But it's so much more fun planning the route yourself!

 

I find it more fun to use real world flightplans. ^_^ Which I import in ProATC/X. In real life you don't pick your own SID and STAR and plot your own route afaik. Using a real world route and then getting assigned a SID and STAR at the appropriate time feels more real and is more fun to me. To each his own of course. ^_^

 

BTW Of course you can create your own route too in ProATC/X, if you want to. Or let it generate one. But as I said, I prefer to fly routes as they are flown in real life.

Airway map here.

 

Skyvector.com

 

High level, low level and vfr maps for the world. You can input your route and review it or make some changes or use it to help build a route.

 

 

I find it more fun to use real world flightplans. ^_^ Which I import in ProATC/X. In real life you don't pick your own SID and STAR and plot your own route afaik. Using a real world route and then getting assigned a SID and STAR at the appropriate time feels more real and is more fun to me. To each his own of course. ^_^

 

BTW Of course you can create your own route too in ProATC/X, if you want to. Or let it generate one. But as I said, I prefer to fly routes as they are flown in real life.

 

In the US pilots/dispatch usually file a DP and STAR. Don't know about rest of the world.

In the US pilots/dispatch usually file a DP and STAR. Don't know about rest of the world.

 

Correct. I fly in Europe and there those things are assigned by ATC. You don't know which STAR you are going to get until you are getting close to the destination.

Correct. I fly in Europe and there those things are assigned by ATC. You don't know which STAR you are going to get until you are getting close to the destination.

 

In the UK STARs end at a hold from which an approach can be made to any runway. The choice of STAR is determined by the airway being used and so can be planned in advance

 

Also in the UK if there are notified SIDs at an airport then one must be included in the submitted flight plan otherwise ATC will return it for correction. UK SIDs are defined by their end-points and have variants for each departure runway. The SID is determined in advance by the departure route and the variant by the takeoff runway.

He he, this discussion reminds me of the little girl who was asked by the teacher what she got for Christmas. She replied "My uncle gave me a book about hippotomusses; it told me more about hippos than I really wanted to know..."

 

Henri

Thanks for posting the 4 segment video tutorial Firehawk 44. I didn't know these were available and they were very helpful. Vecter

Correct. I fly in Europe and there those things are assigned by ATC. You don't know which STAR you are going to get until you are getting close to the destination.

 

Since in Europe STARs are named after the first waypoint of the STAR, you can usually make a pretty good guess though: it'll be the one of the ones that has the last waypoint of your flightplan in its name. Which one precisely depends on the runway in use.

Since in Europe STARs are named after the first waypoint of the STAR,

 

Not in the UK!

Not in the UK!

 

Well we all know the UK likes to pretend they are an island in the middle of the Atlantic, rather than 40 kilometres of the coast of France* .

 

*Credit for that one goes to: