MB. Some of your observations are correct, but the time to fix some of that will not be terribly long. We are making steps to get the airports populated relatively well via 'crowd sourcing' and we should see significant benefits of this towards the beginning of 2013, maybe sooner. X-Plane can easily target hardcore simmers and our IXEG 737 project will demonstrate this soon; however, x-plane....when compared to the flight sim market as a whole.... is an adolescent who has just taken on lots of responsibility now that the patriarch of flight simming (FSX) doesn't appear to last much longer....and as such, there is some rushing to catch up..and that is where we are now. I think you will find, with a bit of patience, that x-plane is a very capable product and will mature into a flight sim experience that moves beyond the abilities of FSX, providing modern technology and a smoother user experience. I find it fully understandable that many would want to wait until it's a bit more mature and for those I only say that we are working as fast as possible to get there.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

 

10 years was probably to much :)

Well as soon as it´s at list as FSX is now I´ll swap

I´m tierd of FSX DX10 preview and all the addons mostly comaptible with DX9.

 

So yes I very much hope X-plane will get to run over FSX.

Thats what "we" me and many others hoped with Flight but no, everything looks like is made of plastic there :) and again most important incomplete world.

The planes I understand they come later on when developers have a platform they can work on.

 

MB

MB. Some of your observations are correct, but the time to fix some of that will not be terribly long. We are making steps to get the airports populated relatively well via 'crowd sourcing' and we should see significant benefits of this towards the beginning of 2013, maybe sooner. X-Plane can easily target hardcore simmers and our IXEG 737 project will demonstrate this soon; however, x-plane....when compared to the flight sim market as a whole.... is an adolescent who has just taken on lots of responsibility now that the patriarch of flight simming (FSX) doesn't appear to last much longer....and as such, there is some rushing to catch up..and that is where we are now. I think you will find, with a bit of patience, that x-plane is a very capable product and will mature into a flight sim experience that moves beyond the abilities of FSX, providing modern technology and a smoother user experience. I find it fully understandable that many would want to wait until it's a bit more mature and for those I only say that we are working as fast as possible to get there.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

 

Your right!

I belive FSX will still stand until that day X-plane Offers the same feeling as FSX that one can do everything, that have better performance than FSX when it will become a complete platform, that it uses modern technology "I know" and it will be loved for it once its finnished. I wrote even to support something they said it will probably never happen. I asked them for the possibility for X-plane to start as FSX without loading anything, just a window where you can manke your planning, choose dep and dest airports, plane, weather go in to settings etc. They said:

Thank you for writing in, Sir. I don't think we'll do that, though - as the time it takes to load the aircraft is small. What takes all the time is the scenery.

Also, X-Plane will load the last aircraft you were flying - with the assumption that you might want to fly that aircraft again.

 

First fault, do not listen to end customers, it will not be a good product if you do not listen to our needs.

FSX is loved for how easy it is to choose around, options, planes, planning etc, it starts fast because it dont have to load any textures, why whould I wait for textures to load when I want to make selections in options, make flight plan etc ?

It is also loved for beeing complete.

My self and many others like to fly on a complete platform even do it has unmodern technology rather than flying something with an visualy advanced graphical world, but its totaly incomplete...

For me when you finished Ill buy it again if you make it a complete platform, you can even make it 1TB big as long as its complete and will deliver the right feeling NO problems.

 

 

MB

First fault, do not listen to end customers, it will not be a good product if you do not listen to our needs.

 

Have you ever written to Microsoft asking for changes in Flight Simulator? Did they ever answer you?

 

Having said that, I completely agree with you on the initial selection screen. It was there until version 6 or 7 I believe, then it was taken away. However, the more people will ask for it, the more possibility that it will be re-introduced.

Have you ever written to Microsoft asking for changes in Flight Simulator? Did they ever answer you?

 

Having said that, I completely agree with you on the initial selection screen. It was there until version 6 or 7 I believe, then it was taken away. However, the more people will ask for it, the more possibility that it will be re-introduced.

 

 

Yes I have written to Microsoft and no nothing have been done, most probably because the Aces team was fired and they said it will be the last simulator, only to hire those making an arcade instead of a simulator

But its still the most complete platform there is today for simmers.

 

For IT to go under and for X-plane to take over all FSX "hardcore" they need to make something that is better than FSX, asking what have microsoft done if you asked them to listen to the end user will not make X-plane any better...

 

As I said I hope X-plane kick FSX "&@($*" everyone want a platform that deliver both performance, and new age technology and graphics, but again the huge thing is being complete..

 

Im a proud owner of IFLY737NG, that and the pmdg is the most advanced planes in FSX, I can imagine flying that in X-plane as it is now sorry, its just not up for it yet, the views, how you look and move around in your cockpit and tons of other stuff.

 

Like someone said, FSX is the Patriarch.... So you have to deliver at list as it and more to dethrone it :)

I can wait I and many others Are tierd of FSX, but still stick to it since its complete ...

Ifly has today around 600pages of mambers, pmdg probably as many and many others not knowing those advanced planes exists, it took me a while after I flew around with the default planes until Iv heard of the potential of the platform.

 

X-plane is in no position to ask what did Microsoft do, what they did and with the dedications of the true simmers we added some reality to FSX and truth is it is the best today.

What x-palne should be concerned about is how can we make it better, more complete than fsx, more advanced I believe none of the teams are members with Ifly or pmdg, talk to people there see what they want, they will be x-planes true followers as we still stick with a 6 year old simulator due to the fact that there is nothing better for the moment.

Look around what Add-ons are there for FSX can we do them ourselves or we just do the platform and let them make planes, real weather, traffic, aircrafts, atc, Fs2crew "copilot" etc.

 

My simulator today is FSX+ acceleration pack, Mega airport arlanda, AES, Active Sky x, REX 2 + Overdrive, Ultimate traffic 2, IFLY 737NG and my beloved copilot and crew FS2CREW voice eddition.

 

Have a look on youtube ther are even complete flights there and youl see what we want :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsKQXYGIB8

 

MB

asking what have microsoft done if you asked them to listen to the end user will not make X-plane any better...

 

It was simply a response to your accusation to Laminar of not listening to end users. Laminar has listened to end users much more than Microsoft ever did, that was just my point.

It was simply a response to your accusation to Laminar of not listening to end users. Laminar has listened to end users much more than Microsoft ever did, that was just my point.

 

 

No worries mite, I understand your point of view :)

I asked them for the possibility for X-plane to start as FSX without loading anything, just a window where you can manke your planning, choose dep and dest airports, plane, weather go in to settings etc. They said:

Thank you for writing in, Sir. I don't think we'll do that, though - as the time it takes to load the aircraft is small. What takes all the time is the scenery.

Also, X-Plane will load the last aircraft you were flying - with the assumption that you might want to fly that aircraft again.

 

First fault, do not listen to end customers, it will not be a good product if you do not listen to our needs.

 

Well, they're listening now. The simple fact that Tom Kyler is on these forums is a proof for that. And if I understood the news correctly, LR are working on the UI that will include a welcome screen like FSX does.

 

I'm also a long-time FSX user and I will continue to use it for a few more years I guess. But that doesn't stop me from having XP10 on my hard disk as well.

Well, they're listening now. The simple fact that Tom Kyler is on these forums is a proof for that. And if I understood the news correctly, LR are working on the UI that will include a welcome screen like FSX does.

 

I'm also a long-time FSX user and I will continue to use it for a few more years I guess. But that doesn't stop me from having XP10 on my hard disk as well.

 

Yeah I have X-plane on my disks as well but right now they are 60Gb that just dust around, while my 23Gb FSX with all add-ons mentioned above runs every night usually do IFR flights.

 

Feel a little kind of sory that I spent almost 60euro in Sweden, for this.

But I hope this will help Laminar research to make the end product better and also that they write that big on the back of the SIM, this is a full platform so I wont end up buying half finished projects

I VOTE for X-plane and absolutely if they do everything right it might just kneel FSX

 

MB

I plan to use my FSX until my PC dies, which should be quite a few years, since its very new. I think MS alienated us with its new offering, and to top things off, they turned off third party developers, who have been the backbone of making FSX the fantastic sim that it is. Read Roberts thoughts on Flight, if you are not familiar.

 

I installed X-Plane 10 on my laptop last week, and it is very promising with great aircraft realism and graphics. Despite the fantastic graphics, they did not implement airport buildings or famous landmarks, but Laminar seems very willing to allow third party developers to get involved. I think they have a great future ahead of them. PMDG will decide what aircraft they want to try on X-Plane, and hopefully we will know soon.

 

I haven't heard anything about the ACES Team regrouping in someway, shape or form, and I thinks it was very stupid of MS to cut them off.

Hey Guys. yes, Tom is correct, recently in South Carolina at the XP conference, there was a "lively" conversation regarding the initial user experience regarding flight setup and Austin agreed to address it. How well he succeeds first time out is anybody's guess :P. BUT at least we can keep making suggestions. I can relate to Austin from an engineering point of view as I was born with one of those minds that says, "why change it if it works"....but of course taking that stance pretty much alienates everybody else and in my opinion, shows a lack of respect that we are all created quite different, with different preferences, abilities, circumstances, etc. It is really NOT that hard to put in enough flexibility to satisfy a broader audience. Anybody who's lived a bit longer than a few years knows that we all change our minds and it's been said that , "....the only thing constant is change" and I believe that is true here where Austin is ready to open up a bit.

 

No matter how correct anybody may or may not be as to predicting the future, or what x-plane needs to do or not do....the time it takes to reach that point will probably not change significantly as a vast majority of the market is not vocal and does what it does. X-Plane is going through a iterative growth phase whereby infusion of new resources (like add-on makers) yields a bit bigger audience....which yields a bit more market influence, which yields changes to x-plane from market pressure, which sucks in even more add-on artists with improvements, etc. etc. It will be to each of us as to when X-Plane has a minimum of appeal to pull each of us over.

 

Tom Kyler

Laminar / IXEG

I plan to use my FSX until my PC dies, which should be quite a few years, since its very new. I think MS alienated us with its new offering, and to top things off, they turned off third party developers, who have been the backbone of making FSX the fantastic sim that it is. Read Roberts thoughts on Flight, if you are not familiar.

 

I installed X-Plane 10 on my laptop last week, and it is very promising with great aircraft realism and graphics. Despite the fantastic graphics, they did not implement airport buildings or famous landmarks, but Laminar seems very willing to allow third party developers to get involved. I think they have a great future ahead of them. PMDG will decide what aircraft they want to try on X-Plane, and hopefully we will know soon.

 

I haven't heard anything about the ACES Team regrouping in someway, shape or form, and I thinks it was very stupid of MS to cut them off.

 

With your OV Ill predict 1-2 years @ most :)

 

MB

 

Hey Guys. yes, Tom is correct, recently in South Carolina at the XP conference, there was a "lively" conversation regarding the initial user experience regarding flight setup and Austin agreed to address it. How well he succeeds first time out is anybody's guess :P. BUT at least we can keep making suggestions. I can relate to Austin from an engineering point of view as I was born with one of those minds that says, "why change it if it works"....but of course taking that stance pretty much alienates everybody else and in my opinion, shows a lack of respect that we are all created quite different, with different preferences, abilities, circumstances, etc. It is really NOT that hard to put in enough flexibility to satisfy a broader audience. Anybody who's lived a bit longer than a few years knows that we all change our minds and it's been said that , "....the only thing constant is change" and I believe that is true here where Austin is ready to open up a bit.

 

No matter how correct anybody may or may not be as to predicting the future, or what x-plane needs to do or not do....the time it takes to reach that point will probably not change significantly as a vast majority of the market is not vocal and does what it does. X-Plane is going through a iterative growth phase whereby infusion of new resources (like add-on makers) yields a bit bigger audience....which yields a bit more market influence, which yields changes to x-plane from market pressure, which sucks in even more add-on artists with improvements, etc. etc. It will be to each of us as to when X-Plane has a minimum of appeal to pull each of us over.

 

Can we get an e-mail on that :)

Grate feature, I wrote what i want so Laminar can e-mail me when it @ that stage so I can go grab a copy from the store.

 

MB

Ow yeah, on the package it says: X-plane is a culmination of 20years of continuous development "20 years" and its widely copnsidered the most advanced desktop "simulation" where is the simulation ? Furtheremore At its core its a virtual windtunel, providing "realistic" Where is that at? World wide coverage ? where are the main structures here "the airports" NOW... when you read all this and the extreme graphics one expects a full platform, As I said this is a SIMULATOR coverage is big yet there are only a hanfull of airports, planes run trough buildings, and they are not more advanced that even the default aircrafts made som 6-7 years ago...

 

But as i said hope my money helps to finnish upp this platform to something I will enjoy in the near future I hope :)

 

MB

...its widely copnsidered the most advanced desktop "simulation" where is the simulation ?

 

C'mon. Are you serious?

 

Furtheremore At its core its a virtual windtunel, providing "realistic" Where is that at?

 

Maybe someone will build a "wind tunnel scenery" for you. But X-Plane uses something like that under the hood for aerodynamics simulation (see here).

 

 

World wide coverage ? where are the main structures here "the airports" NOW...

 

Well there is world-wide scenery coverage, as opposed to MS Flight, AeroflyFS and other sims. And there's lots of freeware for airports already available. Soon with the release of the new WED, you will see more and more airports being added, all automatically through the X-Plane updater. And payware airports are also on the way (check the Aerosoft forums for example).

 

when you read all this and the extreme graphics one expects a full platform, As I said this is a SIMULATOR coverage is big yet there are only a hanfull of airports, planes run trough buildings, and they are not more advanced that even the default aircrafts made som 6-7 years ago...

 

I don't think you'll have to wait very long until this gets fixed.

 

But as i said hope my money helps to finnish upp this platform to something I will enjoy in the near future I hope :)

 

You could show some faith and buy now. There are already a few great addons available and more to come very soon.

C'mon. Are you serious?

 

 

 

Maybe someone will build a "wind tunnel scenery" for you. But X-Plane uses something like that under the hood for aerodynamics simulation (see here).

 

 

 

 

Well there is world-wide scenery coverage, as opposed to MS Flight, AeroflyFS and other sims. And there's lots of freeware for airports already available. Soon with the release of the new WED, you will see more and more airports being added, all automatically through the X-Plane updater. And payware airports are also on the way (check the Aerosoft forums for example).

 

 

 

I don't think you'll have to wait very long until this gets fixed.

 

 

 

You could show some faith and buy now. There are already a few great addons available and more to come very soon.

 

I already bought it.. tahnks Thats how I know al this

 

MB

AND hey as I said no hard feelings but it's not up to my needs just yet, when it will be I'll be happy to buy it again :)

 

Im trying to simulate flying a plane here thats the Idea, and its nowhere near it, check my videos I posted earlyer.

That is how you simulate Flying real IFR, VFR flying From Start to stop with all moments there.

 

 

 

MB