as the 175 and 195 are larger than the 170 and 190 this statement is false.

Really man, lets have some common sense, of course there gonna be the size of the 195 and 175 but the model is just going to be based off the 170 and 190, so everything that you dont like or like about the 170 or 190 will be in the new 75 and 95.

the model is just going to be based off the 170 and 190, so everything that you dont like or like about the 170 or 190 will be in the new 75 and 95.

the model is 'based' on the real-world 175s and 195s.--

I was all set to buy this, and the deluxe pack or whatever it is that included all the extra McPhat liveries, but all this talk of glaring flaws in something thats been out quite a while is putting me right off.

glaring flaws in something thats been out quite a while is putting me right off.

comments by one user ... that is one of two that have ever made comment about the 170, 190 or lineage winglets.comments about one user about POV shots from real world that are from a different POV than in-game.comments about a product that is in beta ... meaning only the development team and beta testers are using the 175 and 195.have you noticed there are no comments about how the plane FLYS, or the FMS, or the panel function and system modeling?? last time i flew i remember being inside the cockpit not standing 2' from a wingtip.--

I was all set to buy this, and the deluxe pack or whatever it is that included all the extra McPhat liveries, but all this talk of glaring flaws in something thats been out quite a while is putting me right off.

That's probably a mistake...again, see my earlier post in this thread -- I don't consider the flaws "glaring" at all and have flown this aircraft for dozens of hours. It's a very fine simulation, the best out there for these regional jets. The VA I fly for (see my signature block below) includes many other virtual pilots (some of whom are RL pilots too) that enjoy this add-on.I have no affiliation whatsoever with feelThere except as a customer.

I Have the e-jets V2 the regional ones and I think it's a nice simulation, lots of fun to fly and the FMC is pretty complex with a lot of different functions. Not as good as PMDG J41 but it's not far off, and it's easier to fly for me from a systems point of view. Very user friendly planes these Ejets. My only gripe is having to pay for a lot of the repaints, as you don't get that many with the basic package, ie none for the 145XR (well the embraer house colours, but that doesn't count imho)Paul

I was all set to buy this, and the deluxe pack or whatever it is that included all the extra McPhat liveries, but all this talk of glaring flaws in something thats been out quite a while is putting me right off.

Don't get me wrong - what's frustrating about FT isn't that they are "no good" or incapable of putting together a great add-on for FSX, they actually have the talent to be up there with the best. However, product after product, year after year, they release things where annoyances persist. Of course, "one man's trash is another man's treasure," as the saying goes, but I remain a frustrated long-term "patron" of their "arts." I admit this is more my problem as, given my dissatisfaction, I should have discontinued my patronage long ago. However, where else am I going to get one of the Jungle Jets? Nowhere else. Where else I am going to get an FMC-enabled Airbus series for FSX? Nowhere else. Where else I am going to get the "Guppy" classic series for FSX? Nowhere else. FT/Wilco release passable products in a timely fashion. So, caveat emptor applies. However, it is difficult to accuse FT of releasing "trash" as most of their products are above average. However, their history with Wilco is a very regrettable customer service nightmare and every product I've purchased from FT/Wilco (Airbus series for FSX; Caravan; 737 PIC; CRT; E-Jet series; ERJ v1 and v2; Legacy; 777) each had some never-fixed annoyance. FT remains on the cusp of top-level greatness in the market (LDS; PMDG; FSL) but they never quite reach it despite being so capable of doing so. The folks that work there will understandably be put off by this and will pull support shenanigans at their forums and a "go ask your father" routine with Wilco (when they partner with them), so you have to gain perspective. I am a frequent vocal critic in the same way a Red Sox fan may have been disappointed in that team from 1918 - 2004: I know FT are capable of better and they leave me frequently confused. Your Mileage May Vary, as the saying goes, and for some, I'm sure the FT products are a Nirvana. Make no mistake, the products in question (the ERJ-170 and ERJ-190) are great in many ways, but once you spend time with it, the annoyances may creep up depending on what you are used to. To summarize: Most FT products are pretty good and certainly above average. If you want to be in a Jungle Jet - you'll probably be pleased with most of the product, most of the time. However, depending on your standards, there are flaws that may become so annoying that it is hard to take them out of the hangar at times.

I have the Ejets, and it may be a case of ignorance being bliss, but I can't think of any disappointments with them, maybe a couple of niggles.I am passably familiar with the differences between the Ejets and the ERJs; my question about whether they were worth a separate purchase went mainly to whether I would be getting much the same "feel" (there?) from each one. Do they share the same cockpit, for instance, the same instrumentation? That can be a good thing (as with the 757 and 767: you learn two for the price of, well, two, but the time it takes for one).What are the big improvements over the Ejet generation?

I have the Ejets, and it may be a case of ignorance being bliss, but I can't think of any disappointments with them, maybe a couple of niggles.I am passably familiar with the differences between the Ejets and the ERJs; my question about whether they were worth a separate purchase went mainly to whether I would be getting much the same "feel" (there?) from each one. Do they share the same cockpit, for instance, the same instrumentation? That can be a good thing (as with the 757 and 767: you learn two for the price of, well, two, but the time it takes for one).What are the big improvements over the Ejet generation?

There are many similarities between the 135-145 family and the 170-195 family such that, like with Boeing, you won't be totally lost at all. There are some things about FT/Wilco's 170 and 190 that are very cool and, presumably, are a part of the real deal: the MFD LCD displays in the center console have a very cool "touch screen" style of interaction which is more like operating a computer than the traditional CDU style of interaction. So, they don't quite share the exact same cockpit, but they do share a similar cockpit style and design.Of course they share a similar mission in that they are both RJs, but the 170-195 product are knocking on the 737-600, 737-500, A318, and A319's door.Both (ERJ V2 and the E-Jets) are plenty of fun where it counts. The MFDs are outstanding and the flight models are fun to hand-fly in both cases.

What are the big improvements over the Ejet generation?

do you mean how are the Ejet 170, 175, 190, 195 and lineage different from the ERJ 135, 145, XRJ and legacy?or how is the ERJv2 release different than the older Ejet 'v1' product?

my question about whether they were worth a separate purchase went mainly to whether I would be getting much the same "feel" (there?) from each one.

the Ejets are larger, in general faster, and have complete LNAV, VNAV and autothrottle control.

Do they share the same cockpit

close enough to look like they come from the same family ... but different because the ejet has a modern design with more capabilities.

, for instance, the same instrumentation?

similar. same family of FMS (honeywell). the PFD and MFD are very different because of VNAV ability in the Ejets. the ejets also have Cursor Control Device (think mouse) that can be used on the PFD, MFD and EICAS screens.

you learn two for the price of, well, two, but the time it takes for one).

a ERJ pilot will feel 'at home' in an ejet. there is significant differences between how the aircraft function.--