Jump to content

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

darem

Blurries and SSDs

Recommended Posts

I know that blurries can have many causes, amongst them each single bottleneck you can think of *g*, but nevertheless my question:My system:Q9550 oced to 3,41GHz8GB 1066 DDR2 RAM285GTX 2 GBrunning 1920x1080standard 5400rpm hard drivesWin 7 Ultimate 64bitsystem is pretty well tuned, running a load of addons and secondary programs. I am happy with FPS and fluidity of the scenery, but I encounter a lot of blurries when using photoscenery - as well as terrain popping with detailed meshes. Blurries aren't severe, but I'd say they are app. 2 or 3 levels above a crisp picture.My question is: would SSDs for FSX (thinking of two OCZ Vortex 2 120GB for system and secondary FSX disk, a OCZ Vortex 2 240GB as primary FSX disk) eliminate blurries for THIS system? I am not concerned about FPS, just about blurries.And yes, I know that this might probably be overkill for the system, but I intend to buy a top-notch PC in autumn and would transfer the SSD to the new machine then. All I am interested in is whether I could expect some benefit from the SSDs now or not - if not, I would wait until I buy the new PC hoping that they will be cheaper then.Your input is highly appreciated.Best,Bernhard

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The short answer is no. In your case, it's not a hardware problem. You need to tweak software.
Could you elaborate? I think my system is perfectly tuned regarding software (fsx.cfg, limiter settings etc.).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the SSDs might help over 5400RPM drives, but probably not any more than a good 7200 RPM drive with 64MB+ of cache, like some of the WD Caviar Black drives. A 10,000 RPM WD Velociraptor might be even better still. Photoscenery needs good disk system throughput to move large files fast...and because most photoscenery is so big, it's also fairly cost-prohibitive to put it on SSDs. The forte of the SSD is very fast random file reads...that's not going to be a big help with photoscenery.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest PFL

I had an OCZ Vertex 2 120 Gb SSD for about a week, then it died!Should have Google OCZ before I bought it, too many RMA´s and firmware problems.But it helped with faster loading of FSX, and no blurries, FPS the same...Lots of opinions about SSD´s and FSX:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/300997-ssd-upgrade-results/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am very hard thinking about getting a WD VR 600GB (WD6000HLHX).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a RevoDrive for FSX and can't look back now. Never had one issue and its crazy fast on loads.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm thinking your blurries are processor related. :Sigh: So another "No" or "definitely not" here to the original question. My blurry issues went away with this i7 rig. I had tried an SSD before on my Core 2 system, no joy. I've gone back to the Cav. Black in my signature and sold the SSD to a friend. It really wasn't worth it just to decrease load times... Not until prices are much, much less. :wink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I'm thinking your blurries are processor related. :Sigh: So another "No" or "definitely not" here to the original question. My blurry issues went away with this i7 rig. I had tried an SSD before on my Core 2 system, no joy. I've gone back to the Cav. Black in my signature and sold the SSD to a friend. It really wasn't worth it just to decrease load times... Not until prices are much, much less. :wink:
.. and I've had the same old 80 gig ST380817AS 8.5ms, 7200 clunker drive for probably four years. This is where I keep FSX: The C-drive is a 200 gig Maxtor 6L200M0, 9ms, 7200 and "Stuff" is on a 500 gig WD5000AAKS-00V1AO. All are non-descript, cheap, with nothing special about them. On my existing (and previous 3.2 gig system) blurries are caused by having having a FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION setting which is too low. Default is 0.33. With this proc running at 4.8 gig and a 580 I can set this to 0.15 without blurries. I agree with Zach: Bernhard may say that "I am happy with FPS and fluidity of the scenery", I know from my own experience that - at 3.41 gig - he has only two choices: - one is stuttering, but moderately crisp textures, or smoothness with blurries. The only answer here is a faster proc & gpu. The only difference the SSD's will make is faster boot, faster FSX startup, but once flying there will be diddly-squat as a performance gain.Buy them with the new system: they will be cheaper at that time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think we need to keep in mind that blurries with photoscenery are a different problem than those with standard scenery. Disk system performance isn't generally critical for operation of FSX, with the notable exception of photoscenery, where disk throughput can make a difference. A good SSD or a good HDD with a large hardware cache can make a difference if running FSX with large expanses of photoscenery. But as I noted previously, SSD storage is very (probably excessively) expensive for use with photoscenery due to the large volumes of data.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, I took the plunge and got me 2x256GB of SSD. Just reinstalling my computer, will report my results as soon as I can :-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Well, I took the plunge and got me 2x256GB of SSD. Just reinstalling my computer, will report my results as soon as I can :-)
Lol. Well I think you had made your decision before your OP, then. Good luck! Report back if it was worth the price. I'm always curious of others opinions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If anyone else is sitting on the SSD fence and has a Micro Center nearby, take a gander at this: Corsair X256 - $255. Yes, that's a 256GB SSD for just less than $1/GB, and it's a performance-oriented drive at that. Not the newest drive on the block and it is a refurb, but that is an absolutely unbeatable deal. Apparently these Corsair X drives had some firmware issues which have been resolved, so I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to go for a refurb for once.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, here's my initial report:Blurries and terrain popups are greatly reduced. While there is no increase in FPS, the smoothness is vastly improved. Something I didn't expect: from time to time I had crackling sound (especially flying over Austria Professional X), those sound crackles are completely eliminated.Loading times are fantastic now, no more 5 minutes waiting from starting FSX to flying.Was this worth € 900? Of course not :-). But who cares *g*

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What did you move the SSD's and how?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You know, I often have the same experience after a fresh install with my $39.00 Seagate disk drive. :Big Grin:Darem, please report back to us in 30 days.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

LOL, just noticed how poorly worded my last post was. I meant to say what did you move to the SSD's: the OS, FSX, everything, and how you did that, because in a SSD you want the partitions aligned or performance will be much worse than it should be.Cloning a HDD into an SSD can lead to a misaligned partition

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, hope I understood now:2x256 SSD in the system now.C: is 70GB for system and the necessary programs other than flightsim (Office, mail etc.) on SSD 1.E: is 160GB for "supporting acts", programs that change or enhance data in FSX like REX, GEX and PFE on SSD 1.D: is 240GB for FSX and addons.It is a fresh install, everything built from the scratch.only other drive that's still connected to the system is my Netgear ReadyNAS for storage and backups.@FunknNasty: big frameeaters are installed. No fragmentation to occur - so I don't expect a slowdown later (btw, I have installed FSX a gazillion times, I know how it feels after a fresh install and can compare that). And as I said, the enhancements aren't visible in the FPS, but in smoothness, sharpness and obscenely short l0oading times. And the absence of pops and crackles (which I didn't expect to happen).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If it's a fresh install of Win 7, FSX and everything else aligment will not be a problem. You may want to disable hibernation and disk indexing for all the SSD partitions if you haven't already to save some space and avoid unnecesary writes.Enjoy your new toys!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If it's a fresh install of Win 7, FSX and everything else aligment will not be a problem. You may want to disable hibernation and disk indexing for all the SSD partitions if you haven't already to save some space and avoid unnecesary writes.Enjoy your new toys!
These are some of the first things I do, in addition to disabling defender :-).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I know that blurries can have many causes, amongst them each single bottleneck you can think of *g*, but nevertheless my question:My system:Q9550 oced to 3,41GHz8GB 1066 DDR2 RAM285GTX 2 GBrunning 1920x1080standard 5400rpm hard drivesWin 7 Ultimate 64bitsystem is pretty well tuned, running a load of addons and secondary programs. I am happy with FPS and fluidity of the scenery, but I encounter a lot of blurries when using photoscenery - as well as terrain popping with detailed meshes. Blurries aren't severe, but I'd say they are app. 2 or 3 levels above a crisp picture.My question is: would SSDs for FSX (thinking of two OCZ Vortex 2 120GB for system and secondary FSX disk, a OCZ Vortex 2 240GB as primary FSX disk) eliminate blurries for THIS system? I am not concerned about FPS, just about blurries.And yes, I know that this might probably be overkill for the system, but I intend to buy a top-notch PC in autumn and would transfer the SSD to the new machine then. All I am interested in is whether I could expect some benefit from the SSDs now or not - if not, I would wait until I buy the new PC hoping that they will be cheaper then.Your input is highly appreciated.Best,Bernhard
I have a 10K RPM drive that FSX is loaded on, and have no blurries. My situation improved when I:1. Changed to DDR3 memory, running w/ tight timings2. Used Bejote's tricks, for the most part3. Discovered FPS_Limiter.exe to eliminate surges I while running FSX internally in UNLIMITED modeI convinced myself that in my particular system, the drive didn't matter a whole lot: I used to have a 15,000RPM SCSI that I had FSX loaded on, and got tired of the prolonged boot time w/ the SCSI drive (SSD--yeah!), so put it into a difference machine. The 10K drive works the same as far as FSX goes. My next rig will sport SSD drives, and hopefully that won't be for another 2y or so. My current rig is ok fine for FSX and everything else. It looks like you went from some very weak drives tho, so no wonder the improvement.Noel

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I like my SSD because it loads FSX very quick with LOD 8.5. That's the only reason. I didn't like the price lol!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just did a flight from LOWW to EDDM with an A319. EDDM is pretty demanding, especially with AI Traffic and ground traffic, and embedded into photoscenery (VFR Germany 3).objects/autogen set to very dense and dense, flying with ASE and REX weather (lot of cloud layers), Pro Flight Emulator.LOWW: Framerates as usual, around 16-20 with AI planes, ground traffic and ENB mod.Departure: Minor sound crackle, but way better than before.Cruise and descend: smooth as butter - but it always was :-)Approach: Pleasant surprise. My old drives had a hard time loading the airport, now smooth frames, improving my manual landing BIG time.EDDM: Framerates as usual, around 15-20, but no popup textures on the UT2 planes anymore.Overall: yep, better :-)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...