What is best mesh, payware or freeware, for: 1)Whole world2)Specific regions ie, Asia, Europe, Oceania, Australia, USA, South America etc etc etcI want best quality for where i fly, so if the whole world one isn't as good compared to getting specific regions then let me know.Apparently some freeware mesh is better than payware, is this true?How do you judge mesh, what do you look for? What is: SRTM data (3 arc/sec), sampled to LOD9 resolution (76m) etc? Is smaller the meters the better, ie 76m would be better than 90m?Can you suggest some good mesh, payware or freeware. Also explain how to choose best mesh and clarify me on my mesh concerns.Can you also post some screen shots of your suggestions...would really appreciate itThx

What is best mesh, payware or freeware, for: 1)Whole world2)Specific regions ie, Asia, Europe, Oceania, Australia, USA, South America etc etc etcI want best quality for where i fly, so if the whole world one isn't as good compared to getting specific regions then let me know.Apparently some freeware mesh is better than payware, is this true?How do you judge mesh, what do you look for? What is: SRTM data (3 arc/sec), sampled to LOD9 resolution (76m) etc? Is smaller the meters the better, ie 76m would be better than 90m?Can you suggest some good mesh, payware or freeware. Also explain how to choose best mesh and clarify me on my mesh concerns.Can you also post some screen shots of your suggestions...would really appreciate itThx

Take a look at http://fsgenesis.com/Jim D.

I bought both of the FSGenesis "bundles" (FS9 & FSX) before they were discontinued. That covers most of the world at 76m and a lot of areas at 38m (38m is higher resolution mesh, BTW). He doesn't have the bundles anymore but I think you can still get the "North America 2 DVD set" for around $35. I spend 99.9% of my time flying in the Western US, so I also bought the 19m individual US states packages to cover everything from the Rockies west and also British Columbia.Here's a couple screens, I think this was near Grand Junction, Colorado:Jim

Wow Jim, I must say your screenshots empressed me ! I might consider this in the near future ;)

Cool screenshots! So mesh is mountain textures and stuff and landclass is the ground textures like farms? So to have a great effect, we must get both landclass and mesh huh.

Cool screenshots! So mesh is mountain textures and stuff and landclass is the ground textures like farms? So to have a great effect, we must get both landclass and mesh huh.

Mesh is elevation data only - no textures. Landclass tells the sim what textures are to be used in a given area. Ultimate Terrain and GEPro (among other products) provide textures and UT provides road, railroad, river, coast, and landclass data.DJ

Mesh is elevation data only - no textures. Landclass tells the sim what textures are to be used in a given area. Ultimate Terrain and GEPro (among other products) provide textures and UT provides road, railroad, river, coast, and landclass data.DJ

So GEPro is landclass for the whole world? Does landclass come in large file sizes? Sorry, just wondering, but for example mesh would come in large file sizes which would show thw whole world is being covered, since large files would mean more files so large coverage, but is 300mb GEPro gonna be the whole world or just a few places? Is landclass supposed to come in small file sizes?Is UT USA and UT Europre landclass? Or does it just add roads as you've stated? What do you mean by "landclass data"?

GePro is only textures, just .bmps that get used in place of the default ones. Landclass is what tells the sim which bitmap to use in a certain location and yes, landclass typically has a very small file size.UT USA (I don't know about UT Europe) does come with enhanced landclass for cities and towns, you can enable/disable it in the UT configurator. It just patches in some cities and towns overtop of the default landclass is all. It doesn't do anything for unpopulated areas, there you'll still see the default landclass "showing through".I think if you wind up buying the FSGenesis North America package, he'll throw in his "US National Landclass Project" too, only you'll have to visit the site and download it because it doesn't come on the DVDs. If not it's only a few bucks and < 3 MB to download.Jim

Can you tell me if I can get the world packages from anywhere? I would like to cover the whole world. So you must get both landclass and GEPro for a good effect. Landclass tells the sim which GEPro textures to use huh? Is that what you mean?GEPro isn't landclass ay.

There is also FSGlobal 2010 available which I believe covers most of the planet at 76m with some areas covered at 38m. I don't know anything about it but I think someone recently posted some screenshots of it (maybe FSX though?) in the flightsim.com screenshots forum. I thought it looked very good in the screenshots. I don't believe there is any high-res mesh available though, i.e. 19m or 9.6m.I tend to favor the FSGenesis product if for no other reason than because I've gotten so much enjoyment out of his freeware meshes over the years. To go the FSGenesis route you'd need to purchase 4 seperate Regional DVD sets. You get the world buffer terrain DVD free with the purchase of any regional DVD set. If you buy all 4 sets at once you get 30% off the total. Check out the page linked below:http://www.fsgenesis.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=DVD9After you purchase the regional DVD set(s) the files you purchased will also become available to you for download from the FSG site. Check here first and see if the "US National Landclass Project" has become available to you (I think it was in my case, can't remember), if so download and install it, if not, go here and purchase it, after which it will be available for download.http://www.fsgenesis.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=LC04After you've got that installed add the 19m "icing on the cake" meshes of your choice from this page:http://www.fsgenesis.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=9mThere are alternatives to Gepro also, Bird's Eye View, FSScene, etc, but GEPro has the capability of colorizing custom texture sets according to your preferance. I thought the default GEPro texture sets were a little under-saturated for example, so I made up a custom set where I cranked up the saturation and contrast a bit.

Landclass tells the sim which GEPro textures to use huh? Is that what you mean?

Yep, exactly :(

GEPro isn't landclass ay

Nope, it's terrain textures (and it includes an assortment of sky textures too).Jim

There is also FSGlobal 2010 available which I believe covers most of the planet at 76m with some areas covered at 38m. I don't know anything about it but I think someone recently posted some screenshots of it (maybe FSX though?) in the flightsim.com screenshots forum. I thought it looked very good in the screenshots. I don't believe there is any high-res mesh available though, i.e. 19m or 9.6m.I tend to favor the FSGenesis product if for no other reason than because I've gotten so much enjoyment out of his freeware meshes over the years. To go the FSGenesis route you'd need to purchase 4 seperate Regional DVD sets. You get the world buffer terrain DVD free with the purchase of any regional DVD set. If you buy all 4 sets at once you get 30% off the total. Check out the page linked below:http://www.fsgenesis...egory_Code=DVD9After you purchase the regional DVD set(s) the files you purchased will also become available to you for download from the FSG site. Check here first and see if the "US National Landclass Project" has become available to you (I think it was in my case, can't remember), if so download and install it, if not, go here and purchase it, after which it will be available for download.http://www.fsgenesis...egory_Code=LC04After you've got that installed add the 19m "icing on the cake" meshes of your choice from this page:http://www.fsgenesis...ategory_Code=9m

So if I get the 4 DVDs then only does the US National Landclass Project come into play? And it only updates USA mesh for which regions? Also does the World Buffer Terrain DVD do what the name says? Does it include USA textures too or are those separate to USA regions i.e. covers the whole world apart from USA.

So if I get the 4 DVDs then only does the US National Landclass Project come into play?It's more like 5 DVDs and 5 CDs plus the world buffer DVD, or at least that's what I got when I bought the bundle. The landclass can be used with or without the mesh.And it only updates USA mesh for which regions?I don't understand the question, did you visit any of the links I posted? The site is full of maps that show what areas are covered.Also does the World Buffer Terrain DVD do what the name says?Yes, it buffers really well :(Does it include USA textures too or are those separate to USA regions i.e. covers the whole world apart from USAIt contains no textures at all, that's a GEPro thing, remember?Jim

So first get the "US national landclass project" then add 19m mesh. What does the landclass project do? It's <3 mb??? Will i have to buy the 19m mesh afterwards or is that free once you get the project?What if you only get the mesh not the landclass project, is the landclass project of any significance to the mesh?Anyway to get just the world buffer mesh for free without having to buy the DVDs? What resolution is this mesh in. Can you give me details of it?

Look, if you want something free why don't you forget all about everything that's been said in this thread and go download some of the old FSGenesis freeware 38m mesh and try it out. Then you can see for yourself what it does and how it changes your sim. Here's a link that should show you most of them, there may be more files available using different search terms. The payware mesh is better but the freeware is still very good:http://www.flightsim.com/file.php?cm=SEARCH1&fsec=53&fname=d38*.zipDon't ask any more questions until you've installed some of these and understand what they do. We'll worry about buffer mesh later, at this point I'm not going to introduce anything new on this topic that'll just confuse you more.Jim

For my virtual airline, I mostly fly in asia, but sometimes USA. If I want asia mesh i could go fro each fsgenesis region mesh but if i get fs global 2010 - which i believe has the same resolution at 76m for that region as fsgenesis mesh except for USA and Canade - then i get the whole world. Then I could get USA mesh from fs genesis because i believe it's better, correct?How does fs global mesh compare to fs genesis asia and other regions but not USA?PS: Can you tell me what US National Landclass Project is, and what it does etc.