LOL who knows. I hope neither one of us is around to find out. I'm content to live in these relatively peaceful times and take pictures of big ships in San Diego.

LOL who knows. I hope neither one of us is around to find out. I'm content to live in these relatively peaceful times and take pictures of big ships in San Diego.

 

I agree.....I want peace for a very long time

 

This was the article I read yesterday on the Machines and Tech I thought was interesting:

 

http://www.stuff.co....-longer-a-joke/

 

A US Air Force report predicted two years ago that "by 2030 machine capabilities will have increased to the point that humans will have become the weakest component in a wide array of systems".

I have never and won't ever buy into the premise humans are replaceable. We're just not. Nothing will ever be able to replace a humans perspective, problem solving, decision making, etc in a conflict. Our bodies are fragile our minds are ireplaceable.

Wired has a brief article with video. The aircraft is unpainted but with some telemetry aiding symbols painted on the surfaces. Interesting to note that it doesn't use catapult - relies on afterburner and the ski jump. There is a wheel-arresting tab that pops up from the deck to hold the aircraft in place while power is applied. I didn't think it would be able to get enough speed, but apparently it works fine. I wonder how much headwind is required at full combat load.

 

http://www.wired.com...rier-first-jet/

 

I'm sure there are more videos/pictures out there.

 

Edit: bad spelling in the title, I know. I have fat fingers, you see...

 

Well done on the title. I instantly knew what the post was about! Wish others would be so courteous. Thanks!

Well done on the title. I instantly knew what the post was about! Wish others would be so courteous. Thanks!

 

+1

 

But Hangar chat posts are pretty good in this respect.

 

Bruno

I've been following this story in discussions on other forums. I find it really interesting that some people are so quick (eager?) to pour scorn on anything Chinese. It probably says more about the apparent paranoia many people have about China than anything else.

 

First up, the Chinese are using this as a training ship. It's primary purpose is to allow them to learn carrier ops. The Chinese are not trying to compete with a Nimitz Class, that would just be stupid for any country with hitherto no carrier experience.

 

As for the "Fred Flintstone" wheel stops, I bet they're a hell of a lot cheaper, simpler and more reliable than a steam catapult. Ideal for a navy that is taking its first baby steps with carriers.

I don't think anyone is knocking them. It's natural to compare things. Chinese do some pretty phenomenal stuff. I'm truly interested to see what their first Supercarrier turns out like. I'm willing to wager a facsimile of a Nimitz.

I've been following this story in discussions on other forums. I find it really interesting that some people are so quick (eager?) to pour scorn on anything Chinese. It probably says more about the apparent paranoia many people have about China than anything else.

 

I agree with this statement. It is great it hasn't happened on here, as you say on other forums people are quick to make poor comments. I think the term is called Sinophobia. I don't like that term.

 

My parents just got back from there second trip to China and it has become their favourite country to travel to. I would really enjoy visiting it as well and hope to when I can afford the time and money to do so.

 

At the end of the day we are just talking about differences in culture, and with China it is one of the oldest cultures on the planet, as well as a former long run Dynasty. Fascinating country if you ask me.

Extremely fascinating and an amazing place to visit. I'd love to go back but my next trip is Australia and New Zealand.

Extremely fascinating and an amazing place to visit. I'd love to go back but my next trip is Australia and New Zealand.

 

Let me know when you make it to Wellington and I will buy you a beer :drinks:

Seeing the photos I missed my old simulator, Flanker 2, The SU-27 has a naval version, the helmet worn by the pilot, is also Russian, nice remake.

 

João Alfredo

 

 

Let me know when you make it to Wellington and I will buy you a beer :drinks:

 

That my friend is a deal.

Seeing the photos I missed my old simulator, Flanker 2, The SU-27 has a naval version, the helmet worn by the pilot, is also Russian, nice remake.

 

João Alfredo

 

The J-15 is based on the Su-33 (naval variant of the Flanker). What's interesting is the Russian Navy are ditching the Su-33 in favour of the MiG-29K (which originally lost out to the Su-33 when the Russians selected their new carrier fighter). Apparently the Su-33 hasn't worked out too well for them, the word being that the avionics are very maintenance intensive and unreliable in the carrier environment, and that the Su-33 airframe is just too big for the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier (the new Chinese carrier was originally built as a sister ship of the Kuznetsov).

 

The difference is the J-15 features indiginous Chinese avionics, so perhaps the Chinese will make a better job of turning the Flanker into a naval fighter? The biggest problem with the J-15 is the engine (something common to all Chinese fighters). The Chinese have struggled to make a really good indiginous fighter engine and efforts to reverse engineer the Russian AL-31 used in all the Flanker variants (including the J-15) has proven to be less than entirely successful.

That is the attitude I like. Open mindedness is a great thing. I am interested in the carrier too, very much. Especially since it has no deck system like the US carriers do. I do love the American Carriers too. I love anything with a nuclear reactor in it made in America.

 

Is this carrier nuclear powered?

 

China is interesting. I love all of Asia, especially Japan and Hong Kong.

I think people take this thing way too seriously, discussing it's military significance. Anyone considered the significance of what the Minsk is serving as these days? A luxury hotel in, um, China? Let's face it, as a country, you're just not hip without a flattop. Want more proof?

Imagine a correspondence crew on the deck of Ranger as the US Navy works out the details of their very first purpose built carrier, or on the deck of any modern carrier documenting any military procedure whatsoever! Besides the Liaoning, that is. And that deck crew, what were they looking for, Easter Eggs? I kept expecting them to break into some sort of gangnam flash, like at "Minsk World":

The Liaoning is a paper dragon, meant to impress the masses, not intimidate the opposition.