October 3, 201213 yr If you plan on overclocking and over-volting but don't want to de-lid, go with Sandy. Just what I wanted to write. Sandy for overclocking without delidding, Ivy for a must-delid and a bit more performance per clock (no extreme boosts here!).
October 3, 201213 yr Author Just what I wanted to write. Sandy for overclocking without delidding, Ivy for a must-delid and a bit more performance per clock (no extreme boosts here!). Thanks! Where could I still obtain an SB? ORBX- the way to go Sincerely, John McGee
October 3, 201213 yr Micro Center has the 2700k for $229 in store right now, can't beat that! http://http://www.microcenter.com/product/376491/Core_i7_2700K_33GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor
October 3, 201213 yr Author Agree to 100% Go for Sandy if you have mems slower than 2133 cl9 Well, that is exactly what the RAM will be! Hasse If you don't de-lid Ivy you're going to run into a brick wall when overclocking at right around 4.4-4.6GHz where the chip will start throttling to protect itself because of the insane temperatures. if you de-lid, clocks up to and over 5.0GHz are possible depending upon your cooling, your willingness to apply additional voltage, and how good your particular CPU is. If you plan on overclocking and over-volting but don't want to de-lid, go with Sandy. If you're willing to examine the matter, take a look at the de-lidding tutorial linked in my signature, it's not nearly so bad as you might imagine. With the delid procedure, do I void the overclock protection plan (not the warranty, I know that will be void, just the OC protection plan offered by Intel?) Also, would it be possible to have a manufacturer do this? If not, then after I learn a bit more, I might give it a go. Something just scares me about taking a razor or an xacto to my brand new $250 CPU, you know. ORBX- the way to go Sincerely, John McGee
October 4, 201213 yr With the delid procedure, do I void the overclock protection plan (not the warranty, I know that will be void, just the OC protection plan offered by Intel?) Also, would it be possible to have a manufacturer do this? If not, then after I learn a bit more, I might give it a go. Something just scares me about taking a razor or an xacto to my brand new $250 CPU, you know. I'm fairly certain you lose any and all warranties when you physically modify the product.
October 4, 201213 yr Author I'm fairly certain you lose any and all warranties when you physically modify the product. Dang, that sucks. It seems the most anyone gets out of a non-delidded 3770K water cooled is 4.5. I would get a 2700K, maybe then. ORBX- the way to go Sincerely, John McGee
October 4, 201213 yr Just fitted my 2700K and hit 5Ghz 1.42V 73C (Prime95) on air straight away. Regards Howard H D Isaacs
October 4, 201213 yr Dang, that sucks. It seems the most anyone gets out of a non-delidded 3770K water cooled is 4.5. I would get a 2700K, maybe then. I run My at 4.8ghz with H100 non delidded only lappen the H100 but to get decent temps at 4.9 i most delidd the CPU. I was swapping betwen the 3770 and 2700k at that time with same cooling the 2700k was running At 5.2ghz and was little faster but when à change to 2800mhz mems cl10 the 3770k had the same Performance at 4.8 as the 2700k at 5.2 with mems 2133 cl8. To outperform à 3770k at 4.9ghz you need +5.3ghz on the 2700k Today à run phase change on the 3770k at +5.4ghz 24/7 to have the same performance with 2700k à need to run it at 5.9 -6.0ghz thats wy i Go with Ivy have no coldbug Hasse http://
October 4, 201213 yr I run My at 4.8ghz with H100 non delidded only lappen the H100 but to get decent temps at 4.9 i most delidd the CPU. I was swapping betwen the 3770 and 2700k at that time with same cooling the 2700k was running At 5.2ghz and was little faster but when à change to 2800mhz mems cl10 the 3770k had the same Performance at 4.8 as the 2700k at 5.2 with mems 2133 cl8. To outperform à 3770k at 4.9ghz you need +5.3ghz on the 2700k Thanks Hasse for taking the time to make these observations & report them. :drinks: Nothing like the "voice of experience" for example: "I run My at 4.8ghz with H100 non delidded only lappen the H100" - to get the "straight scoop". :good: WRT (or in light of) the FSX Mark 11 Global Tests and experienced user reports (e.g. the Hasse): can someone explain to me why the recommendation to go with Sandy Bridge vs. the i7-3770k? (save the few $ one might save). -Rob Edit: Couple things to check out for Ivy Bridge for OC'ers: Ivy Bridge/Z77 Overclocking Guide @ xtremesystems.org Vids like this one from NeweggTV:
October 4, 201213 yr Author Another question: Have the later production 3770's been seeing better cooling results? I've heard this from a few places. I run My at 4.8ghz with H100 non delidded only lappen the H100 but to get decent temps at 4.9 i most delidd the CPU. I was swapping betwen the 3770 and 2700k at that time with same cooling the 2700k was running At 5.2ghz and was little faster but when à change to 2800mhz mems cl10 the 3770k had the same Performance at 4.8 as the 2700k at 5.2 with mems 2133 cl8. To outperform à 3770k at 4.9ghz you need +5.3ghz on the 2700k Today à run phase change on the 3770k at +5.4ghz 24/7 to have the same performance with 2700k à need to run it at 5.9 -6.0ghz thats wy i Go with Ivy have no coldbug Hasse Great, 4.9 on a non-delidded! Until I build a stable, loving relationship with my CPU, that would be darn good! ORBX- the way to go Sincerely, John McGee
October 4, 201213 yr Great, 4.9 on a non-delidded! 4.8GHz (Hasse said he needed to de-lid for 4.9 for decent temps). Also note that Hasse is using the H100 and not the H60 you seem to be leaning toward in the "Good Watercooler?" thread. This might help for the watercooler interest: http://www.newegg.co...EWS&PageSize=20 to get decent temps at 4.9 i most delidd the CPU. So Hasse... decent meaning what? I'm guessing you mean say... around 80°C for the IBT (or the temps referenced to FSX)? TIA.
October 4, 201213 yr Author 4.8GHz (Hasse said he needed to de-lid for 4.9 for decent temps). Also note that Hasse is using the H100 and not the H60 you seem to be leaning toward in the "Good Watercooler?" thread. This might help for the watercooler interest: http://www.newegg.co...EWS&PageSize=20 So Hasse... decent meaning what? I'm guessing you mean say... around 80°C for the IBT (or the temps referenced to FSX)? TIA. Appreciate the link. You have been really helpful, thank you! For an extra $30 which I could make in one day, I may as well get the H100. Correct me if I'm worng, but the H100 will work with any desktop, right? ORBX- the way to go Sincerely, John McGee
October 4, 201213 yr 4.8GHz (Hasse said he needed to de-lid for 4.9 for decent temps). Also note that Hasse is using the H100 and not the H60 you seem to be leaning toward in the "Good Watercooler?" thread. This might help for the watercooler interest: http://www.newegg.co...EWS&PageSize=20 So Hasse... decent meaning what? I'm guessing you mean say... around 80°C for the IBT (or the temps referenced to FSX)? TIA. IIRC hasse wasn't running stress tests on his Ivy before de-lidding it because temps were too high for that I really wouldn't expect anything more than 4.6, 4.7 on the outside without de-lidding, at least not if you are to ensure stability by stress-testing.
October 4, 201213 yr Correct me if I'm worng, but the H100 will work with any desktop, right? Welcome... You want to check for socket compatibility... looking here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017 under "Block Compatibility" you can see examples like "1155"... so if you purchase a motherboard with a "cpu socket type" of LGA 1155, you're good to go.
October 4, 201213 yr Author Well, the 3770 has a 1155 from what I see, so I think I'm good. ORBX- the way to go Sincerely, John McGee
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