Amen!

Sad that McPhat isn't going to make more HD liverys, they really are an work of art!

We did not quit making HD textures, just for certain products we decided not to start out of ourselves/

I know it has been a while since this was discussed, and the matter was pretty much closed, although is it true that the completed liveries will never be released? With all the time McPhat put into the project it seems a shame that it would just go to waste even if it meant paying PMDG some portion of revenue. I really am not the one to say, though. However hopefully they can be released. Somehow.

 

Thanks for all the work you have put into FS!

 

-abasa12

I know it has been a while since this was discussed, and the matter was pretty much closed, although is it true that the completed liveries will never be released? With all the time McPhat put into the project it seems a shame that it would just go to waste even if it meant paying PMDG some portion of revenue. I really am not the one to say, though. However hopefully they can be released. Somehow.

 

Thanks for all the work you have put into FS!

 

-abasa12

The problems is, PMDG is no longer willing to talk to Mcphat.

What shame isn't it? The so called top developer is unable to create their own top HD livery; someone else comes along willing to help but the "top" developer decides he wants all the attention- or credit. Makes me not want to purchase any PMDG product. 

What shame isn't it? The so called top developer is unable to create their own top HD livery; someone else comes along willing to help but the "top" developer decides he wants all the attention- or credit. Makes me not want to purchase any PMDG product.

There are always 2 sides of a story, and we haven't heard both sides completely.

 

If you want to base your consumer decisions on incomplete information, that's up to you.

Personally I don't care how HD the paint job is. I spend more time in the VC, and wouldn't stop myself buying a high quality product just because an HD paint doesn't exist for it.

<p>McPhat actually adds to the already existing problem called OOM.  I get OOM even in DX10 with PcPhat textures.</p>

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<p>so I stopped using them</p>

Hi Frank,

That is not exactly what happened. Mr. Randazzo and I found a opening to start negotiations, but at the moment when it came to start thinking 'license agreement', mr. Randazzo decided he did not have the time for me or for the mutual fans McPhat Studios and PMDG have to arrange something.

 

Gents-

 

As was pointed out by another poster in this thread:  There are two sides to every story.

 

The conversation between PMDG and McPhat was a private one, and shouldn't be paraded here in the public forum for public relations value.  But since PMDG's name, (and mine) are sullied for public relations gain here, Dheiren- please allow me to point out to your intended audience that the information you presented here does not mesh with the facts and seems to over-simplify a complex discussion in an effort to evoke an emotional response from an audience who was not present for the discussion.

 

Your comment above highlights quite boldly the concerns I voiced to you about the importance of developing a strong level of trust between PMDG and your group of artists- and the challenges that would be faced in this regard based upon your previous activities to undermine such trust.

 

As I mentioned to you many times during our conversation, if PMDG is to hang our reputation on a second tier developer, trust is absolutely required.  (Look to developers with whom we partner, such as Aerosoft, Angle of Attack and FS2Crew for examples of how strong levels of trust bring product enjoyment multipliers to the marketplace.)  In the case of your comments here it seems that my concerns continue to be borne out.

 

In the future if you wish to engage with us, you obviously know how to reach my privately.

Quite a while since we spoke , mr. Randazzo ^_^.

 

Two sides to every story, very true, the thing we have in common though is our conversation (via e-mail), which I still highly value.

The conversation between PMDG and McPhat indeed is private, I am fully aware of that. That is why I don't take exact quotes or detailed information to answer people (for example when they ask about why we can't give them the NGX paints). The only thing I can do is give a vague/simplified answer, because I don't want to reveil anything about the conversation we had, that is not something that should be talked about in the forums. Let it be clear that I am trying to inform people the best I can rather than trying to evoke an emotional reaction. I can't stay quiet when people say that it was our decision to pull the plug for the NGX liveries, because it wasn't a decision we would make.

 

 

Throughout our conversation you indeed signaled your concerns. We talked a lot about it and I gave you my word that I would put effort in it to make a cooperation work, at the moment that is the only thing we can do when we look forward. You told me that the NGX liveries were violating your EULA, at that moment (while sitting in a train!) I contacted the responsible person and told him to take the NGX uploads offline. I think this shows quite well how willful I was (and still am) to solve things and take action where needed to comply with your regulations.

I do understand that trust is essential, that is why we did so much talking. We partner with some developers as well (in Aerosoft we find a common partner), I can't speak for those developers, but I do think that they choose to work with us based on trust as well.

 

You and me both know that in my comments here I can't say too much (else I will reveil some of the private conversations we had). I really hoped that things would have gone differently, but it seems that we find each other more often on the public forum (than in the private communication media) to defend our names. Let me be clear that I don't blame you or PMDG for anything, I am just standing up when wrong information is posted on a big forum like the Avsim Forum, likewise you do the same when you feel I put wrong information or oversimplified information here.

 

What still holds is that I (and along with me my colleagues) respect PMDG and the PMDG products and as I also signaled in my last (unanswered) e-mail, I am still willing to talk about things (to gain a little bit of understanding). Because when you want to trust eachother you have to get some understanding in the mindset the persons and companies have. I am not going to make an essay out of this, On more than 1 occassion I (after your decision) showed that I am willing to discuss things and that offer still holds.

What shame isn't it? The so called top developer is unable to create their own top HD livery; someone else comes along willing to help but the "top" developer decides he wants all the attention- or credit. Makes me not want to purchase any PMDG product.

I'd like to quote the post above, to show that this is not a reaction I try to evoke from the crowd.

PMDG is a top developer, they have the 'graphical' power to make textures as well. The image you sketch about PMDG is totally wrong and you miss something when you don't buy their products.

 

Please, please, please even if you are frustrated show some positive attitude and respect.... it's not that hard.

I didn't intend any harm to either company by posting this, and I hope this was not the message being given. I completely understand the value of both developers, and respect their wish to conduct their discussions in private if that is what they feel is appropriate.

 

 

-abasa12

Well, i have seen the HD McPhat liveries on someones NGX some time ago on a birthdayparty, but it showed a 'panel' on the left side of the plane (just around the main exit if i remember correclty) that was brighter than the rest. It's been some time ago and I only took a quick peek, but he showed me both the AA and Delta-livery to me. Maybe he installed them wrong, but I assumed at the time the liveries weren't ready yet, so I never bothered getting them myself.I didn't even know they were taken of the market.

 

Too bad though, because both companies have something they are really good at. A joint effort is probably good for both of them, as well as us! But companies are formed by persons, and sometimes products and goals are compatible, but the people aren't. It happens, we are all human. But i'm sure things could be resolved if both parties start talking again.

Both the spokespersons of McPhat and PDMG seem like sensible ppl, looking at their replies in this topic.

Wouldn't it be great if we had McPhat textures on our brand new 777's?

We can only hope!