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Thats It, I have had absolutely enough of the FS2004 weather ruining flights. I can not beleive that, this excuse for real world weather ever got out the door. I have Just wasted yet again 6 hours, to have my plane thrown into a spin becuase of the weather going from one extream to another. I have FSUPIC Reged, i have tried all the weather addons, but to no avail. I have completly lost all Intrest in this now, and thats it. 6 hours of our short life is no joke, to keep wasting, because MS cant even get this right.How can weather go from 180/56 to 318/100 to 50/21 to 90/0 to 0/0 to 121/120 in the space of about 20 seconds.....And another thing its always with the PSS buses, they cant handle the weather changes at all.Can anybody help me.A very UpsetJason

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The flight simulator does not know how the weather looks exactly; it just generates a weather situation based on a few data. If you fly with updated weather, you can try turning it off. Also you can change the rate at which the weather should change; try decreasing it. If you download winds aloft as well, you can further try to disable this and see if it helps...Nico

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Jason, Perhaps your problem is more down to your server/ISP than FS2004. I always fly with real-world weather, and so far have had no reason to complain - if it's raining outside, I go to a nearby airport/airbase and it's raining.....when there hurricanes recently in northern states of the US, I tried flying out from a small airstrip in the default Cessna and went sideways, not up!! Pretty realistic, i thought!! Try a flight from Hong Kong and see how murky it always is, and then try it during the September monsoon season!!! I've never had the weather chopping and changing as many times as you state during a 20 second period.....over a few minutes perhaps the wind will die down, or change direction a bit....Are you on dial-up, or broadband/cable/ADSL, etc?? that could be making the difference. I'm on broadband in the UK and the real-world weather works like a champ!

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I personally do not have any problems with the real weather causing loss of control either. I use the basic msfs static real weather download with fsuipc weather transition smoothing options activated. I flew a few flights early on without setting the fsuipc smoothing options and have seen the wind changes kick the airplane around severely but I haven't had any problems ever since with fsuipc smoothing and static weather.

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This one is MS's fault, as it seems. Many experience these sudden wind/temperature/pressure shifts, sometimes more, sometimes less frequent. If you fly low and slow then you might get away with it, but going up there with an airliner, well... It has nothing to do with ISP, broadband/modem or even FSUIPC. Pete is aware of the issue and currently there's no solution for it. Wind smoothing option won't solve this. I flew with downloaded (offline) weather and it was the same. I flew with built-in Jepp real weather and it was the same. Tried all weather add-ons - still the same. Jason, it's not just the PSS Bus, it happened to me with the Project Fokker F-70 as well (and FSD Cheyenne and freware A/C). Disintegrated in mid-air because after a violent jerk, the speed jumped up too and even with speed brakes fully extended I couldn't slow it down in time. Poof... all over Linz.No help at this time, sorry...I read in a post here on the forum, that FSMeteo might have a solution soon. Just a rumor, third hand, but that's what I read. Don't quote me on it, though.Regards,Jurehttp://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

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I think the only way out, is to not download wind aloft.I think thats about the best solution, if you want real world weather.MS are just plane bad, for spoiling this. I really really think they should look long and hard, at how they release products. I mean did nobdy there find this out forthemself. Also please notice how the Default FS2004 planes seem to not be effected by the wind problems.Im so mad, about this. I calculated yesterday that I have wasted at least 1 week in time because of this problem. I am annoyed, and my view of MS is in the toilet for this. Its wrong, and I demand a fix for it. Its so bad it almost renders the sim useless.THANKS MS, AS USUAL SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO FIX YOUR MISTAKES, AND AT A COST TO THEMSELF AND THE LOYAL USERS, A REALLY BIG THANKS...Jason

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>I think the only way out, is to not download wind aloft.>>I think thats about the best solution, if you want real world>weather.>>>MS are just plane bad, for spoiling this. I really really>think they should look long and hard, at how they release>products. I mean did nobdy there find this out forthemself.>Also please notice how the Default FS2004 planes seem to not>be effected by the wind problems.>>Im so mad, about this. I calculated yesterday that I have>wasted at least 1 week in time because of this problem. I am>annoyed, and my view of MS is in the toilet for this. Its>wrong, and I demand a fix for it. Its so bad it almost renders>the sim useless.>>THANKS MS, AS USUAL SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO FIX YOUR MISTAKES,>AND AT A COST TO THEMSELF AND THE LOYAL USERS, A REALLY BIG>THANKS...>>>>JasonJason, What do you expect from a 70 euro costing flight simulator??? If a real flightsimulator would cost 70 euro everyone had one at home.... Anyhow, be patient...as real pilots do

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>>I think the only way out, is to not download wind aloft.>>>>I think thats about the best solution, if you want real>world>>weather.>>>>>>MS are just plane bad, for spoiling this. I really really>>think they should look long and hard, at how they release>>products. I mean did nobdy there find this out forthemself.>>Also please notice how the Default FS2004 planes seem to not>>be effected by the wind problems.>>>>Im so mad, about this. I calculated yesterday that I have>>wasted at least 1 week in time because of this problem. I am>>annoyed, and my view of MS is in the toilet for this. Its>>wrong, and I demand a fix for it. Its so bad it almost>renders>>the sim useless.>>>>THANKS MS, AS USUAL SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO FIX YOUR MISTAKES,>>AND AT A COST TO THEMSELF AND THE LOYAL USERS, A REALLY BIG>>THANKS...>>>>>>>>Jason>>Jason, What do you expect from a 70 euro costing flight>simulator??? If a real flightsimulator would cost 70 euro>everyone had one at home.... Anyhow, be patient...as real>pilots doOh here we go that old one. Well so what if it costs $70, thats not the point is it. It should work as advertised, and not have such a bg bug. MS Decide the price not me, if they charge $70 then they belevie that the amount of wrok they put in is worth that. The Fact is you can not deny its a major problem, and does ruine any enjoyment you have with using real world weather. So weather it costs $70 or $7000000 is not the point, it has a major problem, and needs fixing, as it hampers the sim quite badly.Jason

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Man I have many many hours logged all over the place with FSMeteo and default real weather and have never experienced this. Weird!Noel

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>Man I have many many hours logged all over the place with>FSMeteo and default real weather and have never experienced>this. Weird!>>NoelYes but are you using the wind alfot? Its them that go madJason

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This is an interesting thread and it makes me wonder why some people have this issue and others do not? Is this problem specific to the US where there are lots of stations within very close proximity? Most of my sim time is spent in the Pacific, Asia and European areas and I have never had this problem with any aircraft including the bus. But there again I stopped using Activesky the moment I realised that it does not offer FULL compatibility with FS2004 as confirmed in their forum.I use the inbuilt weather including winds aloft and find that the transitions are superb. In fact FS2004, for the best part, does work as advertised and I find little reason to complain or be disappointed.I would suggest that if you are finding a problem with the bus, then you investigate this in the PSS forum. But something tells me that they will put you onto the Activesky forum!Good luck sorting this out

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I don't consider this a bug. If it was a bug it would be happening ot eveyone on a consistent basis. It maybe all the different weather addons you have tried. When all else fails, go back to the basics. Start from the box and work your way forward. I have a lot of addons, but I am very leary about adding on too much, because sometimes you can get conflicts between them and then you have a ton of troubles.

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I use the winds aloft from the FS9 default Real Weather. I fly in the US only, both low alitude airways as well as the jet routes. Have NEVER, I say again, NEVER had any of the problems you describe. Winds aloft match what I am seeing on the real world aviation weather. AND, I do not use any wind transition smoothing from FSUIPC.Paul

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Totally agree.I only use 737 with Bruce Benaways panel, and all in all it works superbly.I just did an early morning first light approach to Innsbruck through heavy cloud. It worked a dream!Take your weather change settings down a notch, that should help.I am also Broadband and know that the UK weather I have outside will be in my sim as it happens.RonaldGlasgow

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Hey, Jason, if you are REALLY done...can I have all your flight sim stuff? :-)Eric

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Jason,I have the same problem and yes its very frustrating. Here is what I have done that may help you. The key in setting up real weather is to set the rate of change to NONE and choose the STATIC real weather option. Not perfect but it almost eliminated the problem. If I choose the DYNAMIC (ie update every 15 minutes option) then like you I am blown all over the sky.Pesi

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I think your issues stem from a huge misunderstanding in the way the weather engine works. There is REAL weather, and there is "dynamic" weather. The problem comes when you try to mix the two.Let's look at all the scenarios.The easiest, is dynamic only. With this scenario, you set up initial conditions and then let the computer "simulate" developing weather based on it's own internal computations. When we set up themes, we are basically doing this.The next is dynamic, based on real conditions. It is a hybrid. This basically occurs when you download real weather ONCE, then let the computer simulate all the changes after the initial download. This provides a more realistic feel, as the weather is based on real world conditions at the beginning of the flight, but takes on a life of it's own.The last type is REAL weather. And this can only be obtained by performing frequent updates from the internet from weather stations while in flight. For this to work properly, however, the dynamic engine must be disabled. Most people who have problems with weather transitions try to perform REAL weather updates while the program is still running dynamic weather. This occurs as follows. You grab an update, then immediately the computer is computing the changes in the CPU. After 15 minutes you get another update. However, since the dynamic weather was running the whole time, the change in the weather between updates is more extreme.As told by other people in this forum, if you do use REAL weather with Winds aloft, you should completely disable the dynamic engine so that the changes between stations are minimized and you have a cleaner weather transition.Dynamic weather can be disabled by changing the "change rate" to NONE

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Just remember, you vote for MS every time you buy their products. Stop buying their products, and they'll start paying attention to what you want.

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In obvious pain, the patients implores his doctor for relief."Doctor, Doctor, ya gotta help me! It hurts like heck when I do this," as the patient demonstrates his ability to touch his left ear with his right elbow.The good doctor takes one look at his pliant patient and, with a hint of exasperation, offers a suggestion, "Well, don't do that!"

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