Do you own one of their products? Complain all you want about their products, their planes aren't that bad at all. They are certainly far above the default plane, both in systems and modeling. The only thing they deeply fail in, is price and customer support.

Of course I own one, how could I justify my comments if it didn't. The 737 700 was in my eyes a terriable rendition of the actual aircraft in stabilty, systems and eye candy. The paint job was different from the screen shots in regard to quality, the default 737 was without a doubt better. Arianes arrogance has no bounds when dealing with them and quite frankly my money would have been better spent going towards a garden gnome with a pointy hat. To keep within the rules of this forum you will have to use your imagination where the gnome would be inserted.They remind me of the cornish plunderers who used false lighthouse beacons to lure their unsuspecting cargo onto the rocks. Lesson learned, oh yeah, only buy from reputable developers,

Isn't iFLY porting their 737NG from FS2004 to FSX? If true, now Ariane has TWO competitors to worry about for the NG. The sad fact is even with 3 NG vendors for FSX, I'm sure newbies will get suckered into the Ariane fiasco with their website alone. You gotta give them credit for their marketing spiel and the graphics on their website, sometimes pretty visuals trump vendor reputation and developer quality.

What you fail to note in your critic is that the PMDG forum is not moderated by the AVSIM staff. Your post suggests that the AVSIM moderators are biased, and that would be a flat out lie. The PMDG forums are moderated by their own staff, not AVSIM mods. We only step in if a matter is very serious and can not wait for them to handle it.

He rather meant calling any developer as "scoundrels" should not be tolerated on any Avsim forum but it is allowed here by Avsim Staff. That is what I was shocked, too!Yes, Ariane has its drawbacks but after reading some posts in this thread I am totally confused. One guy claimed that default 737 is better than Ariane plane - that is ridiculous statement and it ends any serious discussion.My opinion about Ariane is as follows: In FS9 their Boeing is better than old PMDG's 737. Now iFly 737 came in and they both may be equal but I cannot judge this not flying FS9 at all. In FSX Ariane 737s have been the only viable choice to fly realistic 737NG for many years so they did not have any competition. Now two other developers are about to release 737NGs for FSX but iFly product seems to be only a portover and thus it is not optimal FSX product. The 737NGX from PMDG may be better but you cannot ignore fact that Ariane product is constantly improved. Lately they released 737 X2.5 with many great features like radar EGPWS and they still work on 737 X3 being new aircraft in many aspects like brand-new FMS programmed from scratch. Today we don't know much about PMDG's 737NGX aside of several screens so it is not wise to claim it must be surely better than anything else in FSX. We must wait for both planes to be able to make right comparison. If I remember correctly Ariane made a tool to convert AIRACs and flight-plans which should end lack of current AIRAC support for their products.Last by not least I think Ariane planes are indeed overpriced. They should cost up to a hundred bucks at most with free liveries available. Also it is true their rigorous copyright protection system is a headache for many legal clients but at present piracy is overwhelming and small developers are much more vulnerable due to quite low amount of sales. Anyway at first one should take into account if pirating Ariane products is as easy as pirating other FSX products. If not, their policy in that matter can be right because their method of copyright protection works and guards their incomes.

He rather meant calling any developer as "scoundrels" should not be tolerated on any Avsim forum but it is allowed here by Avsim Staff. That is what I was shocked, too!Yes, Ariane has its drawbacks but after reading some posts in this thread I am totally confused. One guy claimed that default 737 is better than Ariane plane - that is ridiculous statement and it ends any serious discussion.My opinion about Ariane is as follows: In FS9 their Boeing is better than old PMDG's 737. Now iFly 737 came in and they both may be equal but I cannot judge this not flying FS9 at all. In FSX Ariane 737s have been the only viable choice to fly realistic 737NG for many years so they did not have any competition. Now two other developers are about to release 737NGs for FSX but iFly product seems to be only a portover and thus it is not optimal FSX product. The 737NGX from PMDG may be better but you cannot ignore fact that Ariane product is constantly improved. Lately they released 737 X2.5 with many great features like radar EGPWS and they still work on 737 X3 being new aircraft in many aspects like brand-new FMS programmed from scratch. Today we don't know much about PMDG's 737NGX aside of several screens so it is not wise to claim it must be surely better than anything else in FSX. We must wait for both planes to be able to make right comparison. If I remember correctly Ariane made a tool to convert AIRACs and flight-plans which should end lack of current AIRAC support for their products.Last by not least I think Ariane planes are indeed overpriced. They should cost up to a hundred bucks at most with free liveries available. Also it is true their rigorous copyright protection system is a headache for many legal clients but at present piracy is overwhelming and small developers are much more vulnerable due to quite low amount of sales. Anyway at first one should take into account if pirating Ariane products is as easy as pirating other FSX products. If not, their policy in that matter can be right because their method of copyright protection works and guards their incomes.

Here's one of the many 'issues' with Ariane, as opposed to other developers - Ariane claim that everything they produce is created from scratch, i.e. "all-new" planes, with nothing ported over from previous editions, etc. All the products are alpha-tested, beta-tested, gamma-tested, Uncle Tom Coobly-and-all-tested, so they're bug free..... Really??? When have Ariane ever put out a free update to rectify reported bugs? They don't! They simply release a 'new-from-the-ground-up version. Stuff that they've 'promised is about to get released' hardly ever materialises, or is included as part of a 'whole new product' (with associated expense) and if you complain, you're threatened etc.... You can't even join their forums unless you 'promise to be nice'.Now, name one one other serious developer with that degree of arrogance and contempt for it's customers. Judging by the past, if the PMDG rendition contains flaws, they'll fix them. They won't charge, or call the fixes product enhancements, and they certainly won't mislead you on their web site - what you see is what you'll get and what's more, they appreciate your custom!Bottom line? Personally I think that Ariane deserves what I suspect is about to hit them.Toni.

Captain Sim changed its attitude (mainly was due to language differences imo) and is now a more respected developer. Ariane is the same ol same ol and people still get suckered into buying their products.

....Can a leopard change it's spots?Take a look at the article on this link, and then read the user comments below it.Pay particular attention to the comments of Dave Steele, written only a few days ago.Then, assuming Mr Steele hasn't made his story up and is telling the truth, decide whether or not 'Ariane' deserves the reputation it's got.....http://flightsimulatorxworld.com/home-mainmenu-1/opinion/906-other/335-in-defense-of-arianeSeriously, very scary!Toni.

but iFly product seems to be only a portover and thus it is not optimal FSX product.

HelloThat is not true at all, where would you get an idea such as that.The i-Fly 737NG for FSX is being built from the ground up as a native FSX product.And it is light years ahead of the Ariane 737.I own both so I am in a good position to judge.

Now two other developers are about to release 737NGs for FSX but iFly product seems to be only a portover and thus it is not optimal FSX product.

Wrong answer. Not a "portover". Where do you get your information? IFly NG for FSX will be a true FSX plane.

To your both knowledge I have read this info here:

Isn't iFLY porting their 737NG from FS2004 to FSX? If true, now Ariane has TWO competitors to worry about for the NG.

To your both knowledge I have read this info here:

helloThey are building a new model for FSX not a portover, maybe you should ask over at the Flight1 i-fly forum.Misinformation such as this can be very damaging to a new product.

Not wanting to hijack this thread, but, I recently purchased the G2 Games/Ariane Boeing 737 Collection for FS2004 and FSX, off an e-bay seller, the CD/DVD pack was brand new and sealed, and as I was taking the wrapper off I noticed a small illustration of a 737 with winglets, which I thought looked very nice. After I had installed the whole pack of 737 600-700-800 and 900 models ( 30 different craft in all ) and went into my FSX editor, absolutely NONE of the models had winglets !!!!! I was left scratching my head in wonder, but, as I'd only paid a couple of UK pounds, I won't complain, but, it makes you think what else they get up to.Cheerz. Transport Steve.

FlyAwayBoy777 The Ariane 800X2 has a add on skin for the Delta 800 but it is for FS9.I was told the new FSX skins are due out very soon and Delta is in the package. JeffG

Not wanting to hijack this thread, but, I recently purchased the G2 Games/Ariane Boeing 737 Collection for FS2004 and FSX, off an e-bay seller, the CD/DVD pack was brand new and sealed, and as I was taking the wrapper off I noticed a small illustration of a 737 with winglets, which I thought looked very nice. After I had installed the whole pack of 737 600-700-800 and 900 models ( 30 different craft in all ) and went into my FSX editor, absolutely NONE of the models had winglets !!!!! I was left scratching my head in wonder, but, as I'd only paid a couple of UK pounds, I won't complain, but, it makes you think what else they get up to.Cheerz. Transport Steve.

Buying software from EBAY is risky, because you don't know if what you are buying is actually new, or even a legal copy, even when sealed as if it was new. That a side, Ariane uses setting in the aircraft.cg file and the ariane.cfg file (At least for the X2 series) For winglets, it's in the Airplane_Geometry section of the aircraft.cfg file. Make sure the following is set. (Back it up first, as you appear to have a different series, so it may be different for yours.)wing_winglets_flag = 1