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I'm this close to giving up on flight simulation for good since there seems to be no way around the endless number of problems. I want to start a flight and it usually takes me an hour, not to set it up but because of one problem or other with fsx, and I'm sick of it. I want to fly, but not at the cost of my sanity. There is nothing that can support my fsx aircraft and scenery, that is more stable so my only option seems to live with the fact that it takes 5 hours to fly for 20 minutes, or just can the whole idea in the first place. Unless anyone else has an idea on what I could do?

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Unless anyone else has an idea on what I could do?

Based on what? You don't really give out any useful information about your situation.

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I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. It just seems like I have to restart fsx due to one thing or another an awful lot just to be able to fly at all. Things like aircraft getting stuck on the runway, or things that are similar. Is there a way to just delete aircraft or vehicles that just get stuck? What's the thing that connects external programs to fsx called? I think I have issues with that as well.

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I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. It just seems like I have to restart fsx due to one thing or another an awful lot just to be able to fly at all. Things like aircraft getting stuck on the runway, or things that are similar. Is there a way to just delete aircraft or vehicles that just get stuck? What's the thing that connects external programs to fsx called? I think I have issues with that as well.

That's not really normal behaviour, you might want to think of a reinstall, despite how much of a pain that is. My plane never gets stuck on the runway lol. It might be an airport thing when you have overlapping airport-afcads. Or a mesh issue perhaps?

If you don't know what you did before it got messed up, it's hard to tell how to fix it, even more so if you have several serious issues.

 

Is SimConnect what you were looking for? Or FSUIPC?

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Next time it happens check the event viewer. Search from the task at for it and look under admin events

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Either or both, I meant ai aircraft and vehicles, often seem to just sit there and the atc seems to forget about them. And there seems to be no way of making an ai airport vehicle move when it doesn't want to, sometimes they'll be stopped right in front of my airplane at the gate.

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Increase the sim rate above 4X and they will all disappear. Go back down to 1X and all AI will be reset. 

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Go back to FS9, you'll get really good performance which makes for very smooth flying! This will calm your nerves and work off your frustration!

 

Thus refreshed, work on your FSX setup, but if you reach the point again where you are considering throwing in the towel, get some solid flying under your belt with FS9 (or another sim - whichever you prefer).

 

Maybe P3D will work for you? X-Plane?

 

Whatever, don't let MS put you out of business for good!

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Either or both, I meant ai aircraft and vehicles, often seem to just sit there and the atc seems to forget about them. And there seems to be no way of making an ai airport vehicle move when it doesn't want to, sometimes they'll be stopped right in front of my airplane at the gate.

Just remove anything to do with AI! They are useless and will give you an increase in frames. To be honest I only use UT2 as my AI traffic, as I feel lonely flying around if its just me. I have removed the useless vehicles though!

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You could help us all out by completing the details in your profile of you computer system and the addons you have installed and are using.

 

Good gravy I have an old system, I have over 500 freeware/payware aircraft....100s of addons, 600 layers of scenery...and I get good performance, can't fly the big tube liners without getting some blurries but so what.  It takes my sim 5 minutes to full load up because I have so much active stuff but once I'm up and running, no issues.

 

You must have your system setup incorrectly or have tons of conflicting things, or setting set very high for AI for instance.

 

And, then provide us with some very specific info on the issue describing what is or is not happening at what airport etc.

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usually when I have a bug problem, I close my windows and get the Raid out :lol:  :P

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Lol

 

We're having grasshopper problems in Alberta this year!

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Lol

 

We're having grasshopper problems in Alberta this year!

Lucky you!

 

I think I'd run miles if I saw just one grasshopper. Not a bug friendly human! :lol:

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Lucky you!

 

I think I'd run miles if I saw just one grasshopper. Not a bug friendly human! :lol:

Neither am I! Lol

 

But on the farm they're just jumping out at you, hitting your chest as you walk....

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Either or both, I meant ai aircraft and vehicles, often seem to just sit there and the atc seems to forget about them. And there seems to be no way of making an ai airport vehicle move when it doesn't want to, sometimes they'll be stopped right in front of my airplane at the gate.

There is a program called "Traffic Explorer". It is part of the Microsoft FSX SDK so you would need to install the SDK first.

 

With this program you can kill and ai traffic if it gets stuck.

 

Here is a link to the ESP documentation (which is pretty much the same as the FSX docs) about the traffic tools

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc526965.aspx

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I use the traffic zapper that comes with FSUIPC. Also comes in handy wenn AI traffic wants to ruin approaches... You can choose to zap all of the traffic or just the object that is closest.

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I'm this close to giving up on flight simulation for good since there seems to be no way around the endless number of problems. I want to start a flight and it usually takes me an hour, not to set it up but because of one problem or other with fsx, and I'm sick of it. I want to fly, but not at the cost of my sanity. There is nothing that can support my fsx aircraft and scenery, that is more stable so my only option seems to live with the fact that it takes 5 hours to fly for 20 minutes, or just can the whole idea in the first place. Unless anyone else has an idea on what I could do?

Believe me I feel your pain. There are days I just want to get up and fly, but end up mitigating a problem here or there. It is a constant battle. Especially as the addons pile on. I think most have real hate/love relationship with FSX.  

 

The only thing I can suggest is to follow all the great tuning guides available to us, make sure your hardware is up to spec, make sure Windows is up to spec, make sure FSX is not overly tweaked and hd's are defragged, and that you take a very meticulous approach when installing addons and altering fsx files.

 

But remember, know matter how much time and money you spend, FSX will never be perfect.

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I think that crashes in FSX are directly proportionate to how many add ons you are running that run concurrently and use Simconnect or FSUIPC. I used to have a mid range computer that I knew wouldn't handle a lot of add ons, so I never tried. I ran FSX full screen with no add ons except scenery with modest to mid-high settings and hardly ever had a crash. Earlier this year I invested in a new rig that can power a small country (well, North Korea at least). Now I'm spoiled and run in windowed mode with a moving map on a second screen, Ideal Flight or Air Hauler running, a weather engine, FSXsave (auto backup), etc. I love it, but I recognize that I should expect the occasional CTD when so many programs are communicating with each other. That's a good trade off in my opinion. Oh, and don't let the XPlane crowd convince you it's any better on the other side. I spent hours with the demo last week to configure it with graphics settings that were quite modest, yet I still had a CTD about every third load, which is something I never have in FSX.

 

If you are running a clean install of FSX (no tweaks except highmemfix perhaps) in full screen mode with no simconnect programs and get frequent crashes then something is definitely wrong. You should rarely have a crash, maybe every 10-20 flights if that. If you are running with a lot of add ons or other background programs then don't blame FSX. A clean install without the add ons should fix it. Then you can add other programs one at a time to test stability. Of course, a high end computer will give you more overhead to work with.

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You WILL experience the same issues.

 

Hi Rendi, I would agree that you may experience the same with some but not with others. I guess my point is that P3D is going through code changes, FSX is not. So, moving forward if you are not interested in XPX or other civil FlightSims then P3D is a logical choice.

 

Bob

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I've been running various forms of FS for...well...years and years. If I've ever had crashes or apparently insoluble bugs I look at what I did to encourage.them.

 

Did I implement some unproven or speculative tweak in FSX.cfg? Did I fiddle with the scenery library order "on the fly"? Did I whack up the sliders way beyond what my system could handle? There are many reasons why bugs that crash FSX happen, but almost all of them are due to unproven tweaks or pushing FSX and your system beyond what it is capable of.

 

I have a pretty modest system by today's standards and my strategy for getting a smooth and acceptable frame rate and stability perhaps starts in a different way from that used by many. I never start by maximising everything and working backwards. I start with virtually no scenery, weather or mesh detail and try to achieve the highest frame rate possible, followed by conservative tweaks which give the best stability over time.

 

I then, step by step, introduce a little more detail until I see stutters, or frame rates below acceptable flying (which for me is 30 fps - any less and I start to see lack of fidelity in the flight model). So I make a final adjustment based on the aircraft and scenery loaded. It doesn't take long,

 

In 15 years there is only one product that defeated me and that was Aerosoft's Airbus X which still crashes FSX despite a lot of troubleshooting over a long period of time.

 

Rather than thinking "How much detail can I cram in without bringing my system to its knees", I do the opposite: What is the maximum frame rate I can achieve and flawless stability with sliders to the far left? In my case, on a very average system, I can hit 400 fps with the default C172. Of course that is by itself not anything stunning. It does demonstrate however that FSX can work really well if you don't push it. I then load a somewhat more demanding aircraft and observe how it handles the same settings. Then I start gradually introducing more detail and look carefully at what is going on. Are there stutters? Is scenery taking a long time to load? Are blurries evident? These are all indicators that the system is getting stressed.

 

Over three quarters of our own apparently insoluble support issues are solved by doing very basic things: Did you enable "advanced animations" (which many addons rely upon)? Did you try some bizarre tweak in fsx.cfg that you did not declare? Have you got all sorts of wierd and wonderful other tweaks going on, together with endless shader addons etc etc?. In my experience almost all "bugs" that crash FSX can be addressed by starting from simple, straightforward beginnings. Until you eliminate the exotic tweaks you cannot possibly know why FSX is not stable.

 

Sometimes the simplest thing can be overlooked in the quest for better performance. I once had a customer whose computer crashed everytime he loaded up one of the Dukes. The emails went back and forth for nearly a month. We tried everything. Then I asked one simple question: "have you checked that you DO have FSX Sp2?". The reply was..."Umm...oh...I'm not sure". Case solved.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Rob - RealAir

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Realair support is one of the best, very personal and to the point, normally ending in a fast fix and and a patch released, if only they were all released so bug free!

 

I guess there up coming 172 will be another must buy...if only they would give us a small hint as to how things are progressing....hint hint Robert, I will buy you a nice Weiss beer if you pass by my way :-)

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