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It's a good piece of software but it is not being actively developed.  Try the demo before you buy and be aware that there will be no future updates and support will be sketchy.

 

You could also look at FSCaptain, it's basically the same without the economic aspects; i am a little unsure about the development state, it has been very quite for some time and it could also be in permanent development hold.  It also has a fully featured demo.

 

FSEconomy is free and has features similar to the above.

 

XPAX is another potential choice, i know very little about this, but someone should be able to help you.

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It gives you ...

 

- a career mode

- copilot/flight crew immersion

- a failure mode

 

To each of these benefits there are alternatives - but it's a winning combination as far as FSP is concerned.

 

What is your main goal and what's your kind of flying/which airplanes do you usually fly?

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thanks for the comments so far..

 

I am flying all of the time airliners, that is PMDG 737 / 747 products...

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You should set the FSP options in a way that FSP does NOT change your PMDG fuel/weight/balance stuff.

 

And you have to be aware that a lot of PMDG systems are coded externally so the FSP failure mode cannot affect so and so many PMDG systems (fuel leaks, engine flameouts?).

 

If it's more about flight crew experience and more immersion you could also consider FS2Crew as an alternative.

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I have FS passengers and use it for:

1- the announcements (you can customize your own if you want) + i found some interesting packages on FSP website

2- i like the post flight reports which analyses the take off and landings

 

 

but try the demo first to see if it works well for you. I did bought Xpax but did not work for me.

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Oli do you have FS2Crew? I was considering that as a potential add-on however, I stopped doing research as I found out that I was rather complicated it to use it... is that true for you?

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Yep: It seems rather complex to me, too. You have to set a number of things in the interface to make it do what you want it to do. And it's rigid - you have to follow exactly the procedures incorporated.

 

Alternatives to FS2Crew are Multi Crew Experience (I don't own that) and Flight Deck Companion (I still use that legacy product ...).

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I believe that FS2Crew can cause issue when run with FSPassengers, though i may be wrong on this.

 

FS2Crew is not really complicated if you go for the button version, it simply installs itself into the Aircraft and that's it really for the setup.  The voice version is more complicated but there is a decent setup guide and Bryan York is very helpful.

 

Of course it's rigid, that's how you fly a passenger liner, checklists and procedures.  If you don't want to fly with it, just don't start it for that flight.

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To do some more justice to Bryan:

 

You can skip certain flight phases in FS2Crew, to start with the takeoff phase immediately, for example, right?

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I think you should get Fscaptain instead, unlike FSpassengers it's still actively developed with latest version released some months ago while Fspassenger developer has completely left the project and doesn't really seem to offer any support either.

 

Only thing it lacks is the economic model which is very basic with Fspax, not any realistic. Other than that Fscaptain has way more features, is way better compatible with PMDG stuff and has active support.

 

Fspassengers isn't a bad program either, I had a lot of good time with it before I bought Fscaptain, it's just kind of old and if you run into problems you can't really expect to get any support, usually their forums moderator tells anybody with a problem to use search function. (not that there really would be any new solutions to fix problems anyway).

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I did have FSP. Today environment I am utilizing. Fs2Crew (Perfect) and dispatcher FS Captain. Both combination makes my flights more enjoyable.

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I think you should get Fscaptain instead, unlike FSpassengers it's still actively developed with latest version released some months ago while Fspassenger developer has completely left the project and doesn't really seem to offer any support either.

 

Only thing it lacks is the economic model which is very basic with Fspax, not any realistic. Other than that Fscaptain has way more features, is way better compatible with PMDG stuff and has active support.

 

Fspassengers isn't a bad program either, I had a lot of good time with it before I bought Fscaptain, it's just kind of old and if you run into problems you can't really expect to get any support, usually their forums moderator tells anybody with a problem to use search function. (not that there really would be any new solutions to fix problems anyway).

 

I'm not sure that you are correct anymore regarding FSCaptain.  Dutch does periodically check in.  Travis hasn't been on since March.  No news regarding the next update.  I could very well be wrong but i'm getting the FSPassenger vibe from the FSCaptain forum.

 

I would however suggest you give it a try in my opinion, even as it stands, it is better than FSP.

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Try FSCapatain.  I really enjoy it.  It adds a purpose to my flights and keeps me on a time schedule.  It's also actively developed.  I highly recommend it.

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Never tried it, but for what it's worth, every other sim-pilot I fly with online who had it quickly grew tired of it and stopped using it.

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I'm not sure that you are correct anymore regarding FSCaptain. Dutch does periodically check in. Travis hasn't been on since March. No news regarding the next update. I could very well be wrong but i'm getting the FSPassenger vibe from the FSCaptain forum.

 

Well it got an update last December, Fspassengers has been dead for years. Also I saw a reply from Dutch about Majestic Dash 8, if I remember right he said that they plan to make Fscaptain compatible with it at some point, so to me it doesn't look like development would have been stopped completely.

 

Anyway, in general what I've found to be the cons with Fspassengers:

 

- Not compatible with PMDG stuff unless you disable FSpax loading fuel / pax completely, I believe FScaptain can at least load some payload to PMDG 737NGX and others.

 

- Lacks all the many customization features that FSCaptain has, you can't create a schedule and so on.

 

- You have to access most FSpax menu's through top bar which can be annoying, with Fscaptain everything can be easily accessed through FCOM gauge.

 

- No variety in passenger numbers, your reputation and ticket prices are the only two things that determine how many passengers you get with any payload model, thus with the same payload model, reputation and ticket price you will always get same amount of passengers to board from any airport. In FScaptain there's variety with pax numbers.

 

- No things like position reports, telling cabin crew to prepare for landing / takeoff (other than by ending the music)...

 

- Also the economic system is quite basic and outdated. In real life you could buy used 747-400 for like 50 million dollars or so, in FSpax you have to pay unrealistic price like + 150 000 for any used aircraft in decent condition. Same goes with all other aircraft, their used prices are way too high (unless you buy old ruin that keeps having failures every second flight or so). Other than ticket prices, service quality and such there's nothing else to adjust.

 

These are the reasons why I prefer Fscaptain nowadays.

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These are the reasons why I prefer Fscaptain nowadays

 

I agree with everything written, just nervous about the current state of FSCaptain, Dutch was ill for a period and then we hear next to nothing about an update and Travis appears to have vanished.

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Try FSCapatain.  I really enjoy it.  It adds a purpose to my flights and keeps me on a time schedule.  It's also actively developed.  I highly recommend it.

 

Yeah but see abovem Witan just said the site is not being updated since March.

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Yeah but see abovem Witan just said the site is not being updated since March.

 

No, i said that Travis hadn't logged in since March.  Travis was / is a moderator.  Dutch (developer) logged in two days ago.

 

My concern is that Dutch isn't really engaging on the forums any more, there has been no information regarding an update...however he was ill.  Time will tell.

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I bought FSPassengersX a while ago enjoy it still, though not all the time.  I followed the career, working my way up from the default Mooney Bravo through to dual props, turboprops, small jets, regionals, etc. up to no size limit.   I liked the challenge of gaining hours and points (and being penalized for bad flights) and being rewarded by being able to fly larger planes.  Also liked the boarding, crew announcements, gasps during turbulence, then the flight report at the end.  Once you get used to it, it is hard not to fly with it as you start to get lonely. ;) 

 

I admit I don't use it all the time now...it has gotten a bit old, but I have between 300 and 350 hours logged on it, and those are only the flights that went well that I recorded, hah! :)  I think it is buggier with the newest planes (e.g., on the NGX, I get penalized for not having strobes on no matter what).  I haven't tried it with the Q400.

 

I will point out that it works OK with the NGX, you just have to load the fuel through the FMS first, then start the flight in FSPasX and specify the cargo and passengers, and don't change the fuel from within FSPasX.

 

I can't compare to other programs that are similar, though.

 

-Don

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You might want to wait for SimAir.

 

http://www.simairexperience.com

 

I would never advice someone to get FSPassengers. I own it but haven't used it for a few years already... It's old, buggy, not supported... waste of money imho. 

 

About FS2Crew: one of the best addons I've bought. Before getting it I kind of liked the 737NGX but since installing FS2Crew I've only been flying the 737NGX. It makes everything so much more real and immersive (the opposite of what I expected, really...). I use the button version. It indeed took some getting used to it but it's worth it and in the end, when you know how it works, it's VERY easy to use. (But that goes for a lot of things, haha!) I've made some sort of checklist that shows everything you have to do with the PMDG737 and FS2Crew in chronological order so if you ever buy it and get confused, I could mail you that list. 

You have to do everything in a specific order indeed but that's how it goes in real life so I see no problem there. You can also indeed skip steps if you want to.

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fs2crew = 5 star product/6 star support

 

fspassengers is expensive,old/ outdated and even the Dev wants nothing to do with it

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Has to be FS2Crew for me, yes the learning curve is steep but it's rewarding to use and assists in managing the aircraft properly

 

All the economic models with FS Pax, FS Captain etc seem superfluous to me; I'm a pilot in a Flight Simulator, not a manager in Airline Management Sim. I have no interest in what music is played nor when dinner is served to the self loading freight behind me (When FS Pax came out I said it should of been called Cabin Crew Simulator)! And if I was interested in such things I'd be using dedicated management sims like Airline Empires or Airline Simulator 6.1.

 

In addition to this, in some way or other they don't play properly with advanced addon aircraft, especially in respect to failures. The flight scoring systems seem somewhat arbitrary too and have little foundation in reality (e.g. in heavy cloud I may have to turn the strobes off to stop myself getting dazzled, or the landing lights might be located on the gear struts so I would turn them off straight after takeoff - both things could get you penalised unjustly. You could land a little heavy but have done very well considering the prevailing weather etc)

 

I'd rather spend the money on another aircraft, weather engine, mesh, landclass, textures, scenery before products like FS Pax/FS Captain, they don't seem to represent value for money based on what they bring to the simulation. Just my thoughts of course, I know many people dearly love such products but I personally I cannot fathom why; different strokes for different folks I guess.

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I enjoy FS Passengers, especially the finance side of it and a bit of atmosphere with the cabin announcements, getting penalised for not asking for clearance over 250knts  makes you think more about flying propertly.

 However  last week I got Air Hauler for my birthday  and am finding this very immersive, especailly as you can save mid flight and pick up again later. The finance side and running  the company so much more detailed.  If you can I would have both,  but if I was limited to one purchase i would go for Air Hauler.

 

Regards

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All the economic models with FS Pax, FS Captain etc seem superfluous to me; I'm a pilot in a Flight Simulator, not a manager in Airline Management Sim.

 

...and that's exactly the premise of FSCaptain. You have nothing to do with running an airline and there's no economic management. You enter your starting location and the aircraft type you're qualified for and you are allocated a route and judged on your performance. You can limit your ability to fly types within an airline by mandating check rides. I simply don't fly without it. For me it is the best tool for providing a context for my simulated flying. I've even parked the Majestic Q400 until it's FSC-compatible.

 

FSP and FSCaptain are very different animals and shouldn't be compared directly.

 

Andy

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