Dear PMDG supporters, and STAFF MEMBERS...I know alot of topic have coverd the idea of building an A320 or A32X family and requested it, in the past times or even the new times...I am not trying to talk about the same subject, but lets be alittle bit honest here, business wise, is it worth it to build the A320 or not?when the producer is totally or at least 90% professional at what he produces then the product is for sure worth to be built even if there are one or two competitors aretrying to build one. lets just be honest (not underestimating anyone) but no one has doubt that no one can do what PMDG does. So building an airbus product line will not even decrease the sales revenue to PMDG even with existence of other competitors, and we can mention the total failure of Airsimmer in their product eventhough they mentioned rebuilding the project from scratch.I have seen some other products that are somehow Good or nearly perfect, the LEVEL-D 767 is an example. this doesnt mean if PMDG produces this product, it will have a same level sales of the leveld. but real world decrease in orders of this aircraft might stoped PMDG team from producing it, and decided to invest in unengaged product and thus a new market share, typical example is the 777, PSS or wilco ? i cant mention them at all as successfull products in the 777, they are crap and i am not talking about exterior model, but performance is what i really mean.now as a simmer, i think PMDG wont engage in any airbus product in the near future for many reasons and please dont offense me for mentioning any of those reasons i am trying to read the facts around, and i wish i will be mistaken:1-Airbus is not a helpful company in giving sponsorship in anykind to simmers and i tested that by contacting airbus webmaster manytimes asking them manyquestions and their answers were always negative! and i once asked them to give sponsorship to people who want to produce a project for simmers and i got no reply. thats not a complete reason for not being able to produce it, as teams can ask for sponsorship from airlines who operate this kind of aircrafts like airsimmer and jetblue!2-PMDG's products are certified by Boeing and thus i think they have a direct contact with them and maybe one or more of their developers are real workers in Boeing (only openion) thus its worth to mention that Airbus even to flight sim world is a competitor to PMDG's products as the two companies are eagerly competing in the market. So producing an airbus may cause a problem between the two.3- PMDG recently is producing 777 and a DASH-8 and lets say 1 to 2 years from now for those 2 to appear and one extra year for updates and service packs etc...therefore , microsoft flight will be up and runing by then and maybe PMDG will start making products for that new version of flight sims, not killing fsx but may reduce its sales in terms of FLIGHT.The above reasons are just assumption by me, i wish i am totaly mistaken and wake up one morning and out of sudden PMDG airbus appears ! thats ammazing.my message to PMDG staff, can we be little bit honest? an airbus is on your future plans? is it ever possible to see this bus flying properly in the sim skies?i can understand that the A320 is beeing built by others, what about the over 1000 flying A330'S? is it ever going to be flying under your name? the A340? the A380?it wont blow a surprise when you tell us that a bus is in our future plans. we can wait no problem, we have waited all of your products and never got bored waiting and we purchased after that wait.I am just being honest and not anything else. because i am a big fan of PMDG, i like what they do and what they will do before seeing it ;)thanks for reading everyone :D

That pretty much restated everything we learned in the last few/several years. Nice post.But didn't Robert say last night that they will not develop anything for Flight?

That pretty much restated everything we learned in the last few/several years. Nice post.But didn't Robert say last night that they will not develop anything for Flight?

well i didnt notice that post... my bad

Yeah Flight is a arcade in comparison, not a platform they want to developer for and as Robert said we hardcore simmers are not the target market for MS Flight. Also I think PMDG and Boeing have far too good a relationship for them to start a Airbus. But who knows, they are working on a "mystery" project, but would not hold breath on it being a AB.

Yeah Flight is a arcade in comparison, not a platform they want to developer for and as Robert said we hardcore simmers are not the target market for MS Flight.Also I think PMDG and Boeing have far too good a relationship for them to start a Airbus. But who knows, they are working on a "mystery" project, but would not hold breath on it being a AB.

well, then lets forget about the FLIGHT as beeing a reason, and concentrate on what we can expect from PMDG as mystery, to me i have no hope for it beeing AB, and as i read in several topics, i believe its the 787 and i think its beeing preperd in parallel with the real world production of it. seems reasonable no?

Boeing has been developing/manufacturing the 787 since 2005/2008 so it could be reasonable that PMDG is developing (schedule of two-three years) the 787 as the secret project, in my thinking at least.

PMDG doesn't necessarily (excuse me for my spelling not English...) need a partnership with Airbus to make a good one (my opinion). Look at Aerosoft, they are not even that good developers, and still they made a very good looking aircraft, both inside and outside, with good simulation. One big problem with it is that it's got no VNAV and SID/STARs (yet). Overall, I find the Airbus X an aircraft with great quality in eye, and a little less quality in simulation. If they can do it, then PMDG can do it at least 3 times as good.

FSL are doing an A320, you know this?

It would be a dream come true(i speak for myself) if PMDG did an A320, the Airbus x is very nice to look at but as u say Arjen it is quite limited but thats how they intended it to be, thats not what im after....i'd like more depth NGX style. I mainly fly European routes (for BA and Thomson virtual) and one uses B738 and the other A320 as there main short/med carrier so these two aircraft are what i use everyday (until i get promotion to fly PMDG T7) so A320 im desperate for. I know FSL are doing an A320 and i pin my hopes on this, but lets hope PMDG'S secret prodject is an A320 (i doubt it but #####, one can dream!).

2-PMDG's products are certified by Boeing and thus i think they have a direct contact with them and maybe one or more of their developers are real workers in Boeing (only openion) thus its worth to mention that Airbus even to flight sim world is a competitor to PMDG's products as the two companies are eagerly competing in the market. So producing an airbus may cause a problem between the two.

I agree, I believe that Airbus will not certify or give any information out to PMDG about their system's surely making the project 10x as hard. As nice as it would be to see PMDG move away from the Boeing bandwagon - maybe a nice Biz Jet or a ERJ/CRJ would be better than an Airbus.

PMDG doesn't necessarily (excuse me for my spelling not English...) need a partnership with Airbus to make a good one (my opinion). Look at Aerosoft, they are not even that good developers, and still they made a very good looking aircraft, both inside and outside, with good simulation. One big problem with it is that it's got no VNAV and SID/STARs (yet). Overall, I find the Airbus X an aircraft with great quality in eye, and a little less quality in simulation.If they can do it, then PMDG can do it at least 3 times as good.

I beg to differ, from the development talks there were times were Boeing engineers, pilots, etc were working in their simulator and directly corresponding back with PMDG (if memory serves me right) so I'd say a partnership is a must to reach the highest level quality and get hands on all the details. Also in their correspondents back and forth PMDG was asking details not even the airliners were asking. Without that then your estimate of 3 times as good maybe not that accurate and why Airbus X is what it is. Also working with Boeing and Airbus maybe stepping on too many toes for one or the other and Airbus doesn't; from what I hear too open to the PC simulation community as well.

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by VLJ510

You guys do realise that you don't need direct access to Airbus to get hold of all the technical details to construct the Airbus systems? You dont need Airbus to have access to Pilots, LVL-D sims, detailed documents or engineers. (this is from first hand experience)And Moe - Kinda strange, I am pretty sure I was flying the Airsimmer Advanced last night online from Kuwait to Dubai, failed two ADR's dropped into Alteranate LAw, follwed the ECAM actions then landed the aircraft in Direct Law and had a G + Y hydraulic failure on roll out... Perhaps it was a dream, if so it was pretty good.Also as mentioned FSLabs are hard at work on there version. I would love to see a PMDG version if they have already started it a long time ago as a secret product, otherwise I would prefer they keep focused on the 777.Regards

But it dose make it easier when someones willing to talk and work with you. We still be waiting if PMDG did not have it's foot in the door at Boeing for the NGX. I'm sure PMDG would have loved to have bought Level D time, tracked down pilots and engineers etc.I have nada to do with any Airbus and was able to get my hands on a lot of documentation and airline home PC training aids from US Airbus carriers.I can dig a 15 foot hole by hand too but I'd rather have a back-hoe or excavator to make things easy and provide the utmost assists.

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by VLJ510

I believe that PMDG are following a code amongst developers and are not treading on anyone's toe's. Airbus is being developed by others. End of.

Edited January 7, 201214 yr by G7USL

PMDG doesn't necessarily (excuse me for my spelling not English...) need a partnership with Airbus to make a good one (my opinion). Look at Aerosoft, they are not even that good developers, and still they made a very good looking aircraft, both inside and outside, with good simulation. One big problem with it is that it's got no VNAV and SID/STARs (yet). Overall, I find the Airbus X an aircraft with great quality in eye, and a little less quality in simulation.If they can do it, then PMDG can do it at least 3 times as good.

well they do need the partnership to get the most out of the product, alot of other producers didnt have the partnership and failed in many stages because of the complicated systems and performance of the machine, and thus they need either the help of an airline or the help of airbus it self, and as we know PMDG, either produce it as real as it gets or never engage it.

FSL are doing an A320, you know this?

yes i know that and thats why i said that i understand that there are other projects of a320 being built, but what about the 330 and 340?

I beg to differ, from the development talks there were times were Boeing engineers, pilots, etc were working in their simulator and directly corresponding back with PMDG (if memory serves me right) so I'd say a partnership is a must to reach the highest level quality and get hands on all the details. Also in their correspondents back and forth PMDG was asking details not even the airliners were asking. Without that then your estimate of 3 times as good maybe not that accurate and why Airbus X is what it is. Also working with Boeing and Airbus maybe stepping on too many toes for one or the other and Airbus doesn't; from what I hear too open to the PC simulation community as well.

i totaly agree with you and thats why PMDG is not engaging airbus, not enough info to rely on :S

You guys do realise that you don't need direct access to Airbus to get hold of all the technical details to construct the Airbus systems? You dont need Airbus to have access to Pilots, LVL-D sims, detailed documents or engineers. (this is from first hand experience)And Moe - Kinda strange, I am pretty sure I was flying the Airsimmer Advanced last night online from Kuwait to Dubai, failed two ADR's dropped into Alteranate LAw, follwed the ECAM actions then landed the aircraft in Direct Law and had a G + Y hydraulic failure on roll out... Perhaps it was a dream, if so it was pretty good.Also as mentioned FSLabs are hard at work on there version. I would love to see a PMDG version if they have already started it a long time ago as a secret product, otherwise I would prefer they keep focused on the 777.Regards

i totaly realise that airbus info isnt hard to get at all, i can read the aircraft performance, i can read the manuals and i have seen the QRH of real world airlines and i have them too for my self, its not of a problem at all. but the help and the sponsorship of the airbus in reality will make things go better the easier,i actually didnt understand if you are trying to say that airsimmer is good or bad, but in my post all i said is that air simmer failed and why? you have done the flight normaly, but you cant say that your aircraft doesnt have any bug onboard and major bugs not small bugs, where if those bugs were on real aircraft it would never fly. i am not exagerating and trying to say they are bad, i bought the product and i only fly airbus using air simmer, but i expected more out of it thats all.and i agree with you, if PMDG didnt start a320 yet, i prefer they get us a T7 instead for now. not to forget the market of short haul aircrafts is saturated, its time to focus more on wide body. A330 A340 A380 .

I believe that PMDG are following a code amongst developers and are not treading on anyone's toe's. Airbus is being developed by others. End of.

well, whats wrong with PMDG race those others and get on the top of the list of making the best products for FS giving them superiority in everything, i dont care if it will be kind of a monopoly or taking the profits of others ways, NO PAIN NO GAIN, and i will wish all the good luck for the one who works hard to get me the best machine to fly with. PMDG or anyone else, as long as i take off and land without the need of kicking my pc or throwing my keyboard out of the window!! haha