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I've been reading a lot of posts and visiting the nVidia site to read the specs of various video cards. It occurs to me that the nVidia GeF4x00 series being only DirectX8 compliant may be the cause of a lot of our problems. Mine especially. Some have been able to download and use the older 30.82 drivers that seem to give good servce in FS9. My GeForce4200Ti AGP8X can't use the 30.82 drivers so I'm using the new 45.23s. Unfortunately, I'm getting stutters on take off and freezes on approaching my arrival airport.Bottom line for me is I'm ordering a new nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra card tomorrow. I can get one for under $100 and it's DirectX9 compliant. Next, I'll have to upgrade from Windows 98Se to XP Home and add the extra stick of DDR333 SDRAM I bought earlier. Hopefully, that will give me smooth flights.Is everyone who is reporting SMOOTH flying in FS9 using a DirectX9 compliant video card? ATI 9700/9800; nVidia GeForce FX....?? Just a thought.

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My flying is smooth, I have "GeForce 4 Ti 4200 AGP 2x" running Direct 9B and everything is smooth.

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Windows XP must be the key, then.. Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and upgrade that first! Thanks for the input.

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I would try XP first Steve, even if it doesnt work out, XP still works a lot better then 98 ever did for me.

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XP Home gave me a huge boost in frame rates. And it's much more stable.

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STeve, again we meet...different post!I use the 44.03 drivers. I have found these to be the best of all I have tried. The newest drivers did not improve, and even hindered my graphics when I tried em. Just some info for ya....Harry

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Iv got smooth flying but my cards not DX9 complient Im just useing a gf2 mx-400 64mb card... and FS9 is smoother than fs2002 ... go figure?

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With FS9 installed on a Dual Boot PC ,using WinME and WinXP(Separate copy of FS9 on each drive) the frame rates in XP are anything up to 25% better than WinME in identical situations.Get XP.System-->AMD Athlon 2000XP (@133/133)ECS K7S5A Mobo 3.1 :04/29/02 Rev BiosSiS 735 Chipset Rev 12 x 256mb DDR RAMGeforce4 Ti-4200-8x 128mb DDR AGPAGP 1.16 WHQL . 4403 Detonator XP Drivers(WinXP).4345(WinME)2 x Maxtor 40GB HDD (7200rpm)LG 8x4x32 BurnerLG 52xDirect X 9.0 Windows ME/ Windows XP dual boot(ME on C:.XP on E:both on IDE-0/HDD1.HDD2 is Storage)BIOS Settings- DRAM Timing Ultra. CAS Latency 3T,RAS ACtive 6T,RAS Precharge 3TL1 Cache Enabled.L2 Cache Enabled.Sys BIOS Cache Disabled.DRAM Drive Slew Rating - Fast

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Stev, I do not think it is your card (unless it is defective..) a lot of us are flying with Ti4200s with very good results..

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I just talked to my PC Builder and a clean install on a reformatted NTFS drive will run me around $300. (That's $200 for Win XP Home Full Install + Labor & tax).... Looks like later this week/early next week. I've got to back up everything on my HD on CDs and reinstall all my programs. He will also instlal my extra stick of DDR333. When I'm done, I'll have Win XP + 1 Gb of DDR333 SDRAM and if that doesn't run FS9 nearly perfectly --- well, then it's time for the Soundblaster Live card to go. A new Audigy card is less than $100....... That's all I've got left to upgrade. It'd better work or :-fume.....

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I got Soundblaster Live card and it works great for me.

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That's very good to hear. I'm now 99% sure that when I go to Win XP everything will be much better..... At least, it sounds like I will not have to change audio or video cards...Thanks :-wave

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Steve, Here is my system:Windows XP PRO, Latest DirectX installed, P4 2.53 GHZ 533, Asus Gforce4 TI4200 128 mb 8X Nvidia official 45.23 drivers, ASUS P4P800 BOARD 8X, 512 RAMNo stutters on take off, NO freezes on approaching airport, No Crash.-Many problems I have seen here, such as freezes, crash, dramatic frame drop, I am not able to reproduce those with in my system.Windows XP more stable and better OS for any application, it handle much better the memory than Win98/Me and no ressource problems. If your sounds card cause problems, disable the sound hardware acceleration in direct X or download the Directx.CPL and disable the Debug output level to full left.In my case the soundcard is built in the motherboard, 6.1 channel, when I press Q to mute the sound, I have the same frame rate when the sound is enabled, I have not a single fps lost, it`s depend on each card type, configuration etc. http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/32996.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/32999.jpgThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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Thats what I have done with my SB Live Card, set the Direct Sound Acceleration to Basic when I run FS, have the sound quality in FS set to low, I have not been able to here any difference between High, Med or Low, nor when I Change the acceleration, the only thing is on Basic it is not as loud, so just turn the speakers up a little, I also changed Sample Rate Converion Quality from Best to Good.http://members.shaw.ca/kstangrecki/sound.jpg

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I am running on WIN98 SE here and honestly its a clean system and its been very stable for me. I will be upgrading soon, but so far this sim still runs darn good on my computer. I am seeing some issues in these forums that happen on all OS's and all card types so I doubt thats the issue with your system Steve. A fresh format and reinstall wont hurt though. After a week long bout of tweaking, reading, tweaking..etc I am happily running midrange sliders at 25fps and its darn near stutterless at this point. All in 1280 res and 4XFSAA and 16X Aniso! My dad has XPhome and I honestly have never noticed a truly measurable increase in frame rates over my 98 system with like games etc. he just got a new dell, and frankly in several games etc, his frame rates are not as good as mine with a very simlar set-up. I think 98 gets a bum rap on a lot of occasions because the average user just doesn't know how to keep it healthy.Hornit

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Thanks Chris & Kurt, I think that Win XP is my answer for sure. I've set my Sound acceleration to Basic in DirectX and to Medium in the Sim. I don't hear any degredation in the quality of the sound at these levels. I did try one flight with the sound in the sim to "OFF" and I still had the stutters. That rules out the Soundblaster Live card, I believe.

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"I did try one flight with the sound in the sim to "OFF" and I still had the stutters. That rules out the Soundblaster Live card, I believe."The device needs to be REMOVED from the system in order for this soundcard test to be valid. Either disable it in Device Manager or physically remove it from the system.I agree with Hornit... I would do clean reinstall (format HD and install) of Win 98 before I go off and poor more money into an OS. JohnCi mentioned to you last week that he believed something is amiss in your OS install... and I bekieve a fresh install of Win98 will prove him correct.

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Hi Hornit, "My dad has XPhome and I honestly have never noticed a truly measurable increase in frame rates over my 98 system with like games etc. he just got a new dell, and frankly in several games etc, his frame rates are not as good as mine with a very simlar set-up.I think 98 gets a bum rap on a lot of occasions because the average user just doesn't know how to keep it healthy.`It`s depend what`s you are doing also,I have used WIN98 SE full updated in the past for many years, I never have program running in background, I can`t accept a Os when the ressouce drop after couple of paint, music application, games used, windows opened and the ressource drop to 75% or lower, the entire Os performance degrade alot, not acceptable when you use for many hours, the performance degrade even lower and lower with more time, you will see when you do a right click on my computer, properties and see the ressource available, need to restart again for having at least 90%, it make no sens at all. None of these problems where available with windows 2000 and XP. Opens tons of application with windows XP, no problems on ressource after 2 weeks running Windows XP with no restart.ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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Hi Chris, I'm using an Nvidia 4200Ti 128MB card which is not DX9 compliant. Also, with Geoffa's little FS9.cfg trick I am getting fps of 15-25 most of the time with 3d clouds 80% and get this I have autogen slider all the way to the left because I find my frame rates go down as it is moved to the right. Don't understand that one, but I'll take it. Scenery complex is Very dense to get the most out of airports. For bigger centers (city's) of course my fps drop considerably to 6 -14 or so. But all in all I'm happy with the normal flight fps. Autogen turned off...hmmmm....wow. I love it.Tom Stewart

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I have an old TNT2 card and would like to upgrade to Nvidia Ti card, but I can't find then any were. Looked at BestBuy and CompUSA. Or are the FX cards better.Want to spend $100 -$150.Any other suggestions

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Yep I am running winXP Pro... I used to run Win2000 pro should have mentioned that.

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>The device needs to be REMOVED from the system in order for this soundcard test to be valid

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Steve,Before you go to the expense of XP and reformats etc check 2 things.If you are happy about going into your PC case check that your sound card is not in the slot next to the AGP port. If it is it needs moving because it is sharing the IRQ with the graphics card and that is not usually a good thing.You can also check what IRQ it is using by opening Device Manager and checking in there.It is while since I ran Win98 but I think you can see the IRQs of each device by double clicking on the 'computer' (or 'My Computer') icon at the top of the list in Device Manager.HTH and best of luck.

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