March 26, 201214 yr Hello, Dudes!Tension has been made foe me since many days.I'm unable to land Boeing 737-700 in FSX.I've used CRJ 700 so far and I easily take-off and land it with mouse. I just fly it on 1200ft altitude + 150Knots speed with auto pilot. I just down the flap to 90 degrees when I fly just 3nm away from landing runway and then switch off the autopilot and take control by mouse and see visually. Then CRJ slowly comes down on runway and land easily.But Boeing 737 is totally different from this. Please tell me same kind of things which I apply at CRJ 700 on B737 so that I would be able to land it (B737) easily too.Here are some questions too: What can I do to land easily?At how much nm away should I down the flaps to 90 as I do 3nm away of CRJ?At how much altitude should I down the flaps to 90 degrees as I do 1200ft at CRJ?At how much speed should I down the flaps to 90 degrees as I do 150knts on CRJ?OR Tell me any other method which can give same landing as of CRJ 700. I don’t use Heading, Course and frequencies etc. ..Please help me. I would be grateful to you.Regards,
March 26, 201214 yr The 737 is a lot bigger/heavier plane than the CRJ, so you need more time to stabilize it.Start about 10 miles out, 2000ft above ground, slow to 150kts, use full flaps (40). This is just rough and general, Im sure others will jump in here. Jay
March 26, 201214 yr Controlling an FSX plane with the mouse is by far the hardest way to do it. Adding a joystick - or even better, a yoke and pedals - will dramatically simplify the task.
March 26, 201214 yr Your landing weight will be a big factor in the 737, so it's hard to suggest 'blanket' speeds for approach. For example if you are on 10% fuel, a speed of about 130 would probably work, but if you are on 100% fuel you shouldn't really be landing at all! ..... or if you are, try about 155 knots, and don't expect a greaser of a landing lol!In the real aircraft, flaps 30 is used for almost all landings (rather than max flaps 40).......... I'm not sure where you're getting "90 degrees" from as no aircraft have flaps that operate to 90 degrees; it would probably de-stabilize the plane into a spin lol!Try Flaps 30 as this will often result in a smoother landing in the 737 as Flaps 40 causes a lot more drag and you will be really 'tearing' the plane in. Flaps 30 will mean coming in at a smoother glidepath angle. Come in at let's say an average of 140-145, retard the throttles at about 30 feet and smoothly and gently flare the aircraft, hold the nosewheel off a little for a smooth finale. David. >> i7 2600k, 3.4Ghz, (3.8Ghz TurboBoost), 8GB DDR3 RAM, ATI HD 5770 1GB, Win 7 Home Premium 64bit. >> FSX, REX, GEX, UTX, Orbx FTX AU, NZ, US, FlyTampa, UK2000 Xtreme, PMDG, RealAir, MilViz, (some) Carenado, Flight 1, Simcheck "%20alt=
March 26, 201214 yr Try this:http://www.smartcockpit.com/pdf/plane/boeing/B737/diagrams/0015/Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
March 26, 201214 yr Try this:http://www.smartcock.../diagrams/0015/AlI know this will start a war, but after looking at that diagram....2 1/2 NM turn from base to final?????? Must be a radio controlled 737, cause I have watched a LOT of planes land, both from inside and outside the cockpit and I sure dont remember seeing that approach anywhere. Jay
March 26, 201214 yr Yup, it is more of a training 'circuit and bump' diagram than a typical commercial flight approach, but we are hardly going for explaining how to do a Category III approach and landing here when someone just wants to get the thing on the deck without bothering to really learn how to do it properly after having flown in from 1,000 miles away, so it's as good a shot as anything under the circumstances. If nothing else, it does at least give them an idea of the concept of a circuit.We all know that one should really learn to fly and land a small prop aeroplane properly before even going near the bigger stuff, but if someone is not going to do that, then anything more of a complex explanation will be largely pointless. I'm sure we can all see that the real problem here, is running before one can walk. If it was easy to land an airliner, they would not make action movies about it.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
March 26, 201214 yr Agreed, which is why my first post for him was as simple as it gets :-)That diagram looks like what he's already trying to fo with the 737, which is why he's getting into trouble, too fast and too close. Jay
March 27, 201214 yr Biggest problem I had with 737s was floating, or ground effect, when trying to flare."one hundred""fifty""forty""thirty""twenty""ten"weeeeeeeeeeeeeee Bud Estrada
March 27, 201214 yr Biggest problem I had with 737s was floating, or ground effect, when trying to flare."one hundred""fifty""forty""thirty""twenty""ten"weeeeeeeeeeeeeee that means your speeds are far too high and you shouldn't flare as much.OR Tell me any other method which can give same landing as of CRJ 700. I don’t use Heading, Course and frequencies etc. ..you should use a joystick or yoke. Flying with the mouse is not a good idea.
March 27, 201214 yr Author Guys! I've now simple Speed problem.When I remain 10nm from Runway, my altitude is 2000ft and speed 160knots but when I do full flaps by pressing F4 probably at 45 degrees then I Turn-off the auto pilot. By doing full flaps I've noticed that 2000ft turns come down slowly slowly and altitude decreases as much as I closer to the runway but speed doesn't. Speed starts getting higher and higher even goes to 180knots sometimes. So what is the problem with me? How can I reduce the speed with Altitude too? My speed I reckon should 140knots. How can I do this?After turning Auto Pilot off, I arm spoilers and put Auto Brakes to 2 too. Turn Auto Throttle off too. But plane still doing wrong, why?Help me plz. Edited March 27, 201214 yr by autopilot
March 27, 201214 yr You need to adjust your throttles as you descend, the steeper the descent, the more you will need to retard them. Jay
March 27, 201214 yr 2,000 feet is a bit too low when still ten miles away from touchdown. The flaps will slow your descent and the autothrottle will compensate for them doing that, so you can be a bit higher than that when still ten miles away. You should be descending at an angle of about three degrees all the way to touchdown. Try to get the PAPI lights at the side of the runway to show two red and two white lights, and keep it like that all the way in.Keep the autothrottle on with 140 knots set on the MCP until you are coming right over the airfield, turn the autothrottle off when you are at about 200 feet and right near the runway, reduce the throttle to zero manually too when you disengage autothrottle, and then fly the aircraft down onto the runway with the speed bleeding off and flare it a little just before touchdown, but not too much, aiming to touchdown on or just after the black and white 'piano key' markers. Engage reverse thrust when your wheels are on the ground and then disengage it and brake manually when your speed gets down to about 60 knots.Raise the flaps before you taxi off the runway and turn off your strobe lights, the spoilers should retract automatically when you apply some thrust to start taxying.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
March 27, 201214 yr PLEASE learn to fly a GA aircraft first. I guarantee you will not be wasting your time. You're just going to get frustrated doing things this way. If you insist on staying with the heavier aircraft you will find some interesting videos on you-tube. Be warned though that whilst many manage to get the aircraft on the ground a lot of them use incorrect procedures. I know this is only a game but you WILL get more out of it by being patient and starting out with something like the Cessna 172. Anthony O'Brien
March 27, 201214 yr Commercial Member I really recommend getting joystick at some point, it makes flying way easier and also gives it much better feeling. Its does not have to be too expensive either, for example Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, which is good basic joystick is only around 30 euros, which is like around 35 US dollars. Has served me well for years, first for all flying and today mostly when I fly Airbus or some other plane with a stick instead of yoke.And yeah like previous poster said, GA might be easier and smarter to start with. Myself I though did start with jets, I just made LOTS, probably many hundreds of totally manual takeoffs and landings using joystick until I was good enough to actually start doing longer flights (so I would not crash in the end of long flight).Then it still took years before I got my approaches so good that I even stayed on glideslope most of the time.
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