I have XP10 and unfortunately it's gathering virtual dust. I would definitely use it more if they fixed the awful turbulence whenever real weather is used, and brought back the cloud shadows. Much potential but squash those bugs please.

AND hey as I said no hard feelings but it's not up to my needs just yet, when it will be I'll be happy to buy it again :)

 

OK, that was probably a misunderstanding. But your last post gave me a different impression.

 

Im trying to simulate flying a plane here thats the Idea, and its nowhere near it, check my videos I posted earlyer.

That is how you simulate Flying real IFR, VFR flying From Start to stop with all moments there.

 

These videos you posted basically showcase a couple of payware addons for FSX. iFly 737, FS2Crew, US Cities Las Vegas and some payware airports. So what, in your opinion, makes FSX as a platform better suited to simulate flying than X-Plane?

 

Like I said, the payware addon market for X-Plane may be not as mature as that for X-Plane. But there are some interesting addons available (CRJ200 and DC-3) and more on the horizon.

 

Look at the upcoming IXEG 737 classic for example:

 

But the scenery available for X-Plane10 right now as payware and what comes out of the box is pretty impressive already IMO.

 

More impressive scenery videos

, here and here.

"These videos you posted basically showcase a couple of payware addons for FSX. iFly 737, FS2Crew, US Cities Las Vegas and some payware airports. So what, in your opinion, makes FSX as a platform better suited to simulate flying than X-Plane?"

 

In short Its complete almost all airports are there and a hadful arent, almost near to completion world coverage. in xplane Its the other way around... IN fsx you can have 2 persons flying the same plane in MP. More than 24.000 airports with theyr freq and course. etc.

Better aircraft Default, ability to fly IFR, VFR, make a plan, Direct, low, high alt, vor, you can customize and assign every knob, button etc to a control or button, and much more.

 

ALL this are FSX default no add or pay ware

 

 

if you wanna know more read below.

 

Yes they are showcase of pay ware and its to show you how advanced the planes and other pay ware are in FSX. X-plane does not have all airports already there, do I have to pay for every airport I want to fly to?

 

 

The videos you posted seem to be more about scenery than flying a plane !

The pay airports for FSX are enhancements of airports that already exist. "in x-plane they are only a handful.

 

Extremely easy and fast to use (FSX)

 

X-planes load always a flight and while the sim is on you can choose plane go to options etc. Not as many assignable options to controllers, check what you can assign in FSX.

I want it to start something like fsx, a window that you can make your planning, choose planes, go into option without having to start the simulator first.

 

Options Like melt the CPU sounds a bit childish, and by the way I can have it on max and my CPU is not near as hot as when playing BF3 on ultrahigh although that's also cool.

I'd like to see more option, they may have a look in FSX.

The reason Ill change FSX is because when all the enhancers are there specially rex 2 it tend to not run as smooth as I like, and that will also be the reason any hardcore simmer will change.

 

So we simply want something as easy to use yet powerful as FSX, with better graphics and that it should have as many add-ons as FSX to be able to make a flight to anywhere in the world IFR, with ATC, FS2crew or alike, Traffic

There is no starting @ the gate @ whatever airport I choose, there is no real flight planner, calculate fuel, weights, vor, sid, stars, I don't know of any plane for X-plane that is as complex as IFLY 737NG "my favorite

and PMDG.

 

Planes go through buildings, there is no smoothness when the plane move on runway or on air, sometimes it's like bumping up and down when you have the outside look and much more, the AI traffic is not controlled by anything it s just there...

 

Cannot zoom in the sorry "cockpit"

 

The list can be made very long.

 

Whenever I fly with the FSX and IFLY It takes me around 30-45min just to do the planning, which airport I want to start from, gate, time of day, starting the traffic, graphical add-ons, the destination airport, planning fuel and weights, vor,sid,stars, getting airport and runway course, freq etc.

After I will press the start button and with the plane shutdown at the gate it will take me another 30-40min, to go through procedures, checklists, input all data into FMC and autopilot, radio and navigation, then request taxi clearance, pushback, start engines, taxi to runway, take of etc

 

I can find how to do all that with Xplane.

If all already exists and I'm just dumb and do not know about it I would love for you to point me in the right direction so I can immediately buy everything I need.

 

Even Laminar said that this will come with time.... the platform will be complete when I can do all that and everything will be there that I listed. I will buy it again when it will reach that stage.

 

When FSX was made 2006 it already had like almost all airport there you could fly IFR without the FMC and some modes on autopilot, almost anywhere in the world, you had Full ATC, traffic, the weather was OK, So it was nearly complete. You could even make you flitgh plan, IFR VFR and more things and this was released 2006

 

 

 

The real big thing that hupend after was airport enhancements, graphical enhancement, FS2crew or Live cockpit, and the pay ware aircraft but it was still complete from the beginning.

 

And what you show me seems to be all about the scenery, there is more to that for a sim to be complete.

 

So Laminar have been around for a while and now its 2012 and they come out with a half finished projekt, adding as it goes... When you buy A Simulator that have the word simulation in it , and saying its the next gen sim, shuld be just that.... look @ flight they removed the title for a reason.

 

 

 

Even graphics are better out of the box...

The lightning of runways and world are better do i Xplane but it about it.

And anywhere you search or look FSX is still the First choice.

 

Hope X-plane really gets to be the next platform, but they have alot of work to do!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ01if5ydgc

 

 

MB

Hre are some posts of other fellow simmers @ the Ifly comunity!

 

"xPlane may, one day, represent a real market. At the moment, given development costs and the instability of the framework (one dev who pretty much does what he pleases with it) it isn't..."

 

"Yeah Xplane has to basically stand alone as few flock to develop for it. I just bought Xp10 as I own Xp9, but never bothered much with it. Just bought my first payware plane GA for it, an fsx port, and was pleasently suprised at how enjoyable it was. Been playing around with Xp10 and the night effects are unreal. Sad thing is unless they get some serious plane makers to port a bird or two, it'll fail"

 

"Many simmers thought give an opportunity to Xplane, but we still have not because we haven´t iFly 737."

 

"Given the amount of work it will not happen anytime soon."

 

If it would have been so grate and they would know they dont work for nothing to get a bird done just for a handfull of people actualy buying it and using it in X-plane. They would have been hard @ work right now.

 

Laminar should buy IFLY, PMDG, FSX + addons, get a feeling, go in the comunities talk to people find out what they want how the future simulator should be etc, then get to work and when finished,,, Tada, here comes X-plane 12, it futures:" almost everything they ghatered as information within and outside the comunities.

 

I´ll promisse when that day comes all simmers will place an order almost instantly or drop everything and run to the store.

 

So when the sim will be complete and the comunity says we want to switch to X-plane than probably we get an advance jet, until than laminar should be hard @ work putting some major touches to the platform

 

 

MB

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Planes go through buildings

 

I thought you were into (your self-defined) "realistic" fliying. What place does smashing into buildings have in "realistic" flying?

Well thats dosent tend to hapen in the realworld unless ita an accident, that also ads of course to the reality.

Im begining to get tierd of this....

 

Fly your xplane and Ill fly my FSX.... Ill still going to buy X-plane or other platform that will be up to my needs.

 

Have a good one!

 

More videos.... to talk about textures :)

 

Dont forget to change the video qual to max on the videos!

 

also :

HERE and HERE and

 

:)

 

MB

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought you were into (your self-defined) "realistic" fliying. What place does smashing into buildings have in "realistic" flying?

I wonder what the reception would be like if I posted about half a dozen X Plane videos in the various FSX threads?

:diablo:

I can't speak for anyone else here, but whenever I see several consecutive posts by the same screen name, I tend to keep scrolling until I see a new name. There is an edit feature here. Would be nice if it got some love.

I wonder what the reception would be like if I posted about half a dozen X Plane videos in the various FSX threads?

:diablo:

 

Hey! sorry guys, there was never an intent to upset anyone, those where my reactions and explanations for various users.

I thought users where free to express themself... I did not remember anywhere in my posts insulting anyone or anything else for that matter.

 

If you think PMDG is better than Ifly than fine its your opinion, we can argue about it , but get mad its very childlishits a free world we can speak we can argue, but hey its kind of getting personal here.

 

Thats my opinion, respect it and thats it. Onw of the reasons why one should stick to its own forums, my bad I did not know people got insulted of someone speaking his mind and thoughts, so simple was that, sory for writing that much you dont need to read everything.

 

Im also supporting x-plane I bought the thing didnt I 60euros, and I also said Ill buy it again when it suites my needs....

 

I dont se things as aaa fsx or aaa xplane, Im simply choosing the best platform today for MY needs, if your needs are different than itsupp to you if you should choose flight.

 

 

Thanks!

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In short Its complete almost all airports are there and a hadful arent, almost near to completion world coverage. in xplane Its the other way around...

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FSX has 24.000 airports in its database. X-Plane has 18.000 I guess. Big deal. The difference between the two: The X-Plane database is crowd-sourced. It's constantly changing. The FSX database doesn't unless you install addon airports. And soon you will get airports with hand-placed buildings via the update function, as opposed to the generated stuff you see in FSX.

 

 

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IN fsx you can have 2 persons flying the same plane in MP.

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Are you saying the iFly 737 supports shared cockpit through FSX multiplayer? I was under the impression that the Leonardo MD80 is the only airliner addon that supports that (and it doesn't always work well).

 

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Better aircraft Default, ability to fly IFR, VFR, make a plan, Direct, low, high alt, vor,

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Agreed. It would be nice to have something similar in X-Plane. But I was always under the impression that none of the hardcore simmers use the FSX flight planner anyway but rely on external tools instead.

 

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you can customize and assign every knob, button etc to a control or button, and much more.

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Hm, I always thought that you could do that in X-Plane too.

 

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Yes they are showcase of pay ware and its to show you how advanced the planes and other pay ware are in FSX. X-plane does not have all airports already there, do I have to pay for every airport I want to fly to?

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No. Like I said: wait for the updates.

 

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The videos you posted seem to be more about scenery than flying a plane !

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There are lots of videos featuring aircraft too. But most of the simmer videos you find on youtube are made by people who are obsessed with eyecandy. That's why I posted those.

 

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The pay airports for FSX are enhancements of airports that already exist. "in x-plane they are only a handful.

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As I said earlier: that's gonna change soon.

 

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Extremely easy and fast to use (FSX)

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Agreed. That's X-Plane's big weakness atm.

 

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X-planes load always a flight and while the sim is on you can choose plane go to options etc. Not as many assignable options to controllers, check what you can assign in FSX.

I want it to start something like fsx, a window that you can make your planning, choose planes, go into option without having to start the simulator first.

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As said before: This is in the works. Just have to wait a few months maybe.

 

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Options Like melt the CPU sounds a bit childish, and by the way I can have it on max and my CPU is not near as hot as when playing BF3 on ultrahigh although that's also cool.

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Is that a good or bad thing? You'll always have to find a balance between being CPU-bound or GPU-bound.

 

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I'd like to see more option, they may have a look in FSX.

The reason Ill change FSX is because when all the enhancers are there specially rex 2 it tend to not run as smooth as I like, and that will also be the reason any hardcore simmer will change.

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I thought you didn't like to pay for stuff to enhance things. You already have clouds in FSX. What's wrong with them? But see for yourself:

 

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So we simply want something as easy to use yet powerful as FSX, with better graphics and that it should have as many add-ons as FSX to be able to make a flight to anywhere in the world IFR, with ATC, FS2crew or alike, Traffic

There is no starting @ the gate @ whatever airport I choose, there is no real flight planner, calculate fuel, weights, vor, sid, stars, I don't know of any plane for X-plane that is as complex as IFLY 737NG "my favorite

and PMDG.

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It will take a little while for the addon market to catch up. But where do you see yourself in 2-3 years? Still stuck with FSX?

 

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Planes go through buildings, there is no smoothness when the plane move on runway or on air, sometimes it's like bumping up and down when you have the outside look and much more, the AI traffic is not controlled by anything it s just there...

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Some bugs. If you really want to talk about bugs, I can make a very long list of what's broken in FSX. Just think of weather simulation, icing, completely broken ground handling and that wonderful default jet engine model spooling up to max N1 during start.

 

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Cannot zoom in the sorry "cockpit"

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Not sure what you mean by that. I can zoom in the cockpits.

 

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Whenever I fly with the FSX and IFLY It takes me around 30-45min just to do the planning, which airport I want to start from, gate, time of day, starting the traffic, graphical add-ons, the destination airport, planning fuel and weights, vor,sid,stars, getting airport and runway course, freq etc.

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You really spend 30-45 minutes in the FSX flight planner? I find that hard to belive.

 

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After I will press the start button and with the plane shutdown at the gate it will take me another 30-40min, to go through procedures, checklists, input all data into FMC and autopilot, radio and navigation, then request taxi clearance, pushback, start engines, taxi to runway, take of etc

 

I can find how to do all that with Xplane.

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I don't remember the FSX ATC having a 'request for pushback' option. But the stuff mentioned above can be done with XP aircraft too.

 

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If all already exists and I'm just dumb and do not know about it I would love for you to point me in the right direction so I can immediately buy everything I need.

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You could start with the JRollon CRJ200. I don't have it but it's supposed to be very good. Maybe the senior X-Planers can point you to some other great addons.

 

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Even Laminar said that this will come with time.... the platform will be complete when I can do all that and everything will be there that I listed. I will buy it again when it will reach that stage.

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I hope that won't be too long in the future :-)

 

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When FSX was made 2006 it already had like almost all airport there you could fly IFR without the FMC and some modes on autopilot, almost anywhere in the world, you had Full ATC, traffic, the weather was OK, So it was nearly complete. You could even make you flitgh plan, IFR VFR and more things and this was released 2006

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And now you are stuck with a 2006 airport database, 2006 technology. OOMs and CTDs that will never be fixed. FSX developers are trying to push the bounds of what FSX was made for, but they're hitting brick walls. It's a 32bit app and thats a tough limitation. X-Plane is going 64bit in the future and you will see the difference of what can be done with this soon.

 

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The real big thing that hupend after was airport enhancements, graphical enhancement, FS2crew or Live cockpit, and the pay ware aircraft but it was still complete from the beginning.

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There are several people who beg to differ about this statement.

 

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And what you show me seems to be all about the scenery, there is more to that for a sim to be complete.

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You are repeating yourself. See somewhere above for the answer.

 

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So Laminar have been around for a while and now its 2012 and they come out with a half finished projekt, adding as it goes... When you buy A Simulator that have the word simulation in it , and saying its the next gen sim, shuld be just that.... look @ flight they removed the title for a reason.

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Are you saying X-Plane is not a simulator because it doesn't carry the word "simulator" in its product title?

 

 

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Even graphics are better out of the box...

The lightning of runways and world are better do i Xplane but it about it.

And anywhere you search or look FSX is still the First choice.

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Sorry, but I don't understand these sentences.

 

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Hope X-plane really gets to be the next platform, but they have alot of work to do!

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They do have a lot of work to do. But I'm confident that they're actually working on it.

Hey! sorry guys, there was never an intent to upset anyone, those where my reactions and explanations for various users.

I thought users where free to express themself... I did not remember anywhere in my posts insulting anyone or anything else for that matter.

 

If you think PMDG is better than Ifly than fine its your opinion, we can argue about it , but get mad its very childlishits a free world we can speak we can argue, but hey its kind of getting personal here.

 

Thats my opinion, respect it and thats it. Onw of the reasons why one should stick to its own forums, my bad I did not know people got insulted of someone speaking his mind and thoughts, so simple was that, sory for writing that much you dont need to read everything.

 

Im also supporting x-plane I bought the thing didnt I 60euros, and I also said Ill buy it again when it suites my needs....

 

I dont se things as aaa fsx or aaa xplane, Im simply choosing the best platform today for MY needs, if your needs are different than itsupp to you if you should choose flight.

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

Speaking for myself, I'm not upset.

You seem to be very passionate about FSX. At least, that's the interpretation I get. So by all means, fly in it, enjoy it, buy payware for it, maybe even develop for it.

You actually CAN insult people by speaking your mind. However, I hope you don't mix in "freedom of speech" within the avsim forums. Tom Allensworth, himself, has said that freedom of speech does not apply to AVSIM.

Again, it's obvious you enjoy FSX. So please enjoy it. Might I suggest that instead of posting videos of FSX in the X Plane forums, why don't you post them in the Screenshot and Video section of AVSIM. Many more people will see them there.

Looks like we got someone here that can argue without thed simbols and stuff ...

 

Anyways, as much as I would love to explain everything again I wont, because we still have different views... 737ng is the aircraft of my choise "crj is not... and about the 18.000 airports where do you find them ? i went in to choose location and only got a handfull, the same with my controllers It is a list of probably 30 items to choose from like flaps, trims, ruder and so, in fsx the list is very complete. I said FSX is complete but that i want my skyes or airports to look more nicely. why not. pusback is not something you request with ATC but you can pushback, reqest can be made via FS2crew. I dont find how to start at the gate of any airport nor how to plan an route, or insert that into fmc.

 

Its still not covering my needs!

One more Ill still buyit when think it will be ready for me.

You are not exploring X Plane enough and have not seen what is really available in terms of functionality.

If you like, have a read of the X Plane manual.

http://www.x-plane.com/files/manuals/X-Plane_10_Desktop_manual.pdf

Speaking for myself, I'm not upset.

You seem to be very passionate about FSX. At least, that's the interpretation I get. So by all means, fly in it, enjoy it, buy payware for it, maybe even develop for it.

You actually CAN insult people by speaking your mind. However, I hope you don't mix in "freedom of speech" within the avsim forums. Tom Allensworth, himself, has said that freedom of speech does not apply to AVSIM.

Again, it's obvious you enjoy FSX. So please enjoy it. Might I suggest that instead of posting videos of FSX in the X Plane forums, why don't you post them in the Screenshot and Video section of AVSIM. Many more people will see them there.

 

As I said Im both new to this forum and X-plane, nr2 this discussion just developed here so I just wrote here.

 

Im very passionate about FSX and the addons since I spent alot of H and time into it, I made only simply suggestions that Xplane may or may not take into consideration, I know the comunities of harcore simmers and we take simulation of an aircraft perhaps to serious, so we do not get pleased with just 1-2-3 things beeing there we prety much want the package since we are used to it....

 

 

ABout Xploring Xplane that is also why I mentioned I would liked for it to start as FSX and be so user frendly when it comes to making a flight plan, u press flight plan , choose country adn airport , gate etc for departure then klick destination and do the same, select if you want VFR, IFR, vor to vor etc, then you press find route, you go then and and or remove vors directly on the map you get the freq and course for the runway, then you choose aircraft, time of day, then I start with the plane shut down @ the gate, i input everything i the planes fmc and autopilot, start the plane request taxi, do checklists etc ATC will be awear of me one i press progresive taxi, and wil warn both be or other planes for potential colision, traffic will stop to let you pass and dont crash into you, then I do everything a normal pilot would do during the taxi, before runway, take of after takeof and so on.

 

 

This is what I can not have in Xplane in terms of plane:

 

Detailed Aircraft Features List:

FMS:

• Winds aloft forecast entries.
  
• Conditional waypoints for SIDS/STARS/Approaches.
  
• Fly-by and Fly-over waypoints for SIDS/STARS/Approaches.
  
• Accurate Cost Index calculations for LRC/ECON speeds
  
• Horizontal and vertical navigation.
  
• User defined and conditional waypoints.
  
• Sid/star and navdata custom database.
  
• ETA and Fuel prediction.
  
• All pages and menus are implemented.
  
• Color display.
  
• Maintenance pages.
  

Autopilot:

• Realistic Autopilot Flight Director System with Autothrottle System.
  
• Autothrottle (A/T) Engaged Mode:
  
• N1 - MCP SPD
  
• GA - THR HLD
  
• Retard - ARM
  
• FMC SPD
  
• Roll Mode:
  
• HDG SEL - LNAV
  
• VOR/LOC
  
• Pitch Mode
  
• TO/GA - G/S
  
• V/S - FLARE
  
• MCP SPD - VNAV SPD
  
• ALT/ACQ - VNAV PTH
  
• ALT HOLD - VNAV ALT
  
• Leg Types:
  
• Track to Fix
  
• Direct to Fix
  
• Arc to Fix
  
• Course to Fix
  
• Radius to Fix
  
• Heading
  
• With left and right Flight Director.
  
• Cross-bar or single cue flight director.
  
• Two individual flight control computers (FCCs).
  
• Fully simulated AFDS Status Annunciation.
  
• Pitch/Roll CWS with a CMD Engage Switch Selected.
  
• Activation of mouse wheel for easier MCP windows settings.
  

Exterior Model:

• 737-600/700/800/900/BBJ/BBJ2/BBJ3
  
• 3DS Max Model
  
• Realistic control surfaces.
  
• Working elevator power.
  
• Realistic flight spoilers and ground spoilers.
  
• Working autoslat.
  
• Nozzle valve animation.
  
• Working APU doors.
  
• Entry & cargo doors with corresponding cockpit light.
  
• High quality livery textures.
  
• Flex wing.
  

Virtual Cockpit:

• Gauges fully functional and clickable. Every switch, knob, lever is modeled in 3d and animated.
  
• Animated windows, Wipers(two speeds) and more.
  
• Superb instrument lightning at night.
  
• Windshield reflection and rain effects.
  

Systems:

• Fully simulated Inertial Reference System.
  
• Display type (PFD/ND or EFIS);
  
• NAV1/2 receiver with working AUTO/MAN mode.
  
• Realistic Ground proximity Warning System.
  
• Cabin pressurization gauge & logic fully implemented.
  
• Flap load relief protection and autoslats logic.
  
• New failures.
  
• Aural alert.
  
• Simulation of Left and Right EFIS.
  
• Full TCAS logic (with traffic display on EHSI).
  
• 2D Panel supports both standard and widescreen monitors.
  
• Hundreds of programable key assignments
  
• You have the ability to operate both captain and first officers ND`s in different modes together while in 2D widescreen and in the virtual cockpit .
  

Miscellaneous:

• With engine CFM567b: 18/20/22/24/26/27.
  
• Interactive Configuration Manager.
  
• Many custom configuration options.
  
• Detailed operation manual,tutorial and QRH included.
  
• Aircraft performance calculated directly from flight model parameters.
  
• New very smooth GDI based CRT displays.
  
• With sound package.
  
• More than 44,500 SIDs/STARs included.
  
• Ground support and push back.
  

 

 

The operation manual for it Is about 800 pages + 25pages of checklist and procedures, and an FS2crew manual of 61 pages

 

This is to make you see that we are preaty advanced simmers.

MB

If X Plane isn't for you, and you are passionate about FSX, then please, stick with FSX.