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Hi I could use some help.......So I finally decided to jump into FSX from FS9 (still use it). Bought the huge new hardware 780 ti I7 4770 clocked to 4.2 16 gig 1800 ram etc so that I can have the power to run fsx......I read the avsim guide for installing and tweaking and tried following as instructed. I installed the game, ran it, shut it down installed SP1 ran it again shut it down installed sp2 and ran it again. I tweaked the cfg. Ran inspector....however the new inspector does not give me the same tweak values as an older version.....Anyway did what I could and started up the unit pretty virgin and started flying....now I like to view outside the plane and pan around but when I do this the video showing the ground tends to roll and shake as I Pan (not nice at all)....Has this happened to anyone else out there? BTW tried uninstalling and reinstalling same problem.....Thanks for all help...Happy fourth..................

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I tweaked the cfg

This is your problem. What did you tweak? The AVSIM FSX Configuration Guide says no tweaking recommended. You have a fast enough system to run FSX w/o tweaks. Most problems have occurred with the Bufferpool "tweak" and/or the Job Scheduler "tweak". If you go to the AVSIM CTD Forum you will find several members who have fixed their problems by removing these two tweaks. The AVSIM FSX Configuration Guide shows you how to fix (ground rolling and shaking as you pan or shimmering) on page 9.

 

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Sounds like a Vsynch problem.

 

Make sure Vsynch is set to "always on" in NI, or better set it to

"1/2 monitor refresh rate" and fix fps at 30 in FSX.

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Thanks for your suggestions but Firehawk I tweaked the cfg cause it says to do it in the guide pages 10-12.....Page 9 deals with install and Nvidia Inspector......unfortunately I could not access the link where people gave their inspector values....I also tried the DX10 suggestions cause I read where a lot of people like it.......One thing I did notice was that the ground rolling started after I installed sp1.................My gosh I would have thought that the problems would arise from third party software not from virgin install..........I guess I have that to look forward to as well........

 

Bert: I changed Vsynch to always on......

 

So far nothing has helped with the ground rolls when outside panning......But guys please hang in there with me to help get it corrected.....This is very complicated stuff for a game/sim..............................


Firehawk I just went back to the FSX forums with clearer eyes then I had yesterday and found your config guide on the right side of the page. It is different then the install guide I was following....I will read through that and try again and let you know what happens.....

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Thanks for your suggestions but Firehawk I tweaked the cfg cause it says to do it in the guide pages 10-12.....

The AVSIM FSX Configuration Guide has 11 total pages. Perhaps you have an older guide. The current guide is located to the right of this forum under Hot Spots.

 

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Hi I could use some help.......So I finally decided to jump into FSX from FS9 (still use it). Bought the huge new hardware 780 ti I7 4770 clocked to 4.2 16 gig 1800 ram etc so that I can have the power to run fsx......I read the avsim guide for installing and tweaking and tried following as instructed. I installed the game, ran it, shut it down installed SP1 ran it again shut it down installed sp2 and ran it again. I tweaked the cfg. Ran inspector....however the new inspector does not give me the same tweak values as an older version.....Anyway did what I could and started up the unit pretty virgin and started flying....now I like to view outside the plane and pan around but when I do this the video showing the ground tends to roll and shake as I Pan (not nice at all)....Has this happened to anyone else out there? BTW tried uninstalling and reinstalling same problem.....Thanks for all help...Happy fourth..................

 

Your first mistake was "Tweaking". Less is better, you need to get your virgin FSX running "smooth" (FPS means nothing in FSX) as possible then start adding and "maybe" tweaking. Seriously consider DX10 you won't be disappointed especially with the ""Fixer" from Steve. Some Tweaks are unavoidable, like "HGHMEMFIX=1 in FSX.cfg. Slow and deliberate is the key to FSX. Above all, "One Step at a Time".

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Agreed. Start with your basic setup with SP2. Then go to your config and add 'highmemfix=1' and if you have a widescreen monitor then change "WideViewAspect" from false to true. Then load up FSX and set your sliders to a modest setting. Then you fly and see how it runs, forget frame rates and look for smoothness.

 

Once you get that then you can start moving the sliders up.

 

There is no holy bible of FSX tweaks, there are a lot of rumours and people saying that you do this or that, but everyone has different expectations and setups.

 

If you are flying FSX with no addons then you will have no problems. Start adding land textures, HD aircraft with loads of systems, cloud texture, real world weather and all the other FSX addons, then you might need to start looking at tweaks.

 

With regards to DX10, yes it will help with VAS usage and may help with frame-rates, however it does come with it's one set of problems. The fixer is a work around for a system that was a demo version. It was Aces and Microsoft's way of testing DX10 in the flight sim platform, ready for the next outing, which never came. Steve fox takes it a step further and helps out a lot, however many developers don't support it and some airports have no lights or missing textures.

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Thanks for responses guys.....Firehawk I read your guide and applied what you wrote....Still getting bad ground roll when outside panning. Inside cockpit I can pan around no problem....Another problem I seem to have is frame rates I noticed from reading Firehawks guide that people are getting 80-100 even more fps but I got 42-58 at best with no add-ons...with a couple of test FSDream team airports KFLL flying a default 737 was getting 27 FPS...with my high end rig should I not be getting a lot more? Another noticeable problem when flying outside plane is graphic flashing......maybe this stuff is over my head. I have no problems with FS9

 

Voodoo...as I was saying I have a high end rig I7 4770k, 16gb Ram 1800  GTX 780 TI I think with 3 gb ...my cpu is clocked up as far as I can go 4.2.......I thought this setup would run full detail from the start........

 

There should be no reason why I cant this to work.......... 

 

Anyways happy fourth....mine is raining out

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I also have a 4770K... suggest setting fps locked to 30 inside FSX and leave it there.

 

Then in NI set Vsynch to 1/2 monitor refresh...  test for smoothness, not framerates.

 

If you can maintain 30 fps you are doing fine.. and do NOT run full detail.. no rig can maintain that

at busy airports - period.   Start with low traffic and weather settings!  Turn off shadows, bloom etc

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I can tell you that if you get sucked into frame rates you will go nuts chasing your tail. I get 12 - 39 fps and it is smooth as glass. FPS means absolutely nothing in FSX not even a good source of system comparison. BTW, my FPS is set to "Unlimited", everyone has different settings and tweaks, this is going to be a long journey well worth while if you heed the ground rules - 'Take it Slow, One at a Time".

 

Get it running in DX9 first then migrate to DX10. DX10 will not give better performance, just stability and great visuals.

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Hey Bert done all that ....my main problem is the ground roll when panning......most annoying.......

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You are chasing your tail keeping worrying about the same problem. FSX is a piece of software built in 2006 before quad core processors was the thing of beauty, when a graphic card was a top card with 512mb and DX11 was a twinkle in Microsoft's eye. It does not use the processor to it's full ability, it does not use graphics cards to full ability.

 

I have a i5 ivybridge clocked at 4.3gb, a GTX670 with 4gb of memory and 12gb of DDR3 memory. I can run the latest games at highest setting with smooth results, but not FSX.

 

I recently did a flight from UK2000 London Heathrow to Taxi2Gate Orlando, with the PMDG 777. During flight in REX clouds with ASN providing the weather over OrbX ground textures, I was getting 60 to 70 fps according to FSX (although FSX is not very good at reading frames). On taxi to the runway I was running about 20fps, yes I would love to have frames of 30 to 40 on taxi, but it doesn't work that way. 20fps was smooth enough to taxi and so that is what I set up to, I lowered my setting to get that.

 

If you are getting stutters at an airport then you need to lower your settings until you are smooth at that point. There is no magic fix that you can set in the cfg.

 

There is however, a new program that is said to help by FSPS called Fibre Accelerator which may help you.

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And one more thing to worry about. FSX is a 32bit program and as such has a 4GB memory limit if you are running a 64bit operating system. This is not affected by the amount of memory installed in your system. Do a search for VAS memory and you will find out more.

 

Basically the more you push FSX with textures, the more VAS you use, the closer to this limit you come. Hit the 4GB limit and you get an 'Out Of Memory' error and a crash.

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Wow FS9 is so much easier.....anyway with enough uninstalls and reinstalls I finally with the help of the configure guide got rid of the ground rolls....I still get some stutters and very bad Frame rates even though I am not at all max sliders. I also notice some flashing in ground scenery (FSDT KDFW) when I fly over it. I also notice now when I am outside the plane that it is weirdly stretched like your looking at it through a glass. Does this make sense to anyone?

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What's your graphics card?  I'm running my 2700K at 5 ghz with water cooling - and with the NGX and Orbx software, REX weather textures and Opera running the weather, it's quite smooth with no tweaks in the cfg...I have a Radeon 5700 graphics card.


Note- even my rig won't run complicated add-on  airports without the sim becoming a slide show...

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Your completely right, FS9 was a lot easier, all sliders to the right and off you fly. FSX was a work in progress that got cancelled, fortunately people have been working of fixes and workrounds ever since.

 

Flashing ground textures can occur if you are running DX10, some airports don't work with DX10. the other thing can be if you have 'poolsize=0'.

 

The biggest framerate killer is AI traffic and weather, however you will never get top airports smooth with top aircrafts.

 

The fisheye effect is your zoom setting in the view. Set this to 100 and you will not have a problem. Take a look at EZdok, it makes setting up views a doddle.

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Dreadnought I run a Nvidia GTX 780 Ti with 3 gb mem.................my cpu is watercooled....

 

Voodoo How do you set the zoom setting to 100? Where do you find this? Also what is EZdok? Lastly I notice now (depending on how graphic intensive the scenery is) that I am running a fairly smooth 30FPS (This is what I have it set at) but I am now getting jerks...it would run fine for a few seconds jerk then run again.....Any clues on this????? I may have to go back to FS9 (this is getting rediculous and not fun) plus I have more sceneries there. But if I do the sad part is that I wasted a lot of cash in this hi end rig for FSX

 

Thanks for your help

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Hey Bert been there and done that still looks off.......that said I also posted that while flying the picture tends to jerk......your flying smooth then it will jerk (frame rate gets hit) for a split second and then it rights itself again  then it will jerk again...this ever happen to you or anyone else reading this.........

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Check for other programs that are running on your system... could be AV,  or stupid things like Google Updater or Java preload etc..

 

If this only happens when you are close to major airports / urban centers, lower traffic values, starting with freeway traffic = 0.

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OK. First off EZDok is an add-on that allows you to over ride the preset views. You can set your own views inside and outside the cockpit. You can the assign keyboard or joystick buttons to the views. As you press the buttons, you get smooth motion from one view to another. You can also add camera shake to which ever views you decided, This can be changed to suit different aircraft. Google it or check out you tube for videos.

 

Second stutters, many stutters. Stutters can be caused by a few things;

 

1. Background programs running. Download a free program called CCleaner. In that program you can set programs that run at startup. Some programs run in the background that you don't know about.

2. Antivirus, if you can set it to game mode. Try uninstalling it and running FSX without it to check this one.

3. Corrupt shader cache. This is set the first time you fly, however it is changed slightly everytime you fly to try and make it better. Sometime FSX screws up and makes it worse, especially when you change things in the config. On windows 7 you can find these in the Appdata/local/Microsoft/FSX folder I think. You will probably have two folders, Shaders and Shaders10. Delete these and let FSX rebuild them on your next load.

4. Too high detail settings. FSX is not the best optimised software. When loading textures the frame rates drop. Sudden drops and FSX freezes until it can catch up. Unfortunately this is FSX. P3D is supposed to be better.

5. CPU core parking. This you will have to google as it is quite complicated.

 

Now I am going to tell you about a new program. I am going to tell you this, however I cannot in recommend it after having to reinstall my complete computer after using the trial, but you need to read about it and make your own choice.

 

The program is called Fibre Accelerator, by a company called FSPS. You will have to research it yourself as I explained my problems to warn other users and got told off. Sometimes being helpful gets you in the bad books.

 

And yes I miss FS2004. If I could get the new aircraft on FS2004, I would gladly go back. P3D looks nice but after just paying for the PMDG 777 for FSX and being told that I would have to pay again for a P3D version stops me. X-Plane 10 looks good with 64bit and better flight dynamics, but the lack of developer support holds me back on that.

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Are you sure your NI settings are OK? I have a similar system to you and stuttering is not something you should have. A virgin FSX with only the HIGHMEM fix and NI settings that include 1/2 refresh sync rate and FSX frame limiter set at 30 should produce a very smooth experience using default FSX aircraft. Even with this relatively powerful system, it won't be perfectly smooth with PMDG's NGX and a detailed airport. I recently had to format/reinstall my sons PC after he did who knows what to it and the difference that the NI settings made to his FSX with regards fluidity with the 30 FPS setting and NI 1/2 frame rate vSync setting was night and day.

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Thanks to all for suggestions sorry for responding late I'm battling kidney stones no fun...I will look to my game again when I can actually enjoy it.................

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