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I know that this question is going to start a multitude of comments from both sides, a lot of arguing and I'm sure some trolling, but I just had to ask. 

 

This is a question to PMDG. With so many developers such as Aerosoft, Majestic, FS Dreamteam, OrbX, FSinsider and many others releasing either P3D installer updates, updates to software to make them P3D compatible or migration tools, will PMDG now please rethink the idea of releasing a separate P3D versions. Having purchased a licence for the 777 for FSX, I really do not want to have to pay again to be able to move P3D if I wish. At the moment I am happy with FSX, but I know the time will come when I have to choose between a moving everything to P3D or having a complete fresh start with X-Plane.

 

Let's get ready to RUMBLE....

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Having purchased a licence for the 777 for FSX, I really do not want to have to pay again to be able to move P3D if I wish. At the moment I am happy with FSX, but I know the time will come when I have to choose between a moving everything to P3D or having a complete fresh start with X-Plane.

 

Take a look here:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/427010-multi-platform-pricing-policy-expectations-fsxp3dxplane/

 

Always have a look at the stickied threads before posting.  It helps to avoid unnecessary questions and duplicate topics.

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So we have a dumb button for all the above post. If somebody could please tell me where on the sticked post that it states,"people who purchased the FSX version of the 777 or NGX, will not have to pay for any licence.", oh sorry IT DOES NOT. 

 

What it says is;

 

"Licensing and Use:

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Unlike products developed on the Microsoft Flight Simulator X (FSX) platform, products on the P3D platform will be offered with a range of licensing options.  These options will initially include only a General Study, Education/Academic-STEM and Familiarization licensing model but will eventually expand to include licensing models to cover training, classroom training and training center/airline site license versions.

 

Customer Licensing for General and Personal Training licenses will be handled directly through PMDG's current eCommerce portal.  All other licensing options will be handled on customer-specific non-public portals.

 

Costs for licensing of P3D based products will vary based upon the license model chosen and the desired use.  This will enable PMDG customers to choose a range of cost options based upon their needs and license requirements, from Home Entertainment (using FSX) up through PMDG Certified Training Solutions customized for specific airline customers."

 

Which, if you read correctly instead of being thick and trying to put people down all the time is that the home entertainment licence will be for FSX and and you can buy a certified licence if you want, NOT a home entertainment licence for P3D.

 

No stop trying to be smart and read the sticked post yourselves !!!

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Craig:

I don't see your point, really? If you're eligible to use P3D, you will be eligible to use the 777 ON P3D. Currently, a lot of people using P3D are not eligible. It's a different kind of license, that's why it will cost money. Also, PMDG's legal counsel is on it to clearly define the scope within which the possibilities for different licenses lie. Last time I checked, those guys don't work for free. If you want to profit from the extra effort PMDG has done for it, you will have to pay for it.

Or maybe it would be better to let the future add-ons be more expensive for everyone, so a few P3D users can get their add-ons for free.... I think not.

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Craig,

 

If people find your questions....here we go again....well they can simply choose not to post...or reply to you saying "lots of threads on this mate, nothing more to add etc......While some of the subjects are flogged to death and you can search for ever for various past opinions, they are just that..in the past and maybe not so relevant these days...especially with Robert advising PMDG's thoughts and deliberations a short time ago on P3D. 

 

I think it will get down to marketing for PMDG. Presently, they make a/c for FSX. If PMDG start to re-make a 777 for example for the P3D platform, then this is maybe a long and expensive road for them, with limited returns due to the 'new' and not that popular platform of P3D/X-Plane compared to the king of the hill FSX.

 

As a programmer in a last life before retirement, it will not be simple task to convert a working 777 program designed for FSX to P3D etc as the platforms will handle the existing code very differently. I imagine the PMDG 777 has some very complicated code. I do not think a 'patch' will work?? Anyway...Presently, PMDG specialise in FSX. I think it will be very reasonable for PMDG and others to offer their 'base a/c for example FSX or what ever they have just spent countless man hours developing with an additional version for say P3D at an additional price, as this 'new platform' model maybe a very different beast under the bonnet.

 

FSX are currently better supported. One day we might all have to make a choice about swapping platforms. Thinking about this..people with lots of MS 2004 a/c and sceneries  are still asking them selves if they should go to FSX, and their main stumbling block is cost of junking their well loved and probably by now expensive software, re-buying(licensing)the same product, but developed for FSX, maybe with little gain?

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It's all in the pinned threads, PMDG have been very clear about it. They might over a discount, but your FSX license is not going to be transferable.

But yeah, I do agree, the pricing is a bit on the high side. On top of that their products will probably only work with the P3D professional license. And that is because PMDG is going to sell professional licenses themselves too. I could be wrong about this, but time will tell.

 

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You can't read 'harder'... well, unless slamming a book into your forehead repeatedly counts as such... but you can read 'better'. :Big Grin:

You know what I mean  :P

 

...Make sure the printed words rub off on your face!

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No stop trying to be smart and read the sticked post yourselves !!!

 

I did.  Seems that you didn't:

 

 


We have been asked a number of times if we will offer a discount price to users who own the FSX version of a given product. We will likely offer a special promotional pricing deal at the very beginning, but it will be limited in scope and time and it will require that you already have purchased the FSX version of a product prior to the time we announce the promotional pricing...

Disclaimer: We may not offer such a promotional offer depending upon how discussions go with our licensing partners. Releasing products on P3D is not as simple ans changing the installer path and exporting, as there are a number of limiting factors, legal restrictions, licensing requirements and other considerations that do not exist on the FSX platform.

Moving to a multiple platform development process is an expensive process- and is causing quite a bit of expansion behind the scenes at PMDG. Ultimately I am very excited about it because it means greater access to our capabilities for many of you- but it also brings us the opportunity to show the airline training community what value PMDG can bring to their training process.

 

Emphasis mine

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I did.  Seems that you didn't:

 

 

 

Emphasis mine

 

Which brings us back to the original post of asking PMDG if they will be re thinking it now that other developers have decided not to charge. If you read the date of the quoted post and the one I posted you will notice that I posted after they made this decision, as in rethinking.

 

It seems that you don't read post, just like to argue. But that's what it says on all the post you get involved in.

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Which brings us back to the original post of asking PMDG if they will be re thinking it now that other developers have decided not to charge. If you read the date of the quoted post and the one I posted you will notice that I posted after they made this decision, as in rethinking.

 

Right.  Again, refer to the quoted post above, as it states:

Releasing products on P3D is not as simple ans changing the installer path and exporting, as there are a number of limiting factors, legal restrictions, licensing requirements and other considerations that do not exist on the FSX platform.

 

It's not as simple as people are assuming, and there are the ever-present legal issues.  In my mind, that question is answered: it's a separate product, and it will be treated as such, to include pricing.  The above quote (not quoted here) also mentions that moving from FSX to P3D is an expensive process, so to expect that you'll be getting a free or heavily discounted way of migrating is a bit of wishful thinking.  Other developers offering the same installer for both products may not be doing so legally, or at least in the iron-clad way I'm guessing PMDG would like to.  Thus the complete division of the products.

 

My point would be backed up by the first paragraph of the linked post:

There seems to be some Utopian GroupThink Discussion that FSX users will be given some type of magic pass to move their product licenses over to P3D or Xplane, or that suddenly PMDG's development priorities have shifted magically with an announcement tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 


It seems that you don't read post, just like to argue. But that's what it says on all the post you get involved in.

 

I do appreciate a good debate, but I don't argue just to argue.  I argue because people are wrong.

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I do appreciate a good debate, but I don't argue just to argue.  I argue because people are wrong.

 

Yeah, your right and I'm wrong if that makes you feel better. I don't get into arguments with trolls because quite often they cannot read properly which you have just proved the point. Which as I said you do on every other post.

 

Have fun trolling !!!

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Yeah, your right and I'm wrong if that makes you feel better. I don't get into arguments with trolls because quite often they cannot read properly which you have just proved the point. Which as I said you do on every other post.

 

You asked a question.  I answered it.  Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean I'm a troll...particularly when the rest of the respondants said the same thing I did (in fewer words, as usual).

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You asked a question.  I answered it.  Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean I'm a troll...particularly when the rest of the respondants said the same thing I did (in fewer words, as usual).

 

Which again proves my point that you did not read the post. I stated "This is a question to PMDG", so unless you work for PMDG and have authority to answer this on there behalf, then the question was not for you to answer. Quoting from previous post is just speculation, when somebody questions you and states that you are incorrect, instead of saying sorry and leaving it, you make it into an argument. This is what you do all over the forum, you troll the pages looking for how you can argue, hence the term TROLL.

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Which again proves my point that you did not read the post. I stated "This is a question to PMDG", so unless you work for PMDG and have authority to answer this on there behalf, then the question was not for you to answer.

 

If you only want the question answered by PMDG themselves, why exactly do you post it in a public forum?

 

Quoting from previous post is just speculation.

 

When that post comes from Mr. Randazzo himself, you can be quite certain it doesn't concern a decision they made overnight. PMDG has probably been working on the legal issues with P3D for a VERY long time. Why do you think they would change their decision, just because some other developers decided to do things differently? RSR has very categorically stated they want to move to P3D, but ONLY under the license it provides, unlike certain other developers who seems to turn a blind eye. The license P3D provides is NOT for entertainment purposes, but for commercial purposes.

In other words, the licenses are different, the product is different, the support system is different. It is not and will not be the same product. There are certain costs involved in doing so.

And I'm terribly sorry, but I'm not willing to repay those costs with my next FSX-addon, just so you can get your P3D addon for free. If you want to use it, pay up. If not, stick with FSX.

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.And I'm terribly sorry, but I'm not willing to repay those costs with my next FSX-addon, just so you can get your P3D addon for free. If you want to use it, pay up. If not, stick with FSX.

 

Totally agree with you Thomas.

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And I'm terribly sorry, but I'm not willing to repay those costs with my next FSX-addon, just so you can get your P3D addon for free. If you want to use it, pay up. If not, stick with FSX.

 

I agree as well.

 

...however, given the supposed fact that I argue, just to argue.  I must point out that it's not grammatically correct to start a sentence with 'and,' except in certain circumstances. :P

 

Wouldn't want to disappoint, after all.

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I argue because people are wrong.

 

This just makes me think of this.  ^_^

 

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This just makes me think of this.

 

haha - I kinda thought of that when I posted that.  Alas, I mostly limit my posting to when I'm at work and have nothing else to be doing.  Still, funny.

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