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Ok, So after all the tweaking and help I could get online I have managed to get about 15fps average in well populated areas  (KMIA, KATL, etc) so I have decided to upgrade my system a bit to enjoy my T7 better!. This is what I have:

 

 

-AMD Phenom II X6 3.2mhz (not overclocked)

-GTX 260 GPU

-8 Gigs of RAM

 

I was thinking on buying either this:

 

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8511632&Sku=M69-0920

 

and add a total of 16g of ram or maybe something else you guys can suggest?

 

I originally thought of a new video card but I think my low FPS is due to lack of processing power?

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No need for 16gb of ram as you wont notice any improvement in FSX. Put the money towards a newer motherboard if your current one doesn't support AM3+ or a videocard as the GTX260 while fine in it's day isn't helping you much in FSX.

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Interjection from someone on an upgrade cycle this Fall:  has it not been generally agreed that the Intel CPU offers supoerior performance for FSX?

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Interjection from someone on an upgrade cycle this Fall:  has it not been generally agreed that the Intel CPU offers supoerior performance for FSX?

 

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Go to intel get a atleast a gtx 660, i5 with K and a motherboard that can overclock. You have to let more of your budget ! 

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I was an AMD user when I built my first computer back in 04/05. AMD 3200+, 1GB RAM, ATI 9600 Pro. Upgraded to the X850 XT Pro when it came out. I loved my AMD system, but in our current setting, everything I read constantly points to Intel. I have been an intel user since 07 with no intentions of going back. AMD isn't bad, but intel takes the lead nine times out of ten in regards to FSX.

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-AMD Phenom II X6 3.2mhz (not overclocked)

-GTX 260 GPU

-8 Gigs of RAM

 

In my opinion, anything you invest into that system is a waste of money.

 

If you are upgrading then I guess the faster CPU is probably the best option, however I have no idea if you will see any improvement.

 

As others stated, both INTEL and NVIDIA are better for FSX (regardless of the clock, yes)

 

So use those 300 towards a new PC based on Haswell i7 4770k and a GTX780 (or GTX770 if too exspensive).

Or if you dont want to spend that kind of money, see If you can buy a used PC based on i7 2600k and GTX580.

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Thanks Thomas!  Quick question though... My current processor is 3.3mgh. basically the same, unless Intel really is that much faster regardless of the clock speed?

no not really. But its a K Version it will let you do the overclock to around 4.5ghz ( i have a i52500k@4.5ghz easily)

I suggest you to save up even more and wait. 8gb of ram is enough. Remember for best bang for your $ dun go bellow the 600series card and the 700series is affordable too

I dun get it why people choose hawell? I heard it overclock badly temperature problem and all that. We are gamers why we need a i7? Basically a i5 OC can match your needs. Theres no need to waste this kind of money in an i7. 

 

Can someone explain to me please? 

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I have an I7. 3770k with an old gtx 480. My system purrs. No need for more than 8g of memory. If u get a good mobo I have the msi mpower you will be able to oc that puppy a lot.

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no not really. But its a K Version it will let you do the overclock to around 4.5ghz ( i have a i52500k@4.5ghz easily)

I suggest you to save up even more and wait. 8gb of ram is enough. Remember for best bang for your $ dun go bellow the 600series card and the 700series is affordable too

I dun get it why people choose hawell? I heard it overclock badly temperature problem and all that. We are gamers why we need a i7? Basically a i5 OC can match your needs. Theres no need to waste this kind of money in an i7. 

Can someone explain to me please?

 

Actually FSX does not work like a game.

Therefore it benefits from better hardware in ways a game does not.

 

Haswell may get hotter, but I read that an i7 4770k overclocked to 4.3Ghz is as fast as an Sandy Bridge at 4.7GHz!

So you dont have to clock that high.

You then have the newest CPU with a way faster memory controller (one of those things that helps FSX)

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Alright guys. So I completed my upgrade las night and though I'd update you on what the outcome was for those looking in to upgrading and also for those who helped me out

 

First of all thanks to all of you who posted your ideas and advise,, thanks to you now I have a pretty good system and i am enjoying my T7 way better!

 

Although I looked and looked at Intel I simply did not have the money to afford  the system I thought could take me where I wanted to be, I am convinced is the best CPU for fSX but they are expensive and I just could not make it happen this time, also, i use this PC for 2 main projects, FSX and music Production, so I do see an advantage on having multicores for music production and stuff.

 

 

Bottom line:

 

I went from this:

 

ADM Phenom II x6 3.2

GTX 260

 

to this:

 

AMD FX8350 x8 4.3 (turbo on)

GTX 650 TI

 

And this is what I was able to accomplish:

 

-My Autogen is now on Dense (Lower before upgrade)

-My AI Traffic is now %50 (10% before upgrade)

-Airport vehicles is now at %25 (%5 before upgrade)

-Scenery is maxed out (a notch lower before upgrade)

-Added aircraft shadow (was off before upgrade)

 

FPS wise I now get (using REX and PMDG 777) 30fps constant at regular  and most areas and  22 to 25FPS on my worse case scenario (JFK, ORD, etc) versus 20fps I was getting before with much worse quality selected on sliders.

 

Now If I were to keep my sliders and setting the way they were before the upgrade with this system I would get 30FPS steady, but because I had room to improve my visuals and move sliders to the right I did gain still good FPS plus quality as my sliders are really close to being Maxed out. If I was to fly a stock aircraft I could literally max everything and still get the 30fps even with REX installed and at full resolution. haven't tried but we know PMDG toys are heavy on CPU.

 

So in all honesty it is a huge improvement and recommended for those like me who can't afford a high end into solution.

 

Thanks again for chiming in and help me upgrade!

 

Danny

 

P.S: I budgeted $300 and I ended up spending $500  (CPU, MOBO and GPU) sshhhhh    don't tell the wife  :P

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Interjection from someone on an upgrade cycle this Fall:  has it not been generally agreed that the Intel CPU offers supoerior performance for FSX?

 

As an AMD user myself, and just looking at the number of Intel users complaining of bad perf on these very forums, I'd say that the emperical evidence suggests that Intel is seriously over-hyped. The only Intel system I owned in 15 years, was an Intel Core2 Duo E6700. I went all out and put a top-end nVidia 7950GX2 in there (at no small cost), and I was disappointed with the performance compared to a similar rig I built with the then top-end AMD processor, and nVidia 7900 graphics card, for half the cost.

 

Cost:Performance ratio - AMD wins all the way (and AMD systems are NOT as slow as Intel would like you to believe - as many lawsuits in the EU have shown).

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8343179.stm

 

 

 

"Intel's actions not only unfairly restricted potential competitors, but also hurt average consumers who were robbed of better products and lower prices."

 

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/dell-pays-65million-to-settle-intel-bribe-probe-8577

 

etc...

 

I get great perf with the 777, no crashes, and I'm not using snake-oil tweaks to accomplish it.

 

My rig?

 

* AMD Phenom II X4 970 BE (stock speed, 3.5 GHz)

* 8 Gb DDR3

* AMD 6750

* Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1

 

It would be classed as "low end" by today's standards, but I don't care - I get an easy 60 FPS with the 777, running FSX at 1600x1200. B)

 

Best regards,

Robin.

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You don't even need an i7. The i5 3570K will easily OC to 4.5Ghz. Get the i5 over the i7 and buy a good water cooling unit like the Corsair H100 with the money you'll save. 

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Alright guys. So I completed my upgrade las night and though I'd update you on what the outcome was for those looking in to upgrading and also for those who helped me out

 

First of all thanks to all of you who posted your ideas and advise,, thanks to you now I have a pretty good system and i am enjoying my T7 way better!

 

Although I looked and looked at Intel I simply did not have the money to afford  the system I thought could take me where I wanted to be, I am convinced is the best CPU for fSX but they are expensive and I just could not make it happen this time, also, i use this PC for 2 main projects, FSX and music Production, so I do see an advantage on having multicores for music production and stuff.

 

 

Bottom line:

 

I went from this:

 

ADM Phenom II x6 3.2

GTX 260

 

to this:

 

AMD FX8350 x8 4.3 (turbo on)

GTX 650 TI

 

And this is what I was able to accomplish:

 

-My Autogen is now on Dense (Lower before upgrade)

-My AI Traffic is now %50 (10% before upgrade)

-Airport vehicles is now at %25 (%5 before upgrade)

-Scenery is maxed out (a notch lower before upgrade)

-Added aircraft shadow (was off before upgrade)

 

FPS wise I now get (using REX and PMDG 777) 30fps constant at regular  and most areas and  22 to 25FPS on my worse case scenario (JFK, ORD, etc) versus 20fps I was getting before with much worse quality selected on sliders.

 

Now If I were to keep my sliders and setting the way they were before the upgrade with this system I would get 30FPS steady, but because I had room to improve my visuals and move sliders to the right I did gain still good FPS plus quality as my sliders are really close to being Maxed out. If I was to fly a stock aircraft I could literally max everything and still get the 30fps even with REX installed and at full resolution. haven't tried but we know PMDG toys are heavy on CPU.

 

So in all honesty it is a huge improvement and recommended for those like me who can't afford a high end into solution.

 

Thanks again for chiming in and help me upgrade!

 

Danny

 

P.S: I budgeted $300 and I ended up spending $500  (CPU, MOBO and GPU) sshhhhh    don't tell the wife   :P

Just an FYI bump that FX8350 up to 4.5ghz it helps big time! Make sure if you overclock to turn turbo off!

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Intel CPUs run circles around AMD at pretty much all price-points for non-heavily multithreaded tasks (such as FSX) even with slower clock speeds.... even more so if you overclock them.

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Just an FYI bump that FX8350 up to 4.5ghz it helps big time! Make sure if you overclock to turn turbo off!

 

 

Just an FYI bump that FX8350 up to 4.5ghz it helps big time! Make sure if you overclock to turn turbo off!

That is my plan!  :)

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