Now that the NGX lights are closing in I am thinking about investing in proper harware (yoke and throttles) to enjoy the Boeing.I am using Saitek Yoke. And I am hopelessly dissapointed. I have 3 pieces at home. One broke down, one was the replacement and one I had to purchase together with the others because they simply were not performing... Anyway..When browsing the net I came across with this:http://www.flypfc.co...n_id=29&dn_id=2Did any of you gents have tried it or heard anything about these?It seems like a very nice investment but I would not go for it untill I gather more information.Your opinions will be much appretiated here...

While this is the first time hearing of this model and it looks great! I have had in the past the AFCS II flight yoke produced by them. I loved it, the solid metal feeling and the spring tensions were nice although unrealistic in returning to center etc and it also came with a separate throttle. However it was a gameport model though so can't use anymore, it would be amazing for the NGX and future B777 ( I used to use it for the PMDG 777 in original Fly! flight sim )

Hi,PFC makes some of the best hardware addons for flightsim. I have their Jetliner Column Yoke and would not use anything else. This is their web site, sub page yokes.http://www.flypfc.com/index.php?m_id=2&d_id=29I would absolutely do business with this company again!.

Hi,PFC makes some of the best hardware addons for flightsim. I have their Jetliner Column Yoke and would not use anything else. This is their web site, sub page yokes.http://www.flypfc.co...?m_id=2&d_id=29I would absolutely do business with this company again!.

Do you have the 737 or the Saab version? How does it feel, resistance wise? With all those cheap plastic joystick I am lacking heaviness and just the right feel. Nothing comes even close to anything real apart from the good old Thrustmaster maybe, which definately was another league when compared to these Saitek devices etc.Does it have some sort of 'force feedback' or at least like an elevator feel mechanism, adjusting resistance as you travel faster or slower? Do you have to attach it to something on the ground or is it heavy enough it will just be able to stand free?Thanks for more info!

Hi,I have the Saab, the 737 was not available when I purchased the yoke. I just got it back about a month or so ago. I had the entire unit refurbished. They replaced everything: the wires, buttons, rocker switches and controller board. This is by far the best yoke I've ever owned bar none!!!. The push/pull resistance is obtained by a series of six (on each side) springs that do a nice job of giving you heavy resistance. The yoke does not come with force feedback. The unit I have sits on my rug and does not move during use, its heavy enough to stay in place. If I had to guess the weight I would say its between 30 and 40lbs.PFC yokes use to come with a separate single engine throttle that connected to a separate game controller board on the back of the yoke, when the unit was returned (after the refurbish) the game controller board was gone and I had no way to use the throttle. I'm guessing the new column yokes do not come with a throttle anymore.At first I was a little ticked off, because no one told me the upgrade (replaced controller board) would remove my ability to use the PFC throttle. But it just forced me to buy my Boeing throttle quad a little sooner, which is also a fantastic product from VRAC. But that's another $1,240.00 story. :( If I had the ability to change anything about the PFC yoke or any yoke for that matter, I would dump the pots and replace them with optical encoders. This would raise the cost of the yokes considerably, but the yokes precision would be taken to a whole new level. Don't get me wrong, the pots are fine, I'm just a stickler for the extreme.When its all said and done, I am very happy with the yoke and company, they make a quality product and I would gladly do business with them again.

Do you have the 737 or the Saab version? How does it feel, resistance wise? With all those cheap plastic joystick I am lacking heaviness and just the right feel. Nothing comes even close to anything real apart from the good old Thrustmaster maybe, which definately was another league when compared to these Saitek devices etc.Does it have some sort of 'force feedback' or at least like an elevator feel mechanism, adjusting resistance as you travel faster or slower? Do you have to attach it to something on the ground or is it heavy enough it will just be able to stand free?Thanks for more info!

Michael -Thanks for the additional info, very interesting! Although the price tag will certainly prevent me from doing any biz with them anytime soon haha...

Michael thank you for the input.I was actually looking at the one witch goes on the table. And I wondered whether the additional throttles from PFC would work together with this yoke.The one with the column is going to be too bulky at the moment, and I might need to cut the table a bit in order to get the full movement forward-backward.Somewhere in the future I will have a home made cockpit and then I would go for the big boy...

This is great stuff. I have been looking for a yoke like this for a while now. Searched "Boeing Yoke" in Google and never found PFC. I too have tried the Saitek Yoke and found it to be just rotten. I currently use the Saitek X52 pro, which I do like, execpt that it is unrealistic to fly a Boeing 767 with a stick, and the throttle that goes with it is lefthanded. PFC looks like great stuff.

Yep.. I have found the PFC from another user post in other forum while searching for solution how to fix the stupid Saitek.And with the google I bimped into this too:http://www.737yoke.com/Gosh with the NGX coming up I know I will be dedicated flyer of a 737 for quite a while, so why not.....Anybody else using those?

I too have tried the Saitek Yoke and found it to be just rotten. I currently use the Saitek X52 pro, which I do like, execpt that it is unrealistic to fly a Boeing 767 with a stick, and the throttle that goes with it is lefthanded. PFC looks like great stuff.

Gosh, forget that Yoke. As you said, it's a piece of junk to say the least. It could probably not get any worse. The throttle is probably a tad more useful but heck, check out that plastic toy feel and looks, ouch. If you want a decent stick, I would kindly point you to the good old Thrustmaster. I haven't tried it with the sim but despite its age it simply set itself apart from all other sticks on the market (IMHO!), simply due to its incredible weight, and rocking solid appereance. Byebye plastic feel. :(

Yep.. I have found the PFC from another user post in other forum while searching for solution how to fix the stupid Saitek.And with the google I bimped into this too:http://www.737yoke.com/Gosh with the NGX coming up I know I will be dedicated flyer of a 737 for quite a while, so why not.....Anybody else using those?

No not using, unfortunately. Now that look is just right, except for the trim switch, unfortunately... That thing weighs a whoppin 27 kgs, seems just about right! :( Anyways, I am more than curious as to what "Realistic tension loading" and "Realistic Aircraft Feel" means.I have been to 737NG maintenance once and I believe I remember that (under hydraulic pressure!) the aileron feel will always be about the same regardless of speed while the elevators have the well-known elevator feel mechanism. That would be something cool to have on a yoke for sure. But good springs would probably do the job as well.Definately another story when the hyd is off haha... But I have to say I was totally blown away how conventional the 737 really is. I certainly did know about manual reversion, but you could even grab the ailerons themselves, move them with astounding ease, and they would move the yokes in the cockpit, just like on my C152!! I was amazed, folks.

Gosh, forget that Yoke.

And this one from flight illusion, too. recently saw the news on avsim. If I had the money I would go for that one....http://www.flightillusion.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=ilvm_fly_admirable.tpl&product_id=87&category_id=26&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=58Phil

Wow, given the fact it's just as expensive as the full 737 yoke posted above... But looks sturdy and robust to me. Not exactly the Boeing design, but I feel in case you fly something else occasionally it's not quite a downside at all, being a tad more generic. Good trim switches too, plus the control load thing. Great package for sure.

Yep. Plus force feedback. Unless you meant that by mentioning the control load thing.Phil

Yep. Plus force feedback. Unless you meant that by mentioning the control load thing.Phil

Yeah, that's precisely what I meant. In that Elite device that I got to fly with quite a bit it was called control load, for whatever reason. Force feedback is likely the more common term for PC hardware. Don't care how it is called though as long as the forces are strong enough (realistic, of course). :(

Phil, thanks for the info! The Flight Illusions 737 yoke looks great and the video showing the yoke following the autopilot movements is stunning (

).But it seems like it is a brand new product and like every new product (e.g. Iphone4) it is a good idea to read someones review before jumping in. 1300EUR is serious investment indeed...Now I can't help but wonder PFC or Flight Illusions......?......... And what about throttles?? PFC Throttle console, or the one which Michael said is using?...