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Looks like FsGenesis will be releasing next week a package that will include accurate roads, rails, streams and utility lines. The also have a version for those who already have F-1 USAroads. It would be interesting to have more VFR clues while flying. I think I will be getting this one. The price is right. http://www.fsgenesis.com/Merchant2/merchan...ategory_Code=AD

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I pre-ordered it last night, the version without roads, since I already have USA Roads.The price is right, and Markus' reputation for hard work and great support make it a no-brainer.It should add a lot to the VFR experience. I'm looking forward to to the lakes and rivers add-on as well.Jim

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Does anyone know if this package will include coastlines and lakes. If not, there is an opportunity on a later addon. I purchased VFR Terrain (for England) and the added realism of the coastlines and lakes was probally the strong point of the product.

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>I pre-ordered it last night, the version without roads, since>I already have USA Roads.I don't have any financial connection with FS Genesis (except as a customer). I bought USA Roads about a week after it came out and it's a great product.Consider this, though: USA Roads does not include Alaska. Markus's road package does. Since the full roads version of Markus's add-on is only $5 more, it might be worth having both and turning off the Markus roads for the lower 48. ...Unless you prefer his implementation of roads, which some people are going to. Even though USA Roads is more precise (because it uses more expensive data), it doesn't implement some of the new road features (e.g., road signs, road flattens). There were good reasons for this decision. But Markus's roads are going to be more flexible in this regard; see "American Data" forum on FS Genesis for details. As always, it will be a trade-off: accuracy versus eye-candy, eye-candy versus framerates. The price, though, is hard to argue with.

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>Does anyone know if this package will include coastlines and>lakes. If not, there is an opportunity on a later addon. I>purchased VFR Terrain (for England) and the added realism of>the coastlines and lakes was probally the strong point of the>product.Coastlines and lakes end of the year maybe.

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If i ve to change Usa roads - for usa roads - or default rivers - streams - coastlines - for default rivers - streams or coastlines shapes - i will than start to look for somenthing a bit more realistic - as lwm vtp - although ok - is still ways far from refleccting the real thing - and lwm vtp based packages of vast dimension tend to have lots and lots of lines misplacements - - due to the nature of lwm vtp editing requirements to covers such vast territory as the usa - or any other vast areas.rayhave a look at scenery reflecting the real thing - how does it look like!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/94568.gif

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Thanks for the tip John. I just ordered it. Do you (anyone?) know if it's possible to turn off the default FS9 roads wihout messing up something else?Doug

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> Thanks for the tip John. I just ordered it. Do you>(anyone?) know if it's possible to turn off the default FS9>roads wihout messing up something else?>>DougBoth packages allow you to replace default roads, but will not replace default city/suberb landclass ground textures that have roads drawn on them.Is that what you are asking?

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I've been beta-testing this product because (and that's my only reward!) of the road and stream flattening feature. MUCH more realistic than USA Roads. I've uninstalled my USA Roads. Check out for more on flattening:http://portal.fsgenesis.net/index.php?name...iewtopic&t=1392I turn on flattening for ALL roads (major and minor)and streams without a big performance hit. I also like:- configurable on/off for roads over water- Alaska included (can selectively choose Alaska, if you want to keep your USA roads)- inexpensive- the fact that FSGenesis is distributing the productJon

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>MUCH more realistic than USA Roads. What kind of CRAP statement is this?Sorry for the strong word but I just abhore this level of misinformation and propaganda.What can be more realistic then ALL roads with their pinpoint precision location? Ok, excluding Alaska. Even a tiny VERONA PATH (about 100 ft long) next to my house is included in USA Roads. Is it included in your package?Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2, Omega 2.7.90 (4xAA 16xAF)

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My problem with both USA Roads (which I do not have, but have seen many screenshots thereof) and what I see from the demo I have tried of Justin's latest work, is the way that the new roads overlay city texture roads. In other words, the new roads don't look bad in rural areas which are mostly greenery but over city texture tiles look pretty daft, giving the overall appearance of a spider's web. Plus, they seem to drive happily through autogen, don't match up with default bridges, etc. etc. Yes, I know I can disable minor roads, and the coastline stuff will fix some of these issues, but I'm still not convinced. In the demo I tried today, I have roads going out into the sea in Honolulu, convoluted junctions and so on.Can people convince me otherwise? There seems to be nothing but praise for these add-ons but I see so many conflicts that I am a little surprised.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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Michael,Specifically I am referring to the flattening as MUCH more realistic. That's my judgement.It is not my product, and I don't have a comment on specific road details.Jon

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Mark, I think you are right on. I prefer these add-ons because of the increased realism in rural areas, and that's where I do almost all my flying. In cities, for me, it's far from realistic.With respect to the demo you downloaded of Hawaii, you'd need to have the FSGenesis Hawaii add-on product which fixes shorelines, then your roads should not be in the water.Overall, I think MSFS has a long way to go before it's realistic in urban areas. The cartoon buildings, necessary low density of buildings etc., are just too far from reality to be fun. I'll stick to flying for the fun of it, and get my eye-candy off the beaten path.Jon

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>Can people convince me otherwise? There seems to be nothing>but praise for these add-ons but I see so many conflicts that>I am a little surprised.Conflicts arise due to very poor realism of the rest of the scenery. Lakes, rivers, bridges, coastlines are in the wrong places. But don't say it is the fault of USA Roads that other parts of scenery are so messed up.If you want to see how accurate USA Roads are - look at the junction/boundary between any photo-real scenery (like any Meagascenery) and USA Roads - the match is perfect. There not even 20 feet of visible discrepancy.I personally don't like the way USA Roads "stand out" sort of like in a road map. But there is a free download that corrects this problem and provides overall better colors and better blending with the environment.Yes, I am waiting for a product that will have the same precision in placement of rivers, lakes and shorelines as USA Roads has in roads. Let me know when this BIG day comes ...And correction ..USA Roads don't drive happily through autogen. But they may conflict with HAND-PLACED buidlings (like in downtown San Francisco) where building were simply put in the wrong places to begin with.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2, Omega 2.7.90 (4xAA 16xAF)

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being working on some areas photorealistic terrains - at high resolutions - with flight 1 Usa roads - installed and high res usgs orthoimages - on top - of usa roads package -i can assure you - if usa roads do match the orthoimages as it does - the product is of high quality - as high res orthoimages do not miss a single roads - and do not misposition a single road - as the orthoimages are positioned into the simulator with great care - and precision - i assure you that usa roads - match perfectly the high res orthoimages - and also do not miss a single road - taking this in consideration and not knowing that any other product can produce such kind of accuracy - - i like flight 1 usa roads - and i keep it installed - is a great product and also a very very precise product !!see picture attached to see it yourself.why change flight 1 usa roads for another package?? When you already have Usa Roads - - and nice Usa Roads!!rayhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/94573.jpg

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>Specifically I am referring to the flattening as MUCH more>realistic.And what about "realistic" flattening? Are you implying USA Roads float in the air in some places? Never saw a single example of that even in highest mountains.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2, Omega 2.7.90 (4xAA 16xAF)

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Ah, I see, Michael. I am not being clear. The danger of being too close to something for too long, perhaps.USA roads follow the contour of the land, so if the slope is 45 degrees on the side of a hill, a roadbed that follows the edge of that hill, will also be at 45 degrees, in other words look painted on the side of the hill, and tilted.MSFS has a flattening function, which default major roads use, that "cuts and fills" to some degree. It fills in hollows, cuts chunks out of the hills to try and flatten the roadbed. USA Roads does not use this function, while American Data does. So in the above example, the roadbed would be flat.It would help if you could post an example of USA roads, so we can compare. Would you be willing to take a screenshot from the same vantage point as the image below with your USA Roads? Coordinates:N20* 52.52 W156* 9.86 Alt 2198 Heading 171. Mid-day.Jon

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Hi all.For owners of USARoads that still want to use those roads, you'll be able to use them, along with the streams and raillines of the FSGenesis product. ( Bridges as well???? )The entire US waterpoly and coastlines are scheduled for near the end of the year by Marcus and FSGenesis.--------------------------------Meanwhile, the developers of USARoads are also planning to release water polys, streams, coastlines.... somewhere in the future, as well as other countries as data becomes available/affordable.So there is a lot of choice coming in the future.The placement accuracy of these products is about the same.Dick

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Hey Dick, my experience with accuracy of roads is that US Roads is extremely accurate, while American data is +/- 50m. So in some areas it's just as accurate, in others it's off a bit. If you don't compare to photoreal scenery, you may not notice any errors. American data is plenty accurate enough for my personal taste in the many areas I've flown in, but folks that want extreme precision take note. That's one reason the price is so good for this product.Jon

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Hi Jon.The base data for both products is the US TIGER data set. But, USARoads is data purchased from as GPS data supplier, and the TIGER data was verified, or changed, as needed. The story I remember was that a few guys in autombiles traveled around the country with a GPS unit to test the data. Depending on the number of beers consumed by these guys the night before, the data should be more accurate. :)Dick

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"The entire US waterpoly and coastlines are scheduled for near the end of the year by Marcus and FSGenesis"Can hardly wait for this one! If it's done well it will be one of the greatest addons for FS9. I live on the coast so I'm a little prejudiced, but I have USARoads and now my house is located in a cove, as opposed to on a hill above the cove.David

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