LOL I didn't know it was like their Italian for us

Is it? I just heard 5 years in the video and assumed the scheme was on-going. Indeed the video from LH did look good. I'm not familiar with the LH course, but AFAIK, they do their training in America, no? So I don't think staying close to home will be an option there... :wink:

 

They are doing America for 6 months, yes. Though they are paying for everything, including living costs etc. Something that CTC or FTEJerez are not as far as I understand.

 

LOL I didn't know it was like their Italian for us

 

Yep, probably the same bad thing B)

They are doing America for 6 months, yes. Though they are paying for everything, including living costs etc. Something that CTC or FTEJerez are not as far as I understand.

Accommodation and food are included with the FTE Jerez package, not sure about CTC, haven't looked into them too much to be honest.

 

Regards,

Ró.

OK thanks. I see those two are very known around.

Flying is Fun! I have been in real world cockpits with a PPL for more than 40 years, first with my dad in a C210, later flying in Europe, the US and even doing some bush flying in Canada. Because of family and kids I paused and went back into flying a year ago. Now I am learning CPL theory for my flight instructors license, heading for more because the FI license needs night flying, parts of IFR and of course CPL knowledge.

 

One of my instructors just started after 12(!) hard working and learning years and paying lots more than these 60somethousand Euros in such a job with OLT. 400 other guys applied for this same job. He got it because being your age he was willing to pay for his rating and because he showed a 12 year passionate working attitude, even making a commercial helicopter license, but getting no job there of course. Okay, he didn't have to pay finally for the rating, the company did that, but it was the door opening factor together with his long time focus.

 

Other pilots who applied came right out of the cockpits from Cirrus airlines (went bankrupt a year ago), like two of the other instructors working at my flight school for 23 Euros a flight hour. They are not getting any payment for the briefing time before and after the flights. They were current, experienced and flight instructors, but they were not getting the job at all. So what is there developing for the best? I talked a lot to them, about their interviews with Lufthansa, Air Berlin and other carriers.

 

The market is full with young and jobless pilots. And what is the fun of switching on an autopilot most of the time? Flying can be much more, I would go one step after the other and see where it get's me. But for living, no way. Two of my best school day friends became pilots, one with Air Berlin and the other with Luxair. I wouldn't want to have what they have to do. No fun stories at all, but hard work and an even harder load on the families.

 

Flying is fun, if you have control about time, place and plane and not some management people deciding where to show up. That is what I found out.

OK thanks. I see those two are very known around.

Well I know of FTE because it comes from the school I did my training with and because it's at an airport I built hours at, and CTC seems to be well known due to it's relationship with easyJet. Some people are of the opinion that the schools name will help you get a job, others say it doesn't make a difference. Personally I'm of the believe that it really depends on the person you get interviewing you on the day, If I were doing my training again I'd do it with a well known FTO, but that's just me, and many don't do it and still manage to get jobs

 

Regards,

Ró.

he was willing to pay

 

Thanks for the insight, appreciate it. I would only like to point out that there is a difference between willing to pay and being able to pay.

 

For me, I think, the biggest fun on flying would be a tube. But maybe that is only an interest talking - as I never did it. In the end, it could possibly be as you sketched it. A corporate telling me when and where, and then sitting hours in the cockpit, doing nothing but watching out. I know what you mean. Though, there is that big thought it would bring me a lot of pleasure sitting at the cockpit of a big airliner...

 

Well I know of FTE because it comes from the school I did my training with and because it's at an airport I built hours at, and CTC seems to be well known due to it's relationship with easyJet. Some people are of the opinion that the schools name will help you get a job, others say it doesn't make a difference. Personally I'm of the believe that it really depends on the person you get interviewing you on the day, If I were doing my training again I'd do it with a well known FTO, but that's just me, and many don't do it and still manage to get jobs

 

Yeah, been reading these reports what will get you a job and what will get you me through DLR and what I might use to prepare and how. Some say chances you pass depend solely on your characteristics, and not your knowledge, other say there are training tools (for DLR specifically: http://www.skytest.d...ening-BUGU2.htm ) or even courses help a lot. Training head math is also a big +...

 

But honestly, is a 12year home simulator experience of any benefit?

But honestly, is a 12year home simulator experience of any benefit?

May help with the hand-eye co-ordination part, perhaps with some of the mental calculations, but not all that much really TBH, sorry.

 

Regards,

Ró.

Nah, don't worry, I should have formulated my question differently: is it going to be of a bad influence? I am actually worried I was learning it the wrong way and that I have to unlearn it to learn it correctly. The calculations and the navigation remain the same though, don't they?

I think I know what you mean. Perhaps you should think about getting a private pilots license and later going for a fast glasscockpit plane exploring Europe.

 

Money in my opinion will not be the main problem with what is around concerning European Euro crashing and a new financial system stepping in that is in standby for some time. Is more than a new currency, it will be a different business mentality.

 

Then there will be for shure a technology paradigm change. I was working together with some technical people working on free energy devices and right now some folks in the netherlands are offering free patents to the whole planet as a game changer. New energy supply, rendering fossil fuels useless, high speed travel and so on, really a paradigm change to come. We have to see how it will play out, google Keshe Foundation and you get an idea, what the war drumming machine concerning energy and Iran is about.

 

Flying for Fun and private will continue for some time for shure, otherwise I wouldn't go for professional courses and use the money for flying with my kids instead. Holiday in a plane, flying around, camping, meeting people, being close to the landscape, finding your way through airspace, it's restrictons, weather and so on is absolutly great, this is every minute worth of all the efforts.

 

Get enough experience with that and then go for planes like Columbia 400, Cirrus SR22 Turbo or even better the upcoming Pipistrel Panthera and you have a cockpit even better than in an Airliner. From there on a Jet transition to fast planes like the Cirrus Jet would be easy. If you would like to earn some money, you would have to get an instructor rating and become an access pilot.

 

But this of course is only focused on the fun flying aspect. In my class last year there was a 16 year old student heading for Lufthansa, for him it was the surrounding, the reputation, being on the airways in real life during day or night times, like he did so often with his friend in FSX. His problem was his English speaking capabilities, but he was absolutly passionate to go for that, it was more than being in the cockpit, for him it was the whole experience he was aiming for.

Nah, don't worry, I should have formulated my question differently: is it going to be of a bad influence? I am actually worried I was learning it the wrong way and that I have to unlearn it to learn it correctly. The calculations and the navigation remain the same though, don't they?

Not so much that you'll have to unlearn everything as you'll have to learn it all again from scratch, flying in FSX is totally different to flying IRL, you'll have two totally seperate techniques, one for FS and one for RL. If I flew like I fly in FSX at work, I'd have been fired 23 years ago, and if I flew in FSX like I fly at work, I'd get no fun what so ever out of it. The theory bit will hold to you, provided you learnt it correctly to begin with, but usually with theory anyway, I find that's relatively simple to fix in your mind if it's wrong, muscle memory and reflexes however can take years of control to alter.

 

Regards,

Ró.

I'm reading this thread with great interest.

 

muscle memory and reflexes however can take years of control to alter.

 

Might I add " and years of training/experience to fine tune".

 

Isn't this one of the reasons experience is a huge factor in deciding who gets the job? Presumably, this is why the pilot with low hours is not considered for many airline positions regardless of how competent he/she is in all of the other requirements; teamwork, attitude etc.

But this of course is only focused on the fun flying aspect. In my class last year there was a 16 year old student heading for Lufthansa, for him it was the surrounding, the reputation, being on the airways in real life during day or night times, like he did so often with his friend in FSX. His problem was his English speaking capabilities, but he was absolutly passionate to go for that, it was more than being in the cockpit, for him it was the whole experience he was aiming for.

 

You definitely make sense. You also must consider my financial situation - without such training like Lufthansa or similar, I virtually have no chance of doing *any* real world flying, simply due to low paid job I have right now - and there are no many chances I will get a salary that pays 3x more, or even double. Let's just say for the sake of it, when I deduct my fixed costs in month, I am left with between €400-600, max. And that usually goes for the stuff like parts of the house, terrace, car insurance/repairs, etc. Now I have to pay €1000 for the citizenship... see where this is going? If I ever manage to pay off my own something for real world flying, that will be a PPL, other stuff like IFR and to be able to fly DA42 or similar, would probably cost way too much that I could ever afford. This is why I inquired about the possibility of financing, this is why I'm looking for alternatives, if there are any. As I mentioned earlier, probably many people, who are on top I guess also single, mostly with a bag in their life, will take a money from the bank and use it for the course... not risking much. I would be risking a lot.

 

for him it was the whole experience he was aiming for.

 

And again to quote only this: for me it is the whole experience. I never fly not-online and love the whole thing. So I can only guess I would love it in the cockpit. Furthermore, I flew couple of times in the DA20, and I loved it. So I guess I would also love the airliners. This is how I see myself, what I'm aspiring to...

 

 

Oh and btw. I just finished the online DLR simulation test on LH site, passed with flying colors (yea, did 1 or 2 calculations wrong, but still was deep in the green area!) and it led me to the apply website: and I had to confirm I was between 16 and 27 before filling in the application. *Sigh*.

Might I add " and years of training/experience to fine tune".

Isn't this one of the reasons experience is a huge factor in deciding who gets the job? Presumably, this is why the pilot with low hours is not considered for many airline positions regardless of how competent he/she is in all of the other requirements; teamwork, attitude etc.

Two schools of thought on this. There's the school of thought that all experience is good experience, and then that only the correct experience is good experience. An example would be that some airlines prefer to take in the majority of their FOs straight from getting their ATPL fresh from the press so they can mould them to fly exactly as they want them, others prefer those who've experience with say turbo props and now want to move onto the bigger jet liners having had those 3-4 years building up their skills. I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the issue, part of me says that the 3-4 years on small commuter turbo-props is good for you, the other half of me has to acknowledge that it that was the attitude at my company when I was taken on, I'd likely still be working as a humble engineer as we speak not having gotten the chance to prove I would make a good pilot.

One of these questions that goes on and on in the industry.

 

Regards,

Ró.

That is really an interesting topic as deep in it's questions and answers like fine tuning FSX :lol: !

 

Word Not Allowed, concerning your actual financial situation, which is pretty much like mine where it is a family project to make it happen, I would recommend to put the project for some months aside and wait out what will play out in the financial world. No risk no sleepless nights. So you passed the test, you are in flying for more than a decade, became a well known guy in the community. I think I would try to get up in the air on a low cost level meanwhile. To get in touch with flying you even don't need a PPL. Ultralight pilot's license or the new light sports aircraft license are way below PPL costs. Make it a two year project and you would have to spend around 250 Euro a month. Then you are right in it, enough time for family, house, work and so on left and it changes you from the first day concerning your every day feeling. It really doesn't matter if you are sitting in a high cost classroom or in a low cost classroom or to what kind of airplane you walk towards to on the apron. It is the situation itself that is changing your life.

 

If you then decide to upgrade and if there is money you can do that, working yourself up to a level which is perfect for you. The advantage would be to learn everything with what is possible in your life and without risk in your life. No need to spend big money only to experience piloting an aircraft really. Just go for it, make it happen now, get the family into it. That's what I would do.