How many hours did you spend concocting that list? Anyways I'm glad to see Goran didn't rise to the bait. By the way go and try posting all that rubbish in Flight forum and see how far you get.

Rubbish "your opinion" you could try I dont think people will be rude ? why would you be? did I do anything to you ?

I consider we are having an argue and talk about what I or anyone else miss in Xplane and what could be better ? what is the problem in that?

Really nobody makes you read, if its rubish just skip reading the posts

 

 

 

 

 

And about the list is simply copy and paste

from http://en.shop.aeros...ight Simulation

 

 

MB

Folks, let's cool down a bit. I don't want this threadd to be locked or deleted.

 

The problem I have with ctdredvirus's argumentation is that he's constantly changing his point between "I want everything delivered out of the box and FSX does that" and "there are so many great payware addons for FSX that improve my simming experience".

 

I'm not gonna waste any more time replying to these posts.

 

So let's bring the discussion back to PMDG and their X-Plane committment.

Folks, let's cool down a bit. I don't want this threadd to be locked or deleted.

 

The problem I have with ctdredvirus's argumentation is that he's constantly changing his point between "I want everything delivered out of the box and FSX does that" and "there are so many great payware addons for FSX that improve my simming experience".

 

I'm not gonna waste any more time replying to these posts.

 

So let's bring the discussion back to PMDG and their X-Plane committment.

 

Sorry for my english I said I want a complete platform , most of the world, most of the airports, I dont find them in Xplane, Start from gate, even def airc had a simple interc´face of cold and dark in fsx, Im not finding things in Xplane, Laminar said them self in the begining of post most things "will be added" they are not there yet. those things was fsx delivered with.... and than we have the extra addons.

 

There are still people using fs2004 "even fs 2004 have more addons than xplane" and other using xplane for the fact that even the most powerfull maschines have some truble running fsx on high settings, many dont have the money to spend 2000euro for a pc tu run fsx and even they have to be OV.

 

Why do you think 3rdparty are still making stuff for fsx, aircrafts, tools, graphics etc? because its the most reliable and complete platform and its a first choise, X-Plane been around for a while why dosen it have as many, because isnt the first choice.

Also they know that fsx will stand awhile longer

 

Ow and we are uppdated through3rd party hum keep developing, little ex, UT2 updates all the departures and arivals on all terminals, they are all leaving and arriving as the real planes :)

 

And for you not reading my posts throug, Is nothing more that I want but for X-plane to develop so it takes over fsx market.

So I simply said its not ready yet from "my view" forget the why?

So back on topic:

 

Let's start some speculation. At the Munich flight sim conference, Robert Randazzo said:

 

"We have selected and airplane that's going to be the first one that gets ported over. I'm not going to say which one it is, because if there's a chance that if we find that it goes more smoothly than we thought that we'll change it and move a different airplane and if it doesn't go as smoothly we'll change it and move a different airplane."

 

(Source: http://youtu.be/mZi4i-LI8bo?t=9m8s)

 

I read that as:

"We are trying to get the NGX ported over. If it goes better than expected, it'll be the 777 or 747. If not, it'll be the J41 or DC-6".

 

What do you guys think about that statement?

 

Furthermore, I really hope that PMDG are not just trying to do a 1:1 port, but also take advantage of X-Plane's additional capabilities. I'd really love to see them making an airliner with working weather radar, because this is a big issue for FSX hardcore simmers and could pose as a USP to make them switch to XP10.

I'm passionate about FSX, and third party developers are the backbone of its success. Like I said earlier, the dissolution of ACES and the policies of MS Flight have alienated a lot of people. I'll enjoy FSX for a few more years, but what happens as computers and processors change? That's why I see a good future for Laminar. They have a great attitude. I'll continue to do most of my flying in FSX, but I will toy around with X Plane on my laptop periodically to get comfortable with the program.

So back on topic:

 

Let's start some speculation. At the Munich flight sim conference, Robert Randazzo said:

 

 

 

I read that as:

"We are trying to get the NGX ported over. If it goes better than expected, it'll be the 777 or 747. If not, it'll be the J41 or DC-6".

 

What do you guys think about that statement?

 

Furthermore, I really hope that PMDG are not just trying to do a 1:1 port, but also take advantage of X-Plane's additional capabilities. I'd really love to see them making an airliner with working weather radar, because this is a big issue for FSX hardcore simmers and could pose as a USP to make them switch to XP10.

 

It won't be a straight "port" to X Plane. Things will need to be coded again...especially anything with glass displays. Extremely unlikely it'll be an airliner. If I had to guess (and it is just a guess), it'll be either the 1900C/D or the J41.

BTW, X Plane has a weather radar as default. No coding necessary. It's pretty cool.

So back on topic:

 

Let's start some speculation. At the Munich flight sim conference, Robert Randazzo said:

 

 

 

I read that as:

"We are trying to get the NGX ported over. If it goes better than expected, it'll be the 777 or 747. If not, it'll be the J41 or DC-6".

 

What do you guys think about that statement?

 

Furthermore, I really hope that PMDG are not just trying to do a 1:1 port, but also take advantage of X-Plane's additional capabilities. I'd really love to see them making an airliner with working weather radar, because this is a big issue for FSX hardcore simmers and could pose as a USP to make them switch to XP10.

 

Ifly is working on they future pack it will future real weather radar..... I have a grate picture but dont know how to share it

Its only for the comunity... and this is for FSX :) I switch in a giffie when the time comes :)

 

I'm passionate about FSX, and third party developers are the backbone of its success. Like I said earlier, the dissolution of ACES and the policies of MS Flight have alienated a lot of people. I'll enjoy FSX for a few more years, but what happens as computers and processors change? That's why I see a good future for Laminar. They have a great attitude. I'll continue to do most of my flying in FSX, but I will toy around with X Plane on my laptop periodically to get comfortable with the program.

 

Thats what I ment only in very short words...

Thanks!

Ifly is working on they future pack it will future real weather radar..... I have a grate picture but dont know how to share it

Its only for the comunity... and this is for FSX :)

 

Not meaning to sound blunt, rude or too forward, but it's an x plane forum. Not an iFly forum. If you want to discuss the iFly weather radar...

http://ifly.flight1.net/forums/default.asp

MB is simply expressing his desire for what he wants in a sim, a desire each of us is entitled to. FSX has a level of add-on product maturity that X-Plane simply does not have yet. I think there is a pretty good case that default X-Plane scores higher than default FSX, if not in "feature X", then certainly in "feature y", like night lighting, HDR, and soon to be 64-bit...BUT when most people say, "FSX"....what they really mean is "FSX + addons" since they go hand in hand really....and FSX+addons is WAAAYY more comprehensive than X-Plane+addons and WAAAYY more complete and I am guessing that MB is simply saying that he wishes "XPlane+addons" was a bit more complete. Well so do I :) BUT, the growth process can't be accelerated and it will go on its own momentum. Fortunately, users have the FSX option for a few years yet while x-plane does its thing. It is kind of like the "westward expansion" of the United States in the 1800s where, during the growth period, there just wasn't much out west except potential; however the potential was enough to encourage pilgrims and eventually the masses to follow. X-Plane will get there.

 

What do you guys think about that statement?

I think (speculative of course) that PMDG would probabably start with the J41 as it's their simplest aircraft and a safer bet to test the x-plane waters. If they get to the point where they think, yes, we can do this, then they may jump in with the NGX. I myself, as a IXEG team member, have an interest in what they do because if our 737 classic does well, we will certainly give consideration to doing an NG also as it's just a "hop, skip and jump" from the classic to the NG since almost all our code is reusable. Until we have a proven product on the market though, any words here by me are just lip service of course, but being about 80% complete with systems coding, well tested and having shown it to Aerosoft and a few others, I am confident it will satisfy.

 

Tom, forgive my ignorance, were you implying that FSX/PMDG does not have a working weather radar? (Time for IXEG Plug) I can tell you of one X-Plane development group that begins with the letter 'I' that has quite the radar simulation, highly customized over default and staggering in it's realism if you ask me. I am really excited about when you guys see finally get to see just how much stuff we've crammed into the 737 classic. I know we're a bunch of unknowns, but think folks will be really surprised in just how much subtle realism they'll be getting.

 

 

Tom Kyler

IXEG / Laminar

Ifly is working on they future pack it will future real weather radar..... I have a grate picture but dont know how to share it

Its only for the comunity... and this is for FSX :)

If you want to talk about the iFly, go to the FS9 forum, because that's where most of its users are. This discussion is about PMDG and X-Plane.

 

It won't be a straight "port" to X Plane. Things will need to be coded again...especially anything with glass displays. Extremely unlikely it'll be an airliner. If I had to guess (and it is just a guess), it'll be either the 1900C/D or the J41.

BTW, X Plane has a weather radar as default. No coding necessary. It's pretty cool.

 

I'm well aware that this "port" will have practially everything recoded, except for some systems logic maybe. It's OpenGL vs DirectX and SimConnect vs. whatever the API in X-Plane is called.

 

Not sure if PMDG would use the default weather radar, because it's too omniscient. I guess if they do it, they'll want the gain and tilt knobs to be fully functional. Also, they wouldn't want to see any returns displayed where they couldn't be displayed in reality.

MB is simply expressing his desire for what he wants in a sim, a desire each of us is entitled to. FSX has a level of add-on product maturity that X-Plane simply does not have yet. I think there is a pretty good case that default X-Plane scores higher than default FSX, if not in "feature X", then certainly in "feature y", like night lighting, HDR, and soon to be 64-bit...BUT when most people say, "FSX"....what they really mean is "FSX + addons" since they go hand in hand really....and FSX+addons is WAAAYY more comprehensive than X-Plane+addons and WAAAYY more complete and I am guessing that MB is simply saying that he wishes "XPlane+addons" was a bit more complete. Well so do I :) BUT, the growth process can't be accelerated and it will go on its own momentum. Fortunately, users have the FSX option for a few years yet while x-plane does its thing. It is kind of like the "westward expansion" of the United States in the 1800s where, during the growth period, there just wasn't much out west except potential; however the potential was enough to encourage pilgrims and eventually the masses to follow. X-Plane will get there.

 

 

I think (speculative of course) that PMDG would probabably start with the J41 as it's their simplest aircraft and a safer bet to test the x-plane waters. If they get to the point where they think, yes, we can do this, then they may jump in with the NGX. I myself, as a IXEG team member, have an interest in what they do because if our 737 classic does well, we will certainly give consideration to doing an NG also as it's just a "hop, skip and jump" from the classic to the NG since almost all our code is reusable. Until we have a proven product on the market though, any words here by me are just lip service of course, but being about 80% complete with systems coding, well tested and having shown it to Aerosoft and a few others, I am confident it will satisfy.

 

Tom, forgive my ignorance, were you implying that FSX/PMDG does not have a working weather radar? (Time for IXEG Plug) I can tell you of one X-Plane development group that begins with the letter 'I' that has quite the radar simulation, highly customized over default and staggering in it's realism if you ask me. I am really excited about when you guys see finally get to see just how much stuff we've crammed into the 737 classic. I know we're a bunch of unknowns, but think folks will be really surprised in just how much subtle realism they'll be getting.

 

Tom Kyler

IXEG / Laminar

 

GRATE TO HEAR TOM!

exaclty the words :)

Hope for rapid development... tierd of OLD FSX

But forgive me for keeping it until your ready :)

 

MB

 

If you want to talk about the iFly, go to the FS9 forum, because that's where most of its users are. This discussion is about PMDG and X-Plane.

 

 

 

I'm well aware that this "port" will have practially everything recoded, except for some systems logic maybe. It's OpenGL vs DirectX and SimConnect vs. whatever the API in X-Plane is called.

 

Not sure if PMDG would use the default weather radar, because it's too omniscient. I guess if they do it, they'll want the gain and tilt knobs to be fully functional. Also, they wouldn't want to see any returns displayed where they couldn't be displayed in reality.

 

Yeah but since" ....... "if it bothers you that much" is a part of FSX it is available for fsx, and there is one more but I dont know the name now. you said fsx had problems with this so I responded, you can speak but i cant ?

 

Im sure PMDG wil make an outstanding aircraft for xplane. I would like to ask does the platform decide what it can or can not to to some extent ?

MB

I think (speculative of course) that PMDG would probabably start with the J41 as it's their simplest aircraft and a safer bet to test the x-plane waters. If they get to the point where they think, yes, we can do this, then they may jump in with the NGX.

 

Hm, but what about their "plan-c". They said that they might do something simpler if the plane they're currently porting doesn't go that well. Dash-8? Or the Beech1900 as Goran suggested?

 

Tom, forgive my ignorance, were you implying that FSX/PMDG does not have a working weather radar?

That's correct. Working weather radars are not possible in FSX (there is no real weather simulation outside a small radius of the player's aircraft). PMDG repeatedly said that they won't do one that just fakes radar returns like some other FSX developers do.

Hm, but what about their "plan-c". They said that they might do something simpler if the plane they're currently porting doesn't go that well. Dash-8? Or the Beech1900 as Goran suggested?

 

 

That's correct. Working weather radars are not possible in FSX (there is no real weather simulation outside a small radius of the player's aircraft). PMDG repeatedly said that they won't do one that just fakes radar returns like some other FSX developers do.

 

Its getting the data from ex: sky ex evolution another addon that downloads and apply realworld weather at all times...

Glad to inform. so is no fake.

 

MB

Its getting the data from ex: sky ex evolution another addon that downloads and apply realworld weather at all times...

Glad to inform. so is no fake.

 

The point is that the iFly has to interface with an external weather engine in order to achieve that. What if I don't want to buy/use ActiveSky? That's why no other developer has even considered doing that.