I'm confused as to what we're getting at in this thread. No sarcasm, I just need someone to actually say what it is we're trying to accomplish here. To the OP. You specifically admit you're comparing apples to oranges. You offer no AA settings used, no scenario made specifically for the "comparison". No standard is followed. I'm just lost.

 

I think you are confused, because I spelled it all out in the post. I also provided 2 videos showing what I see. What is confusing about that? I also started this thread because there might be other ATI users who would benefit from this topic. I also said I would post my CCC settings, and here they are. But honestly, I don't understand why that is going to change anything. If you see what I get with my settings, then why should I run my AA settings higher to slow my system down? That would make zero sense.

 

CCC Settings:

 

 

My FSX Settings:

 

 

 

 

 

It clearly shows that you come in here, try to disgruntle a few members with some bold statements, and then attempt to cover your ground without any solid basis.

 

Nvidia F@nb0ys Everywhere :lol:

I am done with this... This thread has accomplished nothing.

 

It clearly shows that you come in here, try to disgruntle a few members with some bold statements, and then attempt to cover your ground without any solid basis.

 

 

 

+1

 

LOL What part of sharing 2 videos, two screen shots, and my CCC and FSX settings aren't considered solid basis. Honestly, I tried to open an honest discussion about why I might be seeing what I am seeing, and it turned into an immature a really excited user flame out.

 

I am the only one providing ANY details. LOL

 

Sorry, with my settings in fsx(exactly the same as Word Not Allowed's) and his cloud test, with all my respects, is totally impossible that you can get 27 fps on the aa cloud test. Of course with the same fsx settings and comparable levels of aa of 8s+2 or 4 sgsaa.

 

For me, Word Not Allowed's cloud test is a very good benchmark of what a gpu is capable of, follow his guide and settings, do the cloud bench. Im almost 100% sure that it will be difficult for a 5850 to get double digits fps, based on performance of my ex 7950.

 

Tapatalk2, Samsung Galaxy Note.

 

The video shows the performance I have, so you don't need to take my word for it. And can we stop talking about AA levels? Do you not like my videos? They don't seem smooth and jaggie free enough?

 

You know guys, I am really surprised by the response I am receiving on this. I thought we are adults. I gave you videos. I gave you settings. I gave you screen shots. Either I am making this ###### up, or there is something to my setup that could help others. And honestly, I don't get the feeling you guys really care about them. It's like I hurt your feelings because my ATI card is out-performing some of the higher end cards. Really? Are we that immature?

I think you are confused, because I spelled it all out in the post. I also provided 2 videos showing what I see. What is confusing about that? I also started this thread because there might be other ATI users who would benefit from this topic. I also said I would post my CCC settings, and here they are. But honestly, I don't understand why that is going to change anything. If you see what I get with my settings, then why should I run my AA settings higher to slow my system down? That would make zero sense.

 

CCC Settings:

 

 

 

My FSX Settings:

 

As a matter of fact, I am confused. That was the point of my post. But not because of any ignorance on my part.

 

What you've effectively proven --through your own admittance, I might add-- is that you're seeing better performance from the AMD card because you're using a different scenarios per card! I've yet to see Nvidia AA settings. Both videos are in different scenarios (IE DIFFERENT FPS) Elaborating =========> Traffic may have been a factor. Different AA settings. Different cloud densities. Different aircraft! :Doh: Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

So actually, I retract my statement, I'm not lost. I'm curious as to what you think you're on to.

 

 

Nvidia F@nb0ys Everywhere :lol:

 

You guys friends? Because you both have the same join date... Reporting. Never mind, have fun kids!

Nvidia F@nb0ys Everywhere :lol:

 

I've had 2 AMD GPUs in my system in the past year...? I've never left any indication that I am a F@nb0y. I simply just point it out to someone when they don't provide evidence for largely audacious claims.

 

 

 

You guys friends? Because you both have the same join date... Reporting.

 

Thank you...

I think you are confused, because I spelled it all out in the post. I also provided 2 videos showing what I see. What is confusing about that? I also started this thread because there might be other ATI users who would benefit from this topic. I also said I would post my CCC settings, and here they are. But honestly, I don't understand why that is going to change anything. If you see what I get with my settings, then why should I run my AA settings higher to slow my system down? That would make zero sense.

 

CCC Settings:

 

 

My FSX Settings:

 

 

 

 

 

 

for the love of wilbur and orville...get the dx10 shader fix and use dx10 preview

So actually, I retract my statement, I'm not lost. I'm curious as to what you think you're on to.

 

What I am trying to show is that my setup is providing performance on par or better than much higher end cards. I provided 2 videos, and one by the way is of a benchmark that many others have run here. So this video is completely relevant. I recorded it so there wouldn't be any question about it being valid. And THAT should have been all you needed to say "WAIT A MINUTE?". I am bringing up the topic as a question. Why do I get such good results? Don't you think the answer to that would be of value to others?

 

I need to say one more thing about AA levels. If I see jaggie free graphics that are smooth, and tear free, do I care what AA level I run? Should you? Because let's face it, if you can achieve that isn't that ALL that matters?

 

I've had 2 AMD GPUs in my system in the past year...? I've never left any indication that I am a F@nb0y. I simply just point it out to someone when they don't provide evidence for largely audacious claims.

 

And I take offense to that Ben. I gave you everything you need to judge. You are just deciding to ignore the facts I have provided. 2 videos, CCC and FSX settings aren't enough? And...I have repeatedly asked you to provide a video so I can see the difference. I am still waiting on that.

 

Realistically, I am the only one in this discussion providing any facts.

 

You guys friends? Because you both have the same join date... Reporting. Never mind, have fun kids!

 

Are you serious?

 

for the love of wilbur and orville...get the dx10 shader fix and use dx10 preview

 

In an ironic way, your comment is the only one so far that has helped in any way. So you don't think the videos look good? That is helpful, and really all I was asking anyone to comment on. Do you have a video of your system running the dx10 shader fix?

After trying to read this thread, currently not having much time - I would like to know: what is the point of it? To prove that ATI is slower than Nvidia? To understand why? What?

 

I only see a topic which says are nvidia really more powerful than ATI? Yes. They are. In controlled environments, with comparable settings, they are. End of discussion on that.

 

This thread is:

Either getting locked or renamed by the topic if you wish to pursue some goal here.

 

So, what it is gonna be?

Nvidia F@nb0ys Everywhere :lol:

 

I honestly thought there would have been a bit more curiosity from some of these guys. Very disappointed in the attitude.

What I am trying to show is that my setup is providing performance on par or better than much higher end cards. I provided 2 videos, and one by the way is of a benchmark that many others have run here. So this video is completely relevant. I recorded it so there wouldn't be any question about it being valid. And THAT should have been all you needed to say "WAIT A MINUTE?". I am bringing up the topic as a question. Why do I get such good results? Don't you think the answer to that would be of value to others?

 

I need to say one more thing about AA levels. If I see jaggie free graphics that are smooth, and tear free, do I care what AA level I run? Should you? Because let's face it, if you can achieve that isn't that ALL that matters?

 

Okay. Now you want to discuss.

 

Why do I care, you ask? There's many factors you've decided to throw out of the comparison. For that reason, your question has no basis because you've essentially "thrown" the comparison in your AMD card's favor. Don't dilute the tried and true methods of seasoned FSX "gurus" on a helpful forum. Try to get the field level when comparing.

 

I'll put it another way: Would you compare an Nvidia and AMD card by running Batman with extreme settings on the Nvidia and lowest on the AMD? No? Then why do the same maneuver with FSX?

 

 

I honestly thought there would have been a bit more curiosity from some of these guys. Very disappointed in the attitude.

 

Dude, we're not curious because your thread starts off by saying "I'm not comparing apples to apples". If this is a troll, I applaud it's dramatic and over the top presentation.

What I am trying to show is that my setup is providing performance on par or better than much higher end cards.

 

Then you are doing something wrong. Be aware that 4x AA in your CCC is NOT the same as 4x SGSS on the Nvidia card, not by difference in quality or performance.

Lemme put 4x MSAA on the FSX and I'll get 100FPS in ORBX land. 200FPS everywhere else. (of course I am exaggerating here, but you get the idea)

After trying to read this thread, currently not having much time - I would like to know: what is the point of it? To prove that ATI is slower than Nvidia? To understand why? What?

 

I only see a topic which says are nvidia really more powerful than ATI? Yes. They are. In controlled environments, with comparable settings, they are. End of discussion on that.

 

This thread is:

Either getting locked or renamed by the topic if you wish to pursue some goal here.

 

So, what it is gonna be?

 

Hi,

 

The point is to show that for some strange reason I am getting great FPS with excellent settings using an older ATI card. And just maybe other people might want to know why, and how, I did it. Or....what I am seeing is not really great, and that explains it. And that is why I asked owners of the higher end nVidia cards to provide a video so I could compare.

 

Maybe you saw the videos? If so, give me your opinion. Are the graphics much worse? Does it look smooth? I get almost no jaggies, and watching the videos on YouTube's site in 720p pretty much shows that. I think it is a very valid discussion. I think anyone with an ATI card would want to know how I am able to get such good fps. And it all started when I started reading the results from the GPUMark tests.

If I see jaggie free graphics that are smooth, and tear free, do I care what AA level I run? Should you? Because let's face it, if you can achieve that isn't that ALL that matters?

 

Lemme say something on that: some people are completely satisfied with running 8xS or 8xSQ and maybe only transparency supersampling, some need SGSS 2x, and there are also some who want 4x SGSS.

Keep in mind that what YOU see is not what others see.

You are talking about the settings as if they are absolute: what is enough for you is enough for everyone. Not right.

If this is a troll, I applaud it's dramatic and over the top presentation.

 

:LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

 

Lemme say something on that: some people are completely satisfied with running 8xS or 8xSQ and maybe only transparency supersampling, some need SGSS 2x, and there are also some who want 4x SGSS.

Keep in mind that what YOU see is not what others see.

You are talking about the settings as if they are absolute: what is enough for you is enough for everyone. Not right.

 

Just to add on to that, he was using 4X MSAA with a pass of supersampling. - ( :bad: )

 

If I did this on my card, I would probably be getting around 50FPS in the cloud test LOL!

And can we stop talking about AA levels?

 

Definitely NOT. Because that is what all it is about. Tone down IQ on all GPU cards, and slowest cards are going to be enough for FSX. FSX does *not* depend on the graphical power of the card. In that case even ATI cards are OK, if you turn off AA (or tone it down).

 

But, like everyone else here, we prefer quality pictures, non-shimmering in NGX or panels, no shimmering on autogen, that is what SGSS is for and only Nvidia can crack that.