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Marc has done it again :). With the latest FSMeteo release wind changes are smoother and overcast is handled better. I just took my first flight after updating and have to say the difference is impressive and worthy of moving the version number from 6 to 7. What is also neat is if you are getting the high resolution winds aloft they include winds over the Pacific and Atlantic ocean. Registered FSMeteo users should be getting an email with the update.Zane

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Zane,I'm still waiting for Marc to contact me. Is v7 a free upgrade? If not how much is he asking?When you say wind changes are smoother do you mean he's addressed the bug in FS9 where the wind would change rapidly from one direction to another? If so, then Pete Dowson overcame that problem in FSUIPC (registered version).Cheers,

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Hi Ray,The upgrade is free to anyone who purchased their original copy after Oct 31, 2003, otherwise you need to purchase at the upgrade price. Marc will email you with the email you originally registered with. FSMeteo has utilized Pete's fix within FSUIPC in the earlier versions as well as this one for the bug. I just found weather transitions in general to be smoother with version 7. Excited to do some more flying and see how well the overcast is now working.Zane

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Hi,Do you still get the stuttering when FSMeteo is updating the weather in FS9?Thanks.

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Pete Dowson overcame that problem in FSUIPC not quite, it was simply an attempt to minimize the radical shifting, it still occurs it is just done more slowly. At altitude you will still see 180 degree changes, but over about 10-15 seconds vs 2-3 seconds. Still, this does help quite a bit and I take my hat off to Pete.

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>Do you still get the stuttering when FSMeteo is updating the>weather in FS9?Unfortunately yes, but it is lessened in this update (it seems to take a little longer so I think the rate is changed to lessen the CPU load). Before I definitely knew when FSMeteo was updating the weather, now I'll notice a stutter and check, sometimes its from the weather updating but other times not.Zane

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Hi Zane,I've now received my invitation from Marc to upgrade to v7 for 18USD. I questioned whether there were enough improvements over v6.4 to justify upgrading. I've spent more on FSMeteo and upgrades than any other program except FS itself. It seesm that whilst he will provide a free upgrade to relatively new users (within last 12 months) he won't for those long-standing customers. I think it would be no bad thing that if you have paid for at least 2 upgrades you got one free.I'm not a cheap-skate but I wonder whether there are enough improvements to justify upgrading to v7. Even the interface has not changed. Sometimes you should do that just to keep the product up-to-date visually.I also suggested he consider providing a forum where members could discuss the product. His is the only commercial product I own that does not have a support forum.One question ... the lack of a proper overcast has frustrated me for some time now. Does v7 provide one and if so could you please provide a screenshot. The ones on Marc's site didn't convince me.Thanks,

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I also have received an invitation to purchase the new upgrade, but I don't think I will do this.First of all, I am now pretty satisfied with active sky.Second, I have purchased FSmeteo 5, and then FSMeteo 6, which never worked well.Now, I don't want to purchase another upgrade - so blindly againThe total price for just one program will be too much - for me

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Hi Ray,I understand where you are coming from on paying for a third upgrade, on the other hand Marc puts a lot of work into the programming and $18 is still less than I pay for annual weather overlays for real flight planning. I had also suggested to Marc that he should try to have a forum, the problem is this is not Marc's primary job and he doensn't have the time to man a forum as well.The overcast by definition was good in earlier versions, the problem was when you would climb through haze and/or cloud layers and get above them you suddenly found yourself flying in clear weather... didn't make sense. It is the "undercast" or I should say flying above haze or a cloud layer that wasn't being handled correctly. Part of this is a fault in Microsoft's weather engine. Active Sky has gone to great lengths to make it look right and so far what I have seen flying in FSMeteo 7.0 is also improved. I have included screenshots to prove it.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/109680.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/109681.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/109682.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/109683.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/109684.jpgHope these give a better picture for you,Zane

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I agree. I've owned FSMeteo since the beginning but the time has come to part company. No more upgrades. I already have too much invested in that progeam as it is. I've moved over to ActiveSky and am a much happier flyer.Doug

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I think I'll be standing pat with 6.4. The wind smoothness is overcomeable with FSUIPC. I can't see enough difference in features to justify another 20 bucks.

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Hi Zane,Thank you very much for providing those pictures. I do agree that the disappearing cloud when viewed from above is very annoying but as that appears to be the only improvement from v6.4 that interests me I don't feel inclined to upgrade.Also, I think a new version of FS will arrive within 12 months and that will no doubt require yet another version of FSMeteo for which a further charge will possibly be made. The default FS9 weather isn't that bad and I think we'll see a big improvement in the next version of FS which may negate the need for a independent weather program.Marc could always request a presence on AvSim's forums. Daily attendance would probably not be necessary as fellow users could assist. Alternatively SimFlight has a number of support forums where Marc could reside. I suspect that because English is not his first language he isn't inclined to go down that route.Enjoy v7 with that nice aircraft!Cheers,

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Likewise. Sorry, Marc.The market is big enough for Marc, in my view, that once the program is paid for once, that should be it. For example, I've been using Tony D'Ambrosio's gauges since Day One and his updates remain free to those who have registered once. There are many new simmers coming into the game that would likely go for FSMeteo if older hands such as us continue to recommend it. If he made revolutionary changes, well that might be different, but minor upgrades can't really justify such a cost in my view.All will have different views, but that's mine. Probably, because I've had my FSMeteo more than a year and don't get the free upgrade, LOL. So much for loyalty, boo hoo.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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Like others, FSMeteo's upgrade costs put me off. I am using ActiveSky now and I'm very happy with it.Dave Blevins

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Same here. I have had FSMeteo from the beginning (whenever that was) but converted to ActiveSky about a year ago. With ActiveSky setting a very brisk pace Marc may have his work cut out to stay in the weather program race.Bruceb

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Thanks for piping in Uwe,I just made a flight into the Los Angeles basin and the handling of the haze there is much improved. It never ceases to amaze me how it is expected that once a program is purchased that all upgrades should be provided for free. How many of you get paid for a job the first time it's done but provide unlimited free support thereafter? The prices charged up front as well as paid for updates in the FS world are a mere pittance compared to real life program support let alone real world flying. My total investment into simming (and I've got quite a bit of stuff) wouldn't pay for much more than few hours worth of real flying. I consider it a real value and appreciate the effort that good developers put into their products. If one of those good developers asks for a fee for their upgrade I see it as incentive for them to keep on developing a better product.Just my two cents worth,Zane

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Zane,<>It does happen. I bought FS Flight Keeper v2.0 and shortly after the author released v2.5 which included a lot of extra functionality. He did not charge for this upgrade.Project Magenta software which is admittedly expensive provides free updates for the forseeable future.I looked at the cost of buying FS Meteo for a first-time buyer and it is 29 Euros. The upgrade costs 18 Euros. For the differences that v7 provides I consider 18 Euros to be way over the top. Sorry, but that's just the way I feel about it. You and Uwe appear to be in a minority with your decision to buy this upgrade and clearly others feel the same as me about Marc's pricing policy.Cheers,

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>>It does happen. I bought FS Flight Keeper v2.0 and shortly>after the author released v2.5 which included a lot of extra>functionality. He did not charge for this upgrade.>>You and Uwe appear to be in a minority with your decision to>buy this upgrade and clearly others feel the same as me about>Marc's pricing policy.>>Cheers,Well said RayAnthonyUK

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Zane,If you're a loyal customer, that's fine. However, the idea that updates must cost money to justify the labor is not always the case.Take the competing weather product ActiveSky 2004. Users were required to purchase this if they already owned ActiveSky Wx because it was a totally new product for FS2004. Once that purchase was made, every update since (and there have been plenty) were issued for free.I think this is why many users are posting that it's not worth it to pay for an incremental upgrade.Marc has the right to charge what the market can bear, but with the competition Marc has, he may want to rethink his pricing strategy or risk losing customers.Bruce

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Zane said zanily:"It never ceases to amaze me how it is expected that once a program is purchased that all upgrades should be provided for free." I agree. Not all upgrades need to be, nor necessarily, should be free. But many of us have already done a paid upgraded to FSMeteo in the last 6-18 months and simply aren't going to do it again. I don't think anyone is asking for unlimited support but the this "new" version does not, IMNHSO, warrant paying another "upgrade" fee.Doug

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Hi,on the simmarket page I read:"This upgrade is required only for customers that purchased a FSMETEO license previous to 31-October-2003."So if you upgraded to version 6 in the last 6-18 months the upgrade to 7.0 should be free, or at least reduced in price?

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You're quite right Uwe. Sometimes I don't count so well. But since I bought mine on 2 Sept. 2003 even my poor math skills won't change my mind :-).Doug

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