PMDG will also install a CAT on the 777.

I even heard that auto brakes were too hard to model, so they are reverting to users having to apply the parking brake on touch down.

 

Not correct. What you'll need to do in order to slow/stop the plane is to put your feet outside and aircraft and drag them, Flintstones style.

Flintstones style

 

May I suggest an anchor? (Just picture the PF's feet after one landing. Ugh.)... The aviation industry does share some stuff with the naval industry.

 

PMDG will also install a CAT on the 777.

 

What is a word that means dog but ends in -AT?

I expect the RAT to be in properly modeled and fully functional, correct ?

 

 

If it can be done PMDG will do it.

• Does the real 777 have a RAT?
  

Yes

• Does FSX allow for simulation of the need for RAT deployment (double engine flameout?)
  

Yes

• Can PMDG simulate a RAT deployment realistically (RAT providing power and hydraulic pressure and possibly increasing drag?)
  

Yes

• Does a RAT need multiplayer or other live feeds of "out of the sim" data which the system is reliant on?
  

No

 

Conclusion: The PMDG 777 will have a Ram Air Turbine and it will work much like the real one and have the same kind of system relationships to other systems that the real one has.

 

Trent Hopkinson

 

Let's look at the same question for Weather Radar.

• Does the real 777 have a Weather Radar?
  

Yes

• Does FSX allow for simulation of the need for Weather Radar
  

No, "rain" in FSX is either "on" or "off" in a localized area around the aircraft, and not realistically simulated in FSX.

• Can PMDG simulate a Weather Radar realistically?
  

FSX doesn't simulate Rain realisically. If PMDG were to develop a Weather radar which worked realistically it would show "Everywhere is raining" or "Nowhere is raining" concurrent with the visual in FSX of rain showers starting and stopping at your current location. - so No.

• Does a Weather Radar need multiplayer or other live feeds of "out of the sim" data which the system is reliant on?
  

Another option for Weather Radar would be to use real data. This data would NOT match what you see out the window in FSX, and would rely on potentially expensive external weather feeds, or "Cloud position generation", which is not how Weather Radars work and will not achieve the purpose of what a Weather radar is for in the real world.

 

PMDG are making Addon Aircraft for the FSX platform, and not an entirely new simulator from scratch, which is what would be required for Weather Radars to work as they are meant to, simply because FSX is not capable of simulating this aspect of aviation correctly. (Other Addons use either "Cloud finder with extrapolation" as Weather radar, whereby the cloud type and position is defined, then using a bit of randomization the "cloud finder" decides how "heavy" the cloud is and gives it a colour, usually small clouds vs big clouds vs CB clouds, with the CB clouds coloured yellow or red, and other clouds green, and some clouds "black/no return". It is as much use in finding rain as a stone is.)

• Does the real 777 have a RAT?
  

Yes

• Does FSX allow for simulation of the need for RAT deployment (double engine flameout?)
  

Yes

• Can PMDG simulate a RAT deployment realistically (RAT providing power and hydraulic pressure and possibly increasing drag?)
  

Yes

• Does a RAT need multiplayer or other live feeds of "out of the sim" data which the system is reliant on?
  

No

 

Conclusion: The PMDG 777 will have a Ram Air Turbine and it will work much like the real one and have the same kind of system relationships to other systems that the real one has.

 

Trent Hopkinson

 

Let's look at the same question for Weather Radar.

• Does the real 777 have a Weather Radar?
  

Yes

• Does FSX allow for simulation of the need for Weather Radar
  

No, "rain" in FSX is either "on" or "off" in a localized area around the aircraft, and not realistically simulated in FSX.

• Can PMDG simulate a Weather Radar realistically?
  

FSX doesn't simulate Rain realisically. If PMDG were to develop a Weather radar which worked realistically it would show "Everywhere is raining" or "Nowhere is raining" concurrent with the visual in FSX of rain showers starting and stopping at your current location. - so No.

• Does a Weather Radar need multiplayer or other live feeds of "out of the sim" data which the system is reliant on?
  

Another option for Weather Radar would be to use real data. This data would NOT match what you see out the window in FSX, and would rely on potentially expensive external weather feeds, or "Cloud position generation", which is not how Weather Radars work and will not achieve the purpose of what a Weather radar is for in the real world.

 

PMDG are making Addon Aircraft for the FSX platform, and not an entirely new simulator from scratch, which is what would be required for Weather Radars to work as they are meant to, simply because FSX is not capable of simulating this aspect of aviation correctly. (Other Addons use either "Cloud finder with extrapolation" as Weather radar, whereby the cloud type and position is defined, then using a bit of randomization the "cloud finder" decides how "heavy" the cloud is and gives it a colour, usually small clouds vs big clouds vs CB clouds, with the CB clouds coloured yellow or red, and other clouds green, and some clouds "black/no return". It is as much use in finding rain as a stone is.)

 

While I commend your work, and research for the above statement.

Conclusion: The PMDG 777 will have a Ram Air Turbine and it will work much like the real one and have the same kind of system relationships to other systems that the real one has.

Please don't go throw assumptions out there without PMDG affirming anything. Your research was well put, maybe some slight errors, but until PMDG confirms the availability of a RAT, then there is no way for us to know.

 

It's the same premise for the, let's say, pilot chairs for the NGX.

• Does the real 737 have cockpit chairs?
  

Yes

• Does FSX allow for simulation of the need for cockpit chairs?
  

Yes

• Can PMDG simulate a cockpit chair animation?
  

Yes

• Do cockpit chairs need multiplayer or other live feeds of "out of the sim" data which the system is reliant on?
  

No

 

With that being said, the chair animation still wasn't implemented in the NGX, because of another limiting factor, I think which was the barrier for animations.

If it flys into SE Asia, it will most deffinately have rats. :lol:

 

What is that suppose to mean....Sheepfu?

 

 

Kin M.

(PHNL)

Are cockpit chairs a system related to flying the aircraft or just eye candy with no purpose in a simulator?

 

They could literally release an aircraft without any visual seats and you could still use the VC just fine. It's not like you have to stand up if the virtual polygon seats arn't there. What other "systems" do the seats interact with? Are "seats" actually "systems" at all?

 

Trent Hopkinson

Are cockpit chairs a system related to flying the aircraft or just eye candy with no purpose in a simulator?

 

You can always move the chairs back when beginning or ending the flight, or getting up to go to the crew rest area or lav. Other than that, there is no reason to have moving cockpit chairs. Give that animation to another important part of the cockpit. Just eye candy.

Are cockpit chairs a system related to flying the aircraft or just eye candy with no purpose in a simulator?

 

They could literally release an aircraft without any visual seats and you could still use the VC just fine. It's not like you have to stand up if the virtual polygon seats arn't there. What other "systems" do the seats interact with? Are "seats" actually "systems" at all?

 

Trent Hopkinson

 

Trent, the chair can sometimes block gauges in the VC, moving the chair will remove the obstruction, that's one use.

All I did was re-word the previous post so to, provide a different point of view as to why speculations shouldn't be made.

Trent, the chair can sometimes block gauges in the VC, moving the chair will remove the obstruction, that's one use.

 

Are you seriously suggesting that we need swivel chair because someone might want to try and fly the plane from second observer seat?

Are you seriously suggesting that we need swivel chair because someone might want to try and fly the plane from second observer seat?

Fabo, now you are reading too far into everything, I urge you to stop.

Go back, and read my first reply, I am merely drawing an example, as to why one cannot speculate that something will be implemented because of real world properties.

This is why people cannot rely solely on reading something once, but rather a number of times.

So before jumping to conclusions next time, go on and try to comprehend what the initial statement means.

I used to test RAT deployments on VC10's during air tests. The problem is the critters tend to run out of the avionics bay beforde you could poke them with your voltmeter probes.

Lol, good one Paul...!

I just love how this conversantion has developed! From RAT to rats to mice to moving chairs for seeing instruments and going to the bathroom. Sometimes the topics just... slip. And I love it!