Alpha Prime + VIRPIL VPC Universal Control Panel - #3 + MOZA AY210 Force Feedback Yoke + WINWING URSA MINOR 32 Throttle & PAC Metal + WINWING SKYWALKER Metal Rudder Pedals + WINWING Airbus FCU & EFIS + WINWING Boeing 3N PAP + WINWING MCDU-32 + WINWING PFP-4 + WINWING PFP 3-N + WINWING PFP-7.
May 31, 201016 yr I think EADS will put the dampers on any attempt to fly the Concorde again. Its a shame, but there is no room for nostalgia versus their liability.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
May 31, 201016 yr The Concorde is very complex machine with really big maintenance and operational needs and costs. As much as I'd like to see it fly again, I'd have to agree with David and Chock - it seems unlikely these folks (Save the Concorde from Britain and Olympus 593 from France) will be able to pull that off. The expense and volume of bureaucracy and authorizations involved is just far too great. Also there is EADS to consider - at present it seems doubtful they'd allow this.The way I see it - the only way Concord can be brought back is through direct pressure and massive financial involvement from the French or British Governments (or both, or another Government of a powerful rich country....). Got to say it would be really good to see the Concorde fly at the opening of the 2012 Olympics in London, its a very good idea from 'Save the Concorde' and 'Olympus 593' even if at present it appears doubtful in term of feasibility. But who knows maybe they would be able to somehow do it - I mean, after all one Avro Vulcan was brought back from the abyss by a similar group of people (currently civil reg 'XH558').......
May 31, 201016 yr Moderator It was an absolute travesty that one Concorde per country was not kept airworthy for special occasions. I wish both groups well in their venture. It certainly won't be an easy ride. I believe their first hurdle is to see if the engines can be safely started. If they can then there's hope.Fingers crossed! If they can get a Vulcan airborne then I'll keep hoping.Here's the link to the story as the BBC reported it. Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
May 31, 201016 yr Hello,Bizzare to out this new now .. when the Concorde (Gonesse crash) trial is about to end.I think this trial is the last nail planted in the Concorde coffin.This plane will continue to be a nice item in some museums.The complete report of the trial (in french of course!) can be read there:http://procesconcorde.fenvac.org/?m=201003Regards.Gus.
June 1, 201016 yr http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/...89291275169964/Looks like a bunch of Concorde buffs may attempt to revive at least one of the Concordes.Pipe dreams......
June 1, 201016 yr Concorde cannot get a Certificate of Airworthiness needed to carry passengers because it no longer has a Type Certificate. This certificate is normally held by the manufacturer and when Airbus decided to stop supporting Concorde its Type Certificate was surrendered. The fact that there is no longer any manufacturer support is crucial for a complex aircraft like Concorde.In the UK, aircaft can be operated under a Permit to Fly issued by the Civil Aviation Authority - the Vulcan has a Permit to Fly. However the CAA will not issue a Permit to Fly to an aircraft that is eligible for the issue of a Certificate of Airworthiness. Consequently, only a Certificate of Airworthiness can be issued for an aircraft of a civil design that has been series manufactured for civil use: ie Concorde. This means Concorde cannot be granted a UK permit to fly either. Even if the CAA could be persuaded to waive this requirement unless the It agrees alternative provision through a suitably competent design organisation, the continued involvement of the manufacturer will be required as for complex military aircraft. Although Marshalls Aerospace took on that role for the Vulcan it's not certain that they would for Concorde, given the nature of Concorde and the absence of spares - even if the money could be found to pay them.I am not familar with French requirements but I imagine, being in the EU, they are broadly similar. Gerry Howard
June 1, 201016 yr Since what was BAC is now essentially swallowed up in British Aerospace, and they are a partner in EADS, which also swallowed up the Concorde's other developer - Aerospatiale - I think it is likely that the circumstances which preclude BAe from getting involved would also prevent any French part of the EADS consortium from doing so too.This is likely to be a situation which will affect probably most modern airliners in terms of them being operated long after their useful commercial life has ended, for the purposes of air shows and such. It's one thing to enthusiastically take a spanner to a DC-3's various bits, rivet on a few hand-formed skin patches, or even rebore an engine to get one flying, but that's not the sort of thing wealthy enthusiasts will be able to do with a complex modern jet airliner without the backing of a major manufacturer and its personnel, and airliners don't come much more complex than Concorde.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
June 2, 201016 yr Author So much red tape, so little hope. Peter Clemenko IIIFormer AVSIM Staff ReviewerAll posts on the fourm are my own, and not representative of AVSIM.PFE Expansion voice actor"Solving new problems is what keeps us moving forward as individuals and as a society, so don't back down." Garry KasparovI do what I believe is right, not what is popular.
June 2, 201016 yr So much red tape, so little hope.Not red-tape, rules to ensure safety.Also, there are no qualified Concorde pilots. Their Type Ratings have expired. Gerry Howard
June 2, 201016 yr Author Not red-tape, rules to ensure safety.Also, there are no qualified Concorde pilots. Their Type Ratings have expired.Killjoy was here. :(Seriously, I can understand why they won't let it fly again, it's just a shame really given how beautiful and unique the bird was. There was only one other aircraft that went in to production I can think of that was similar (the TU-144). It's a shame really. Peter Clemenko IIIFormer AVSIM Staff ReviewerAll posts on the fourm are my own, and not representative of AVSIM.PFE Expansion voice actor"Solving new problems is what keeps us moving forward as individuals and as a society, so don't back down." Garry KasparovI do what I believe is right, not what is popular.
June 9, 201015 yr Moderator What I find so disappointing reading through these comments is the lack of hope of seeing an iconic aircraft return to the skies. Yes, I'm well aware of the technical difficulties and the fact that there are huge obstacles to overcome but doesn't the prospect of seeing her fly again excite any of you?Peter has hit the nail on the head! :( Ray (Cheshire, England). System: P3D v5.3HF2, Intel i9-13900K, MSI 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G, Crucial T700 4Tb M.2 SSD, Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Hero, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR5 6000Mhz RAM, Win 11 Pro 64-bit, BenQ PD3200U 32” UHD monitor, Fulcrum One yoke, Fulcrum Throttle Quadrant. Cheadle Hulme Weather website.
June 10, 201015 yr What I find so disappointing reading through these comments is the lack of hope of seeing an iconic aircraft return to the skies. Yes, I'm well aware of the technical difficulties and the fact that there are huge obstacles to overcome but doesn't the prospect of seeing her fly again excite any of you?Peter has hit the nail on the head! :(The UK government exempted Concorde from the noise regulations applicable to other commercial aircraft. I very much doubt that the exemption would be restored. I think people living near Concorde's base might be so excited as to seek a High Court injunction prohibiting its use. - icon or not! Gerry Howard
June 10, 201015 yr As unlikely as it is that it will take to the skies, I suspect you don't understand very much about how the average person in Britain feels toward Concorde if you think they would object to it flying again. Every time I ever saw that creation fly over Stockport on its way into Manchester, people of all ages used to stop in the street, looking and pointing admiringly up towards the thing. Many on the street where I used to live would come out of their houses to watch it until it disappeared from sight (really). Short of the Spitfire and Lancaster, there isn't another aircraft in the world that gets that kind of reaction from the average person. As far as I can surmise, it's pretty much universally loved by most Brits, even those that don't know one end of an aeroplane from the other.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
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