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Why do painters never use Parking Codes?

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Hi,

 

first of all I want to thank all those talented painters who contribute so much to our community, but:

 

Every time I add a new livery to one of my aircraft I have to add the parking codes myself to the aircraft.cfg.

Of course it is no big deal, but I wonder why the painters don't add the codes, as they release all the other cfg entries?

It is so simple, just add the line:

atc_parking_codes=*ICAO code of the airline*

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I agree completely.  But, I'm sure it's easy to miss since it's not in the cfg file by default either.  So, when a paint is completed, it's a copy and paste from an existing entry in aircraft.cfg and of course the existing entry doesn't contain it either.  Then, the paint is released without the parking codes.

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I've never put them in simply because most of our flying is done on the VATSIM network and the parking code is never really used. I rely on a controller for that or myself if none is available. Never had any of our team ask that question either. Good question.

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 I always thought the parking codes were utilized only by AI aircraft. Never really looked into it.

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The parking codes are used by GSX along with default MS ATC.

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Simple reason not to add the parking codes : Only works with airports where the parking codes are added in the first palce ( with afcad or whatever programme is used these days ) . Fly to an airport where " your " airline normally does not fly to , what happens then ? And if you fly to an airport where your airline is normally seen , just taxi to a gate where it would normally be found .

Do all developers do this ? Not to my knowledge , looking in several aircraft.cfg's on my PC , not all aircraft have these lines included .

Also you state in the original post that " it's no big deal " , for a painter it means having to search for the correct code ( if it's wrong we wouldn't hear the end of it ) , as if looking at 100's of photographs before starting a repaint isn't enough !

 

I myself do a lot of research before painting an aircraft but have no intention of adding extra " work " to a project and I am sure that other painters feel the same , even if they do not reply here .

 

John Glanville

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Also. What would please Jack would totally torque off Jill! Personal preferences I reckon.,

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I always do. AL-WAYS!

 

 

 

(Also callsigns and a/c history up to that point. That's how nice I am.)

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Simple reason not to add the parking codes : Only works with airports where the parking codes are added in the first palce ( with afcad or whatever programme is used these days ) . Fly to an airport where " your " airline normally does not fly to , what happens then ? And if you fly to an airport where your airline is normally seen , just taxi to a gate where it would normally be found .

Right. It does only work with airports that have correct afcads. But still, that's not a reason not to include them. If we fly to an airport that airline doesn't fly to "then what" - well, then we get sent to any gate available anyway and no harm done by already having it in the config. Taxiing to or choosing a gate where our airline would normally go to on our own then requires the user to check the afcad somehow to see where their airline gates are. Not impossible, but a heck of a lot harder than adding these 2 lines to the config once in the beginning and being done with it.

 

Anyway, this is just my opinion. Like was said, it is not that big a deal really. Would it be nice if it was there and was "the standard" to do that for all painters, definitely. But, I'm used to doing it myself as, like has been said here, that's the norm - for painters not to do it. So, it's something I always check when installing a new paint.

 

I'm not trying to argue or anything. I see your point. I've done a few paints myself and it's not easy work, that's for sure. I'm sure all of us here would rather have the repaints with missing parking than not have them at all. So, I understand where you're coming from. And, we completely and totally appreciate all the hard work!!! So, it's a tiny detail that I can over look. I hope this reads in the way I intend it to and not in a negative way.

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Should I also state in the readme.txt that the repaint may only be flown according to the ( repainted ) airlines schedule ? Ofcourse not . Next we will have to visit each downloader at home to install the repaint for them ( as part of the service ) .

No , as I stated in my previous post , as a painter I spend a lot of time on a repaint and I find that enough , others may go the extra mile ( their choice ) . I have in the past added information to the description such as construction number or if something unusual has occured during an aircraft's service but I doubt if people even read that even though it can be seen when selecting an aircraft .

 

John Glanville

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 Either way, adding the cfg entries for parking yourself is sub 10 second process.  You're already in there anyways adding the aircraft. 

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Should I also state in the readme.txt that the repaint may only be flown according to the ( repainted ) airlines schedule ?

 

Well, a general "routes flown by this aircraft" would be swell.

Old timetables more often than not do not include equipment type an I'm left scratching my head trying to figure out where, say Piedmont took its 732s.

 

 

 

 Either way, adding the cfg entries for parking yourself is sub 10 second process.  You're already in there anyways adding the aircraft. 

 

True, with the exception of airlines whose ICAO codes you don't know.

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Hi Dan,

 

The parking code data is only used by AI planes - in both FS2004 & FSX.

 

So the line in the config is entirely redundant for your own aircraft parking.

 

Kind Rgds,

Chris.

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The parking code data is only used by AI planes - in both FS2004 & FSX.



So the line in the config is entirely redundant for your own aircraft parking.

 

Really?  Are you sure about this?  I'm not saying it's not as I'm not 100% sure myself.  But, I can tell you this, when I have a paint that does not have the airline's ICAO code in it for parking, GSX does not know which gates are "my airline" and default ATC just sends me to whatever parking spot is at the top of the list in the AFCAD.  Not the top one available for my airline.  When I have this line in the cfg, I get correctly assigned parkings from default ATC and GSX knows which gates are "my airline".

 

Maybe this has just been coincidence for me, but I don't think so.  But, I am always curious to learn.

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The parking code data is only used by AI planes - in both FS2004 & FSX.

 

So the line in the config is entirely redundant for your own aircraft parking.

 

No, it's not. It's also used for parking assignment for userspace aircraft.

 

Source: Many a flight.

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Perhaps...

 

1. Ask Aerosoft & PMDG, why they both apparently 'forgot' to include the parking codes in their latest products.

 

2. do a test - disable ALL AI; close FSX; set an airfield with two unique airlines codes in the parking spots; and land/request parking from the SAME taxiway with TWO variants of the SAME aircraft type; using each of the codes set in the spots. And you'll find that ATC directs you to the same parking both times, rather than a spot associated with the parking code.

 

Kind Rgds,

Chris.

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The parking code data is only used by AI planes - in both FS2004 & FSX.

 

So the line in the config is entirely redundant for your own aircraft parking.

 

Kind Rgds,

Chris.

 

Hi Chris.

 

Im sorry to say your information is a bit wrong.

 

The main issue is that developers of airports and aircraft tend not to set them up ( some do but not all and then they can be wrong or out of date ) so its left to us and we can end up putting in the wrong codes as the parking code in the airport must match what we put in the aircraft.cfg and then we can only park there if the other data in the aircraft.cfg and airport has been set up correctly. Sadly if one thing is wrong like the wingspan then atc wont give us the correct parking bay.

 

There is a lot more to correct parking than atc_parking_codes in the aircraft.cfg

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2. do a test - disable ALL AI; close FSX; set an airfield with two unique airlines codes in the parking spots; and land/request parking from the SAME taxiway with TWO variants of the SAME aircraft type; using each of the codes set in the spots. And you'll find that ATC directs you to the same parking both times, rather than a spot associated with the parking code.

 

Do you mean set both airline ICAO codes for the same parking spot in the AFCAD of the airport and then see what gate/parking spot ATC gives you?  If that is the case, then I would expect to get the same gate both times for each variant as ATC will pick the first available parking spot that matches the ICAO code configured in the aircraft.cfg(assuming no other traffic is already in that spot like AI) and that gate would match both variants.

 

If you mean set one parking spot with one code and a different parking spot with the other code, then you should be assigned to different gates based on ICAO code in your aircraft.cfg for the respective variant.

 

I have never tried to test this exactly as you say(and can't right now) but, this has always been the case for me.  If I download a new variant that doesn't have the ICAO parking codes in it's aircraft.cfg, I do not get assigned a gate for the airline variant I'm flying (assuming again that the AFCAD has correct assignments).  I then realize this after my first flight to said airport and then go set it in it's aircraft.cfg.  The next time I return to said airport with same variant, I get a correctly assigned gate for my airline(assuming here that my airline parking spots are not already full).

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2. do a test - disable ALL AI; close FSX; set an airfield with two unique airlines codes in the parking spots; and land/request parking from the SAME taxiway with TWO variants of the SAME aircraft type; using each of the codes set in the spots. And you'll find that ATC directs you to the same parking both times, rather than a spot associated with the parking code.

 

Kind Rgds,

Chris.

 

 

sort of done that test and it gave me a different parking spot NGX House Colours 800WL gate 20 ( no parking codes on that gate ) and NGX 800WL British Airways ( BAW for parking code ) and it gave me Gate B18 which has the parking code BAW in the AFCAD, this is at Aerosoft LFMN which has the wrong parking codes asigned to most of its gates.

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Well you live and learn! just did a similar test & it seems that FSX does recognise the parking codes in the FSX config files for user-driven aircraft.

 

I have a modified parking file for LFMN & from the threshold of 22R, Lufthansa and Air France repaints of the Airbus Extended are directed to their respective terminals ...once the parking codes are added to the aircraft.

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I think part of the problem that can happen with correct parking codes in both the afcad and aircraft.cfg is that the sim will give pirorty to AI traffic that is incoming even if you have landed, and the reason for the age old, when i move my aircraft out of the parking bay another one will apear there even though there is lots of empty parking bays at the airport.

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