May 10, 201115 yr I know that blurries can have many causes, amongst them each single bottleneck you can think of *g*, but nevertheless my question:My system:Q9550 oced to 3,41GHz8GB 1066 DDR2 RAM285GTX 2 GBrunning 1920x1080standard 5400rpm hard drivesWin 7 Ultimate 64bitsystem is pretty well tuned, running a load of addons and secondary programs. I am happy with FPS and fluidity of the scenery, but I encounter a lot of blurries when using photoscenery - as well as terrain popping with detailed meshes. Blurries aren't severe, but I'd say they are app. 2 or 3 levels above a crisp picture.My question is: would SSDs for FSX (thinking of two OCZ Vortex 2 120GB for system and secondary FSX disk, a OCZ Vortex 2 240GB as primary FSX disk) eliminate blurries for THIS system? I am not concerned about FPS, just about blurries.And yes, I know that this might probably be overkill for the system, but I intend to buy a top-notch PC in autumn and would transfer the SSD to the new machine then. All I am interested in is whether I could expect some benefit from the SSDs now or not - if not, I would wait until I buy the new PC hoping that they will be cheaper then.Your input is highly appreciated.Best,Bernhard
May 10, 201115 yr The short answer is no. In your case, it's not a hardware problem. You need to tweak software. ROG Maximus X Apex Z370 -- 8086 @ 5.3 / NB 5.0 -- GSkill @ 4133 c17-17-32~Cr1 1.42v -- EVGA 1080Ti 6393 -- ROG PG279Q 1440P 150hz -- Corsair H100i V2 --Samsung EVO 850(s) -- Windows7 Pro 64 --Corsair 750X Ken C
May 10, 201115 yr Author The short answer is no. In your case, it's not a hardware problem. You need to tweak software.Could you elaborate? I think my system is perfectly tuned regarding software (fsx.cfg, limiter settings etc.).
May 10, 201115 yr I think the SSDs might help over 5400RPM drives, but probably not any more than a good 7200 RPM drive with 64MB+ of cache, like some of the WD Caviar Black drives. A 10,000 RPM WD Velociraptor might be even better still. Photoscenery needs good disk system throughput to move large files fast...and because most photoscenery is so big, it's also fairly cost-prohibitive to put it on SSDs. The forte of the SSD is very fast random file reads...that's not going to be a big help with photoscenery. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
May 10, 201115 yr I had an OCZ Vertex 2 120 Gb SSD for about a week, then it died!Should have Google OCZ before I bought it, too many RMA´s and firmware problems.But it helped with faster loading of FSX, and no blurries, FPS the same...Lots of opinions about SSD´s and FSX:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/300997-ssd-upgrade-results/
May 10, 201115 yr I have a RevoDrive for FSX and can't look back now. Never had one issue and its crazy fast on loads.
May 11, 201115 yr I'm thinking your blurries are processor related. :Sigh: So another "No" or "definitely not" here to the original question. My blurry issues went away with this i7 rig. I had tried an SSD before on my Core 2 system, no joy. I've gone back to the Cav. Black in my signature and sold the SSD to a friend. It really wasn't worth it just to decrease load times... Not until prices are much, much less. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
May 12, 201115 yr I'm thinking your blurries are processor related. :Sigh: So another "No" or "definitely not" here to the original question. My blurry issues went away with this i7 rig. I had tried an SSD before on my Core 2 system, no joy. I've gone back to the Cav. Black in my signature and sold the SSD to a friend. It really wasn't worth it just to decrease load times... Not until prices are much, much less. .. and I've had the same old 80 gig ST380817AS 8.5ms, 7200 clunker drive for probably four years. This is where I keep FSX: The C-drive is a 200 gig Maxtor 6L200M0, 9ms, 7200 and "Stuff" is on a 500 gig WD5000AAKS-00V1AO. All are non-descript, cheap, with nothing special about them. On my existing (and previous 3.2 gig system) blurries are caused by having having a FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION setting which is too low. Default is 0.33. With this proc running at 4.8 gig and a 580 I can set this to 0.15 without blurries. I agree with Zach: Bernhard may say that "I am happy with FPS and fluidity of the scenery", I know from my own experience that - at 3.41 gig - he has only two choices: - one is stuttering, but moderately crisp textures, or smoothness with blurries. The only answer here is a faster proc & gpu. The only difference the SSD's will make is faster boot, faster FSX startup, but once flying there will be diddly-squat as a performance gain.Buy them with the new system: they will be cheaper at that time. i7 [email protected] | 32GB RAM | EVGA RTX 3080Ti | Maximus Hero VII | 512GB 860 Pro | 512GB 850 Pro | 256GB 840 Pro | 2TB 860 QVO | 1TB 870 EVO | Seagate 3TB Cloud | EVGA 1000 GQ | Win10 Pro | EK Custom water cooling.
May 12, 201115 yr I think we need to keep in mind that blurries with photoscenery are a different problem than those with standard scenery. Disk system performance isn't generally critical for operation of FSX, with the notable exception of photoscenery, where disk throughput can make a difference. A good SSD or a good HDD with a large hardware cache can make a difference if running FSX with large expanses of photoscenery. But as I noted previously, SSD storage is very (probably excessively) expensive for use with photoscenery due to the large volumes of data. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
May 12, 201115 yr Author Well, I took the plunge and got me 2x256GB of SSD. Just reinstalling my computer, will report my results as soon as I can :-)
May 12, 201115 yr Well, I took the plunge and got me 2x256GB of SSD. Just reinstalling my computer, will report my results as soon as I can :-)Lol. Well I think you had made your decision before your OP, then. Good luck! Report back if it was worth the price. I'm always curious of others opinions. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
May 12, 201115 yr If anyone else is sitting on the SSD fence and has a Micro Center nearby, take a gander at this: Corsair X256 - $255. Yes, that's a 256GB SSD for just less than $1/GB, and it's a performance-oriented drive at that. Not the newest drive on the block and it is a refurb, but that is an absolutely unbeatable deal. Apparently these Corsair X drives had some firmware issues which have been resolved, so I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to go for a refurb for once.
May 13, 201115 yr Author Ok, here's my initial report:Blurries and terrain popups are greatly reduced. While there is no increase in FPS, the smoothness is vastly improved. Something I didn't expect: from time to time I had crackling sound (especially flying over Austria Professional X), those sound crackles are completely eliminated.Loading times are fantastic now, no more 5 minutes waiting from starting FSX to flying.Was this worth € 900? Of course not :-). But who cares *g*
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