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Is the Q400 a good choice for casual Simmers?

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I am a casual simmer, who mostly enjoys flying GA aircraft in Orbx areas, mainly the Pacific Northwest. I have been setting up flight plans within FSX, and just have learned how to do ILS landings. That said, is the Q400 a good choice for me? Can I set up the flight plan within FSX and have the Q400 recognize it?

 

I know the Q400 is a very realistic simulation, but can it be flown in a more simple mode by us non flyers in the real world.

 

I do love the looks of this plane.

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Just follow the tutorial and you shouldn't have a problem. Recommend a yoke, throttle, and rudders though. Good luck.

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You will have to learn how to start it manually, but its not that hard(figured it out without reading the manual, and I consider myself a casual simmer). And with the pilot version you don't have to worry about failures so you can fly this plane without to much trouble. But you can also go complex and program the FMC, do the checklists and do things the right way.(I haven't figured out yet howto import a flight plan to the FMC, was completely different than in the NGX so right now I just fly with normal FSX flightplans and getting vectored by ATC (I will eventually learn this FMC but haven't had time yet to figure it out))

The best things so far I think with this plane is the superb performance even with it's complexity so you can fly with a lot more eyecandy settings than e.g the PMDG NGX or J41. 

The downside is, there no turbulence yet, and no SDK, so you cant get FS2Crew yet and GSX doesn't work to good with it either. These are things they're working on and I think eventually it will be solved.

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 Can I set up the flight plan within FSX and have the Q400 recognize it?

 

 

As best I know, the Q400 does not recognize an FSX flightplan.

 

You will have to enter it into the FMS, if you want the aircraft to follow it.

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I would advise you away from this as a casual simmer.  The Q400 is definitely hardcore simming, believe me.

 

It's not the sort of aircraft that you would enjoy until you have delved into what makes it tick, If you know what I mean,

 

I advise this with the greatest respect, of course.

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Hi PDX Flyer

first we have to know how much familiar are you with FMS systems on some aircrafts like new gen boeings and airbuses.if youre cofortable with FMS,Q400 is a good experience.but if youre not,you have to study some few hours to get familiar with general physiology of AFS systems(Auto Flight Systems.

If you have only flown some propellers like bonanza F33A or C172,its better for you to start with a Baron 58 or Piper PA34,when you felt that youre ready and comfortable with twin engine props(and faliures like eng faliure,working with rudder trim and so on),youre good to go to Q400.

Hope my words help you

Regards

MohamadReza Farhadi

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I would advise you away from this as a casual simmer. The Q400 is definitely hardcore simming, believe me.

 

 

 

It's not the sort of aircraft that you would enjoy until you have delved into what makes it tick, If you know what I mean,

 

 

 

I advise this with the greatest respect, of course.

 

I wouldn't say that, I dare to say It can be flown almost as easy as any other FSX plane as long as you get it started first wich isn't that hard really, If you can live without the FMC and just let ATC vector you on course you will get this bird from A to B without any trouble+ You'll get a nice plane and excellent turboprop simulation with excellent physics and amazing sounds and nice VC graphics and who knows maybe someday you'll advance and start getting interested in the FMC and get it up and running and do all the checklist etc(Also whats the alternative if he wanna fly the Dash 8?). This is how I got started flying complex planes and all the complexness just came naturally as I evolved, when I first bought the NGX I didn't even know what an FMC was :P but I still could get the plane up in the air and go from A to B without to much problems.

 

Don't be scared, just dive into it! It gets more and more rewarding when time passes and you learn more correct ways to fly these complex birds B)

When I come to think about it I have never read the NGX manual, I have just used FS2Crew to aid me in pushing the right buttons...

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I wouldn't say that, I dare to say It can be flown almost as easy as any other FSX plane as long as you get it started first wich isn't that hard really, If you can live without the FMC and just let ATC vector you on course you will get this bird from A to B without any trouble+ You'll get a nice plane and excellent turboprop simulation with excellent physics and amazing sounds and nice VC graphics and who knows maybe someday you'll advance and start getting interested in the FMC and get it up and running and do all the checklist etc(Also whats the alternative if he wanna fly the Dash 8?). This is how I got started flying complex planes and all the complexness just came naturally as I evolved, when I first bought the NGX I didn't even know what an FMC was :P but I still could get the plane up in the air and go from A to B without to much problems.

 

Don't be scared, just dive into it! It gets more and more rewarding when time passes and you learn more correct ways to fly these complex birds B)

When I come to think about it I have never read the NGX manual, I have just used FS2Crew to aid me in pushing the right buttons...

Kaboki, he described himself as a Casual Simmer (meaning he doesn't have the time to study any aircraft. He is like many, they just want to take off and fly).

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Kaboki, he described himself as a Casual Simmer (meaning he doesn't have the time to study any aircraft. He is like many, they just want to take off and fly).

 

Ok maybe I am more than casual then... I considered myself a casual simmer, still hasn't learned how to use the FMC in the Dash 8. But I enjoy flying it very much and I didn't even have to read the manual to get it started(it's very easy getting the engines running, basictly just turn on the power and ignition switches and apu and press start and open up the condition levers, there are more procedures to but as a casual simmer he don't need to worry about that, the plane will fly:)), he could also just watch a 2 minute start tutorial on youtube to get it running. Not that much time consuming, from then on It's just go fly and he don't have to do all the checklists because the plane doesn't punish you if not activated all systems(atleast in the Pilot version).. How hard can that be? You do not need to be a rocket scientist to make that happen...So then he could fly it just like any other 'FSX plane but the physics would be way cooler and the sounds just awesome hence the experience would be good even if he's a noob...

 

 

 

I have been setting up flight plans within FSX, and just have learned how to do ILS landings.

 And he's progressing, he learned that(maybe he's more than casual but just don't understand that yet), so I cant see why he cant learn howto fly the dash 8. Who knows maybe he turn hardcore when times go, that's what happend to me. A year back I never dreamed that I would learn howto fly an airliner using checklist program FMC etc and wasn't interested to learn all those things either, It just happened gradually. And I dont' have all the time in the world  but this hobby kinda drags you down deeper and deeper in a good way B)

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Thanks to everyone who responded. have been flying the Carenado Baron 58 and the B200, and the RealAir Duke B60. I know that they aren't as complex as some other vendors. I am getting familiar with their systems and fairly recently learned how to create a flight plan in FSX (which these planes recognize) and using the autopilot to fly the flight plan. Also, as I mentioned in my initial post, I have learned how to successfully land using ILS.

 

I am not familiar with Flight Management Systems, but am not afraid to invest a lot of time reading the manual. Also, I haven't yet used ATC or getting vectored, but that was on my radar screen to learn next.

 

I think of myself as a reasonably smart and am not afraid to invest time (or a lot of time) in reading the manuals.

I do have several questions. Can this plane be flown without using pedals? Also, how good are the manuals and can I download them before I buy the plane. I think looking at the manuals will go a long way to helping my buy or no buy decision.

 

Once again, thanks for all of your responses.

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The plane is not that hard to fly. Its actually easier than the PMDG, its just not as automated as the PMDG. I just started using FSX about 2 months ago and I started off with the PMDG 747 and then moved up to the 737.

I tried flying the stock jets and found them lacking, now I have way more fun with the PMDG planes and programming the FMC with SIDS and STARS.

 

If you want to get proficent with the Dash8, you have to keep flying it. When I started flying the pmdg 737 I hated it, just because there was so much to do before you could start flying, but now I wouldnt have it any other way. The Dash8 is the same way. Learning it was a lot of trial and error, and I'm still learning but it is fun.

 

I would say go ahead and get it and just watch a couple videos on youtube to familiarize yourself with it

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I think of myself as a reasonably smart and am not afraid to invest time (or a lot of time) in reading the manuals.

I do have several questions. Can this plane be flown without using pedals? Also, how good are the manuals and can I download them before I buy the plane. I think looking at the manuals will go a long way to helping my buy or no buy decision.

 

Hmm, im sure it can be flown without pedals but I would recommend having them, unless you have twist joystick that can be used as rudders. Not sure if you can download manuals, but I recommend watching a youtube tutorial such as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl7mMDBamvw, It will give you some indication on how too start up and stuff and what you're getting into. You don't have to do all the procidedures and click all the buttons to get it flying, what I did first was focusing on just how to start it (basicly turn batteries and power switches on, ignition switches on, start APU and then click on the start switches and then open up the fuel by open the condition levers)

The other things just comes naturally when you want to learn them by doing the checklists etc when you're ready to go deeper. It's learning the FMC that is a real challenge, haven't gotten there yet myself as this one is so different than the NGX one and I never programmed the NGX one manually, have always just imported ready to use flightplans directly into the FMC. But I cant seem to find where in the FMC I do this with the Dash 8, guess i'll have to dig into the manual something I rarely do(Im the kinda guy that likes to try and learning by error, and when I get into trouble, I'll start reading manuals or watch tutorials on youtube).

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Hmm, im sure it can be flown without pedals but I would recommend having them, unless you have twist joystick that can be used as rudders. Not sure if you can download manuals, but I recommend watching a youtube tutorial such as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl7mMDBamvw, It will give you some indication on how too start up and stuff and what you're getting into. You don't have to do all the procidedures and click all the buttons to get it flying, what I did first was focusing on just how to start it (basicly turn batteries and power switches on, ignition switches on, start APU and then click on the start switches and then open up the fuel by open the condition levers)

The other things just comes naturally when you want to learn them by doing the checklists etc when you're ready to go deeper. It's learning the FMC that is a real challenge, haven't gotten there yet myself as this one is so different than the NGX one and I never programmed the NGX one manually, have always just imported ready to use flightplans directly into the FMC. But I cant seem to find where in the FMC I do this with the Dash 8, guess i'll have to dig into the manual something I rarely do(Im the kinda guy that likes to try and learning by error, and when I get into trouble, I'll start reading manuals or watch tutorials on youtube).

I dont think you can import flight plans into the fmc for the dash8 but I may be wrong. I have search all through the fmc and there is no sign of an import feature, but then again the one for the ngx dont really jump out at you either lol.

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I dont think you can import flight plans into the fmc for the dash8 but I may be wrong. I have search all through the fmc and there is no sign of an import feature, but then again the one for the ngx dont really jump out at you either lol.

 

brb :Nail Biting:  Hope your wrong, doing that manually every flight I think would be to much work for me and boring. Do the pilots do that in real life with every flight? I was under the impression that they just downloaded flight data from a chip given to them by the airline...Am I wrong?

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brb :Nail Biting:  Hope your wrong, doing that manually every flight I think would be to much work for me and boring. Do the pilots do that in real life with every flight? I was under the impression that they just downloaded flight data from a chip given to them by the airline...Am I wrong?

lol I dont know how it is for the real pilots but its not really that much work. What I do is find a flight using route finder on the EFB and that gives me the waypts. Then I type those in the fmc. The good thing about the D8 is that you can enter almost everything into the fmc without typing too much using the list button.

 

Hit  flp->list and the airport you are at will be the first one on the list. From that, the fmc can chain together the different waypts, airways and vors based on a single waypoint. I think its acutally easier than how its done on the ngx.

 

I actually enjoy doing it that way vs just importing a flight plan but thats just me :lol:

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What I do is find a flight using route finder on the EFB and that gives me the waypts. Then I type those in the fmc. The good thing about the D8 is that you can enter almost everything into the fmc without typing too much using the list button.

 

It may not take that much time, but the thing is I struggle a lot getting in the waypoints right and always seem to get a broken connection in the flightplan and I struggle to get the pieces together especially the sids and star, even when I have used a flightplanner to make the flightplan. That's the main reason I don't do it manually+ Im lazy :P But Ill guess Ill have to watch more tutorials too be able to do it manually if there's no importing options in the dash 8..

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Do the pilots do that in real life with every flight? I was under the impression that they just downloaded flight data from a chip given to them by the airline...Am I wrong?

 

The plans are stored in the aircraft by other stuff (presumably mechanics), the pilots dont put a CD in or nothing. 

 

The Majestic Dash can use stored routes. You can either key them in and save them for later use, or, if Majestic release a format definition, use other means (such as various programs exporting the format directly, maybe VatRoute or something similar).

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The plans are stored in the aircraft by other stuff (presumably mechanics), the pilots dont put a CD in or nothing.

 

The Majestic Dash can use stored routes. You can either key them in and save them for later use, or, if Majestic release a format definition, use other means (such as various programs exporting the format directly, maybe VatRoute or something similar).

 

^_^ Ok, thanks for the insight, but someone had to put them there in the first place, or do the pilots program the ruotes manually everytime they step into the cockpit?

 

Guess I have to learn to this manually...but it's nice to hear that they can be saved for later use, so I don't have to do it everytime..

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The plans are stored in the aircraft by other staff (presumably mechanics), the pilots dont put a CD in or nothing. 

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LOL, I misunderstood because of the typo, the answer was right there I just didn't catch it sorry.. (stuff/staff)

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It depends on the airline and the aircraft. Many of the newer a/c out there can import plans that are sent directly to the FMC from the dispatcher (they can also download wx reports, gate assignments, company messages, etc.). Not every FMC can do this, nor does every airline pay to have this feature installed. There are airlines that have a database of pre-stored flights the pilots can choose from by calling up a menu. They then just have to cross-check that all the waypoints match up with the actual filed flight plan. Most flights will use the same plan every time, only adjusting for wx or other issues.

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I think you are overestimating the difficulty of starting the aircraft in FSX and then controlling it.  Flying in FSX ain't quantam physics.  He'll enjoy the plane and slowly like the complexity. Nothing wrong in just getting in and flying. Thats one of the ways how you learn in FSX and get familiar with the instruments/systems/controls.

 

 

I would advise you away from this as a casual simmer.  The Q400 is definitely hardcore simming, believe me.

 

It's not the sort of aircraft that you would enjoy until you have delved into what makes it tick, If you know what I mean,

 

I advise this with the greatest respect, of course.

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Too the OP, did you get the Dash 8? Sorry for derailing you're thread with all the FMC questions. It just happened unintentionally :blush:

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I am not familiar with Flight Management Systems, but am not afraid to invest a lot of time reading the manual. Also, I haven't yet used ATC or getting vectored, but that was on my radar screen to learn next.

 

(...)

I think of myself as a reasonably smart and am not afraid to invest time (or a lot of time) in reading the manuals.

 

(...)

 

With this attitude, I wouldn't consider you as a casual simmer anymore ;).

 

If you want to step into the more complex aircrafts, you have to start somewhere. So why not do it with the D8.

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If you can get to grips with the RealAir B60 and you can read (this is a tongue in cheek remark...), I am sure anyone with enough dedication to learn how to operate one of these can do so. It is a question of time if you are even the slightest bit technically minded...

 

At the end of the day, most of the operation, in terms of getting single systems running and integrated, is just pushing buttons and throwing switches. If you can control a default FSX plane and keep it straight and level throughout its speed envelope, if you can follow a glideslope and/or localiser on approach manually, then you should theoretically be able to control any of the FS aircraft that have been developed, given enough time to practice...

 

My question to myself is always: how much do I really want the released addon, will I fly it enough to justify the purchase, or is it a must-have regardless of how much I will actually use it? The Q400 is a must-have in my eyes, for me... I will also use it enough to justify its purchase..., I really wanted it...

 

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