Section 34 of the irish Employment Equality Act 1998 reads:

 

 

 

http://www.irishstat...print.html#sec2

Our cadets are bonded for 5 years, by law we must give equal consideration to all those who apply unless they would exceed retirement age within those 5 years. In theory we could increase the period of the bond to say 35 years to ensure applicants of significant youth, but that'd put many off, best to just officially follow the policy...

 

Regards,

Ró.

Back when I did it ('88), it was the same as you describe, didn't cause any hassle for me, there are more things we need to remember and keep to the front of our minds other than just weights, distances and winds. There's taxi-routings, NOTAMs, ATIS reports, Radio transmissions ect, many of them obscure and making little sense, but I get what you're saying given that most people new to the industry never would've practiced remembering things like that...

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

Yeah, that's why I write things down What bugged me was that 98% of people didn't pass the test, and there was a company connected to the DLR, which I won't name here (also because I can't remember its name LOL) which offered a training to pass the exam. Just saying. And beyond that, I never knew my score, and that's unfair imho.Was it a little less than required? Was I soo low on score? Bravo to those who are able to pass it :clapping:

 

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That's your policy which is fine but it's not required bt law,EU or otherwise. Lufthansa appear to operate a different policy quite legally.

Also, I did look into those pay later alternatives, the problems are very high interest costs and the only way to take such high credit is to take a really huge risk - I know I want a family, wife, house, kids... if I risk and blow it up, well then, probably none of those are going to be possible. Risking life is not my style.

 

That's the sole reason I initially abandoned pursuing an aviation career.

I got a big lump sum some time back when I was made redundant from a very good job. I did some serious research on the subject of flying for a living. The cost of getting my ATPL would have been well covered but other costs and considerations such as have been described at length here forced me to change my mind. Besides, trying to pay a mortgage and run a household whilst earning no money at all during training was just a stretch too far. Instead I put a lump of money off my mortgage and another lump at starting my own business in an area that I have an equal passion for. I am now acquainted with a couple of FR ( f/o) pilots that have all but convinced me I have made the right decision. TBO, I was 41 at the time and looking back the whole notion was a bit futile at my age.

 

FSX is my flying career now ...................and a "Frozen SPL" !!!!!! :p0502:

What bugged me was that 98% of people didn't pass the test,

Well if everyone passed it wouldn't be much good at picking out the best of the would it LOL, I get where you're coming from though, and with regard to the company offering training, we can see through that and have additional tests to give to people who manage to pass the initial skills test.

 

With regard to giving you your result, we had well over 2,000 people do our test last time round, we required 20 cadets, if we were to get back individually to each one and explain where they went wrong and what to do to approve we'd have an almighty task ahead of us. A simple PFO is all we had time to send out to those who didn't make the cut, and I'd imagine it's the same in any large company such as Lufthansa that operates a similar scheme.

 

Regards,

Ró.

So, to summarize this whole thread: either try and pass the DLR and get into Lufthansa Flight Training or don't do it at all. Am I about right with this?

So, to summarize this whole thread: either try and pass the DLR and get into Lufthansa Flight Training or don't do it at all. Am I about right with this?

There are the other options open on the cadet program front, do Austrian Airlines run a cadet program? I'm not overly familiar with them. Though that is a pretty good summary of things...

 

Regards,

Ró.

AUA runs the program too AFAIK, but the same DLR test must be passed. Yet no informations about this on the internet any more - they might have cancelled it. Lufthansa and AUA are very much connected. Well, I better then inform myself about this next week, start the procedure for my austrian citizenship, which is probably going to take couple of months, in the meantime I can train for the DLR and see if I get myself in. If not, I can say at least that I tried...

You need to be very very careful here, because the stakes are very high.

 

You should keep in mind the rule of thumb that your first year's salary should be higher than your total tuition costs. That is, you need some assurances that you will get a job which pays at least 65k per year (if that's not your total cost, adjust accordingly.)

 

Then you need to make sure there are actual job openings. That is, everyone who makes this investment should be getting a job as a pilot. If you have people doing other things, where the training is not needed, then their time and money have been squandered.

 

Keep in mind that the schools offering this type of training will lie to you. They will paint a picture which is much more optimistic than what may really be the case. You need to do your own research. This means checking with public agencies which actually track the job market, speaking with people in the field. Also, if you are not working in the airline industry and have no idea what the industry is like, you have no business making this type of investment.

 

Also, you need to avoid the "special snowflake" syndrome. That is, if you see a lot of people making this investment, but not finding the work to pay for it, do not assume that you are a "special snowflake" and th at things will be different for you.

 

Finally, keep in mind that in many industries, employers pay for training -- not the employees.

 

I would be very cautious about investing in training unless I knew that there was a job waiting for me when I was done.

I would be very cautious about investing in training unless I knew that there was a job waiting for me when I was done.

 

Thanks, I totally appreciate what you said here. But which training is going to guarantee that? On the other hand... Lufthansa will employ you if you finish the course with them. It's what a friend of mine who finished it told me. He waited couple of months between finishing and flying, but he said he was already being paid by them. I don't believe he was telling me stories, why would he... He is just a guy who did the DLR-Test, passed it, said it wasn't that bad, and that he had to learn really really lot, but in the end, he had some 3-4 months break until he was put onto some half-broken machine, and now, year later, he is I believe on the CRJ. He told me that getting a job outside Lufthansa is terribly hard, that he was sending out applications, but was rejected most of times, though after Lufthansa's training, they got him a place quite fast.

So went trolling the net (I have waaay too much time sometimes)... Here are some videos on different cadet programs.

 

British Airways:

 

Aer Lingus (The best of course ^_^ )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tT7RaUdBUY

 

Flybe:

 

Lufthansa:

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

City Jet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7agcB5Y0Y

 

Regards,

Ró.

So, to summarize this whole thread: either try and pass the DLR and get into Lufthansa Flight Training or don't do it at all. Am I about right with this?

 

Yeah, more or less. As Ronan said, there are many big companies doing the cadet program (just make sure age is not a problem). Look for them. You are lucky enough to be speaking German, so Germany, Austria and Switzerland are good countries to work in. I couldn't apply there, or France, or Spain... wherever the local language was required.

Thanks Ronan.

 

BA is closed, as far as I understand.

 

That LH video is cool.

 

But it would be very costly for me and even more financially challenging to do the training far from here.

 

Yeah, more or less. As Ronan said, there are many big companies doing the cadet program (just make sure age is not a problem). Look for them. You are lucky enough to be speaking German, so Germany, Austria and Switzerland are good countries to work in. I couldn't apply there, or France, or Spain... wherever the local language was required.

 

Germany or Austria, yes. Unfortunately, Swiss is not an option, their German is like foreign language to us german-speaking folk. :lol:

Thanks Ronan.

 

BA is closed, as far as I understand.

 

That LH video is cool.

 

But it would be very costly for me and even more financially challenging to do the training far from here.

Is it? I just heard 5 years in the video and assumed the scheme was on-going. Indeed the video from LH did look good. I'm not familiar with the LH course, but AFAIK, they do their training in America, no? So I don't think staying close to home will be an option there... :wink:

 

Regards,

Ró.