Others have touched on it already but just thought I'd through in my 2 cents here.

 

Just been reading up more on GSync and according to a number of articles it enforces a minimum refresh rate of 30Hz (Same as current 1/2 Vsync tweak). If the frame rate drops below 30 fps, the display will present duplicates of each frame.

 

So as far as FSX goes with 30FPS being considered the goal for most and most users experiencing dips below that, I don't see this actually providing much if any benefit to FSX unless your frames are at 30 or more ALL the time. And as we all know FSX is CPU limited and those drops in frames tend to come in and around a complex airport, which is exactly where we are looking for that smoothness.

 

Other titles will benefit far more than FSX as I see it.

 

Interestingly though it looks like some monitors will have a DIY GSync upgrade

The key advantage of gsync is the dynamic nature of it. The reason you get stuttering in a game has nothing to do with the fps. As counter intuitive as it sounds, the fps isnt what causes stuttering. It is the loss of sync between the screen refresh rate and the frame buffers. Even at fixed 30fps you gpu has to sync your frames with a 60htz refresh rate in most cases. Complexities in this cause the pulsing and stutrering. Gsync works by always having your refresh rate and fps in sync. So no frames are ever lost of reproduced on screen thus producing a seamless butter smooth image.

 

Having 30fps set as constant maybe acheivable for you but for me that greatly reduces the experience for me as the smoothness is completly lost.

So what are you saying? I should buy some stock in towels? :LMAO:

Lol...or AMD!

As counter intuitive as it sounds, the fps isnt what causes stuttering. It is the loss of sync between the screen refresh rate and the frame buffers. Even at fixed 30fps you gpu has to sync your frames with a 60htz refresh rate in most cases. Complexities in this cause the pulsing and stutrering. Gsync works by always having your refresh rate and fps in sync. So no frames are ever lost of reproduced on screen thus producing a seamless butter smooth image.

 

Oh I understand that, but looking at it from a purely FSX based perspective, the time where smoothness  is not always there(atleast from my past experience) is around a complex airport and frames may drop below 30. Unfortunately GSync will do nothing for you there due to the 30Hz lower limit. If you're pushing frames higher than that then absolutely it will benefit you. There are arguments for and against having FPS set to limited and unlimited but lets not go there with this discussion.

 

So far as other games go, it will provide an improvement without doubt, whether that improvement is worth the cost of upgrading a monitor remains to be seen.

 

I don't seem to have issues with tearing/stuttering on my system that I've noticed. Time will tell how beneficial this will be, however I sincerely hope they do go ahead with a so called "DIY GSync Upgrade" so that users don't necessarily need to run out and buy a completely new monitor if they want to take advantage of this.

 

I truly do hope though that this does bring a big benefit to PC gaming, any new tech improvement like this is welcome in my eyes.

Oh I understand that, but looking at it from a purely FSX based perspective, the time where smoothness  is not always there(atleast from my past experience) is around a complex airport and frames may drop below 30. Unfortunately GSync will do nothing for you there due to the 30Hz lower limit. If you're pushing frames higher than that then absolutely it will benefit you. There are arguments for and against having FPS set to limited and unlimited but lets not go there with this discussion.

 

So far as other games go, it will provide an improvement without doubt, whether that improvement is worth it for those able to push out consistently high frame rates remains to be seen.

 

I don't seem to have issues with tearing etc on my system currently for example. Time will tell how beneficial this will be, however I sincerely hope they do go ahead with a so called "DIY GSync Upgrade" so that users don't necessarily need to run out and buy a completely new monitor if they want to take advantage of this.

 

I truly do hope though that this does bring a big benefit to PC gaming, any new tech improvement like this is welcome in my eyes.

 

 

Having listened to nearly every interview available from NVidia reps over the last week I am pretty sure that this is their plan. They will release the module later this year as a way to let hard-core enthusiasts install it into their monitors. As far as I can see it will work on many more monitors than they say, because all you are doing is replacing the scalar chip. NVidia know this, but to be on the safe side they will only officially endorse models they have tested extensively themselves. One of the reps even said that they would be delighted if people tweaked the chip to work in their monitors. I also heard one say that the module chips will be limited. So I am guessing that once the monitors come out the DIY modules will stop. But that just a guess.

 

Obv the mainstream option will be to buy the monitor next year.

I totally disagree. Video cards have always been targeted towards hardcore pc gamers. You have to take the decline in PCs in context. What has caused the decline is the loss of casual users who have migrated to more accessible platforms. The hardcore gaming PC industry is booming. You just have to look at nvidias sp over the last year to see this.

The facts are that, if like me you notice stuttering and reduced smoothness below 60fps, this will solve your problem. As long as you have the hardware to push above 30 fps...which most modern hardware can do. Even on fsx.

Like you I am a sceptic, but the fact that the solution makes sense in theory, has been demoed successfully and endorsed by the top game and hardware developers, gives me confidence this is the real deal.

+1, I couldn't agree more. How do you fly, not to mention land a PMDG T7 on an iPad? Isn't this whole thread about how to get a smooth 30+ FPS when flying in FSX? I'd like to see FSX + all the goodies at 30 FPS on a tablet, never mind smooth.

 

A tablet/iPad has its place in this age of technology, serious gaming or simulation isn't it.

 

Regards,

I'm already using the Asus VG248QE which is the monitor they announced to be DIY compatible so I'm keen to try it out. If this works as good as it sounds I think this is going to be a big deal for PC gaming.

Gsync works by always having your refresh rate and fps in sync. So no frames are ever lost of reproduced on screen thus producing a seamless butter smooth image.

So what will gsync in terms of syncing frames & refresh do when frame rate drops to 18?

So what will gsync in terms of syncing frames & refresh do when frame rate drops to 18?

 

Nothing, it will have no effect. Gsync will only be effective above 30fps. It will drop back to the old system. But tbh if you are getting 18fps, without sounding rude, its maybe time you did upgrade....theres only so much software and drivers can do.

I'm already using the Asus VG248QE which is the monitor they announced to be DIY compatible so I'm keen to try it out. If this works as good as it sounds I think this is going to be a big deal for PC gaming.

 

Lol that was a good buy! but keep in mind with the diy kit it will take out all your other display ports and sound

 

 

Nothing, it will have no effect. Gsync will only be effective above 30fps. It will drop back to the old system. But tbh if you are getting 18fps, without sounding rude, its maybe time you did upgrade....theres only so much software and drivers can do.

 

I'm not sure sure if you looked at Noel's system specs, but he just upgraded and couldn't really do much better. lol

 

FSX is a strange beast and even the fastest system will drop FPS with the right combination of settings/scenery/weather/AI aircraft etc.

 

We all know that FSX will not be officially optimised any further so in my humble opinion GSync is not going to have a lot of benefit for FSX unless you are always running more than 30FPS, which can be a struggle coming into a complex busy airport even on the best system when settings are cranked.

 

P3D 2.0 will hopefully provide a performance and visual boost compared to FSX, negating this sort of issue

So what will gsync in terms of syncing frames & refresh do when frame rate drops to 18?

Suck the money out of you.

 

 

Suck the money out of you.

 

Isnt that the truth!

Suck the money out of you.

Well im sure you guys use fsx more than me. Just fron my experience I do not dip below 30fps when using weather, pmdg 777, orb x, rex, utx, gtx and a bunch of other stuff.

 

And if you look at the facts presented by nvidia and verified by people such as Carmack and sweeney, I dont see how you can dismiss this as a money making venture.

 

Surely you can see the benefit of something that produces a seamless smooth silky motion for anything above 30 fps......no?

Isnt that the truth!

Nope....I think the post by the pmdg support dude explained perfectly what this tech is capable of.

I'm not sure sure if you looked at Noel's system specs, but he just upgraded and couldn't really do much better. lol

 

FSX is a strange beast and even the fastest system will drop FPS with the right combination of settings/scenery/weather/AI aircraft etc.

 

We all know that FSX will not be officially optimised any further so in my humble opinion GSync is not going to have a lot of benefit for FSX unless you are always running more than 30FPS, which can be a struggle coming into a complex busy airport even on the best system when settings are cranked.

 

P3D 2.0 will hopefully provide a performance and visual boost compared to FSX, negating this sort of issue

 

Ill take your word on this. Im a moderate fsx simmer and although I use a whole load of taxing add ons I guess I just dont use it in the same scenarios as you guys when you get fps below 30.

Nope....I think the post by the pmdg support dude explained perfectly what this tech is capable of.

 

Still. It doesnt explain how one affords all the additional cost. What use to be a really affordable hobby has gotton out of hand. Time to pick the Stratocaster back up.

Still. It doesnt explain how one affords all the additional cost. What use to be a really affordable hobby has gotton out of hand. Time to pick the Stratocaster back up.

But this is exactly why I am so excited by this. To now the hundreds, sometimes thousands has been spent on hardware to try and gain those fps markers and a smooth experience with good graphical quality. This solution which costs a 120 pounds means I will not have to upgrade for the next 5-6 years and still enjoy gaming/simming as it should be experienced. Win win for me.

But tbh if you are getting 18fps, without sounding rude, its maybe time you did upgrade....theres only so much software and drivers can do.

No worries you don't sound rude--just unaware...

Time to pick the Stratocaster back up.

Just got one a few months ago and love it!

 

 

I don't seem to have issues with tearing/stuttering on my system that I've noticed. Time will tell how beneficial this will be, however I sincerely hope they do go ahead with a so called "DIY GSync Upgrade" so that users don't necessarily need to run out and buy a completely new monitor if they want to take advantage of this.

 

 

 

Absolutely the same for me. I see high frame rate and no stuttering at all. Except perhaps one single stutter when FSX ATC opens it's mouth. and that's at unlimited frame rate in FSX, and no external limiter. I guess I'm lucky. I don't go in for hyper detailed add-n airports which probably has something to do with it.

 

I see no tearing either, even with VSync off.

 

 

I have a BenQ 120 Hz monitor. Maybe that's something to do with it, who knows. But for me, I don't think I'll get much befit from GSync.