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Hello all,I'm pretty new to flight sims and FSX and I think I got a bit ahead of myself when I bought Wilco's Citation X.....it looks great and everything, but I am totally lost when it comes to flying the thing! I'm trying not to regret buying it by telling myself that it will be all worth it when I do learn how to program the FMS and learn how to operate it and fly it how it's supposed to be flown!So, I'm hoping you can recommend some of the best sites for payware aircraft or payware addons in general...scenery etc.Ideally I would like a plane that has not too complex controls, but one that has all the auto pilot controls for ILS because I'm not very good at approaching airports on my own. I like the single engine and twin engine planes, but ideally I'd like something a bit bigger, but something not as complicated as the business jets like the Citation X!I also bought the Passenger FS program that simulates running an airline, so I'd really like a nice sized plane that I can use with that...one that can hold a fair number of people, but not too difficult to fly.Thanks!Mark(p.s.) I have FSX Deluxe with the Acceleration expansion pack and an i7 920 overclocked to 4.2GHz with 6GB of RAM and Windows 64bit. (GPU is an XFX 5870)

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Hello Mark,Welcome to a wonderful new hobby :( It all starts with the basics. The default FSX aircraft are pretty good to start getting the hang of it. It's not only about programming the FMS and getting the hang of all the buttons and switches, but most of all about flying the thing.If you're confident you have covered the basics, one you might consider buying to get into flying heavy metal, is the Quality Wings 757. I bought it myself and if indepth system simulation is not what you're looking for, the QW757 is really good. See www.qwsim.comIf you want to spend some more time getting the basics, make sure you visit the Carenado boys. They'll bring you a full hangar of excellent General Aviation aircraft. Check www.carenado.comHope this helps.


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I'd recommend to forget about payware airplanes for the moment: FSX has some nice default planes which can do what you want! No need to spend extra money on stuff you obviously aren't ready for yet. :( Flying isn't about being able to push some buttons and use the autopilot: you have to learn how to fly a plane yourself and then gradually you should start to use more advanced options and stuff. FSX has some great tutorials to get you started: spend some time with those and the default planes (which offer more than enough). First get the hang of flying with small (default FSX) aircraft and then progress to the bigger ones. And when you actually know what you are doing, you might look for some addon planes that offer more. Starting with airliners and the autopilot and trying to autoland is the way to go if you want to get bored with FSX pretty quickly imho. :(

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here are a few:www.aerosoft.comwww.eaglesoftdg.comwww.flight1.comwww.fsd-international.comwww.realairsimulations.com (the Duke is a nice easy GA to fly)

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I would take a browse these places, you can trust all of these sites:http://secure.simmarket.com/default-en.htmlhttp://www.fspilotshop.com/http://www.flight1.com/http://www.aerosoft.com/shop-re/home1.htmlhttp://www.justflight.com/One of the best places to browse around, is the simmarket store listed above, but if you find something you like, look on other sites too, as they aren't always the cheapest place to buy from. And don't forget that Avsim has a store too of course.If you want a reasonably capable, but fairly friendly airliner, I would recommend looking at the ones from Sky Simulations and Commercial Level Simulations, and a good place to start for that, would be either the home site of those companies, or the Just Flight website listed above, which has a lot of CLS stuff. Links for those company websites:http://www.skysimulations.com/http://www.commerciallevel.com/Al


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Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply and for giving me links. I will look into those and I will also take more time into learning to fly with what I already have. I re-read my post and it does kinda sound like I'm trying to run before I can walk!The tutorials in FSX seem a bit limited. I've done all the beginner tutorials, but the highest they go up to seem to be where the co-pilot just tells you to do everything. Things like using the ATC window and learning about ILS approaches I've just learned myself by watching YouTube clips. I must admit though, I haven't done the missions yet, so maybe they go more into that and I just haven't done it yet.I really want to get to the point where I can start from a gate with a cold-start and start-up and taxi to the runway and takeoff and land etc. I guess the reason I'm looking for a really decent payware plane from the beginning is because I want a really nice plane that I can grow with and that I can get to know inside out and be happy flying with from easy flights to more complex flights. The tutorials and missions just seem to put you into a different plane each time and I just find that confusing.It's fun learning though and yes....this is such a great hobby! :(

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Yeah I'd check out the learning center and follow some tutorial missions first.If you can't navigate to an airport without an ILS or VOR you're overlooking the basics....Here's a helpful site (check tutorials at bottom):http://stoenworks.com/Aviation%20home%20page.htmlOnce you do get things squared away start with general aviation. Some of the best are...RealAir's Dukehttp://realairsimulations.com/duke09/intro...ge=duke09_introEaglesoft's SR22http://www.eaglesoftdg.com/CirrusSR22G2_G3T.htmCarenado's FSX line:http://www.carenado.com/ecommerce/buscador.php3?categoria=19Moving up to Flight1's Mustanghttp://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=f1mustangThe quick and nimble Lotus L39http://lotussim.com/Eaglesoft Citation Xhttp://www.eaglesoftdg.com/CitationX_20.htmPMDG's jet series (soon to include B737)http://precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/md11.htmlYou won't want to touch PMDG's birds until you have mastered IFR flying etc etc. They require studying hehe. Same goes for the Citation X from Eaglesoft. The others are not too hard with a quick skim of the manual.


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Considering the goals you have set for yourself, one thing I think would be a good way to tackle stuff if you like airliners, would be to get hold of the FeelThere/Wilco Pilot in Command Boeing 737, and then get the Aviation and Mission add-on which is available for it. If you read the Aviation and Mission review here on Avsim, I think it might be something that would be up your street. It is one of the most innovative uses of the FS mission system as a training tool that any developer has attempted thus far.That review can be found here: http://www.avsim.com/pages/0409/Wilco/AM.htmFurther to that, I'd also recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Boeing-700-Fl...s/dp/0936283106As others have said, there is no substitute for some basic 'stick and rudder' skills and practice with the default FS Cessna 172 either. Doing that will stand you in good stead for any FS add-on aeroplane.Al


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You guys are so helpful! I keep looking at the sites you mentioned and some of the aircraft and I feel so tempted to push the "buy now" button on all of them! I haven't of course!!I will definitely have a look at those tutorials and practice more and try to stop myself from buying something new!Al, I had a look at those programs from Wilco before because I really liked the sound of the tutorial angle along with missions, but I remember seeing them listed on a site where they said they were specifically for 32bit Windows and wouldn't work on 64bit.....I did just check their website though and it says they're compatible with Win 7 32 & 64bit so maybe that other site is out of date...it's www.flightsimstore.com.....I'll do some more research on them because that package does sound very tempting!!Thanks again everyone!Mark

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If you want to know I bought the citation from wilco and it sucks... buy the Eaglesoft one when you get a chance to learn all the stuff. But the wilco ones do run on Vista x64 at least in my experience.


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Yeah, the more I read about Eaglesoft's Citation X and reviews by people that have that one, I'm kinda regretting getting the Wilco one. It's a pity you can't exchange downloads! :( Anyway, after going through all the links provided here and reading some more reviews I decided to go ahead and get Realair's Duke B60 and so far I love it!! It looks stunning and I really like the controls....not too complex! I really like the way you can dial in altitude settings etc by using the mouse wheel. I am going to get away from using the AP for a while though because I think this will be a good plane to fly totally manually as it doesn't seem too difficult to control.Now I'm going to work on my visual approaches, so I don't get dependent on the AP and get bored with the whole thing! :( Thanks for all the advice and recommendations!Mark

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As others, I recommend trying out the default aircraft for a while to get the hang of things. Most of all, before learning how to use the autopilot, learn how to hand fly the aircraft. Learn to land the default aircraft on a visual approach. Over the years I have encountered many occasions where things are not right on approach - bad atc instructions, misaligned ILS and general strange stuff - FSX isn't perfect and everyone encounters something from time to time. If you know how to land the aircraft in visual conditions, you can always switch off the AP and land. This is the way pilots learn how to fly. You should do the same. Try some of the lessons.Once you learn how to hand fly the aircraft, learn how the default AP operates. Once you are comforatble with the default 737, here are a couple sites (mentioned already).Commercial Level Simulations - these aircraft will operate in a similar manner to the default jets. They look a lot nicer but they are a easy transition from the default 737.Next would be the Quality Wings 757. It is more advanced than the CLS stuff but if you are comfortable with CLS and want to advance, their 757 is a nice transition in to the complicated stuff. Visually, the aircraft is top notch.Once you are comfortable with the QW757, step up to PMDG.


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Welcome aboard, you will be impressed with the hobby!I'd recommend:www.captainsim.comwww.carenado.comwww.realairsimulations.com


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Anyway, after going through all the links provided here and reading some more reviews I decided to go ahead and get Realair's Duke B60 and so far I love it!! It looks stunning and I really like the controls....not too complex! I really like the way you can dial in altitude settings etc by using the mouse wheel.
Ahh the Duke - one of the BEST planes for FSX. They are also working on a version retrofitted with turbine engines.... based on these guys at Royal Turbine:http://www.royalturbine.com/performance.htmlAnother great but relatively simple plane (simple to fly I should say not on features hehe) is the Flight1 Mustang. The glass cockpit is quite amazing really. You should have a beefy PC to run it well:http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=f1mustang

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