Peltier is the best way to really get a CPU cool ... but boy do they release A LOT of heat and you really need a separate PSU to run them.  I prefer water cooling because it keeps the PC quiet and is relatively easy to implement.

 

If an game/sim scales more than one core, it should scale X cores, it would not make sense for developers to cap the threading to just 6 cores when more are available.  So more cores will always help when it comes to P3D ... however I agree the main synchronization thread is the key to bringing it all together.  But CPU efficiency isn't entirely about clock cycles ... it's about how much it can it get done is those clock cycles ... be it cache efficiency, DDR4 efficiency, chipset efficiency, overall latency, etc. etc.

 

So no one with one yet using it with P3D?

 

Cheers, Rob.

I think spreading the load out too much will cause some problems with P3D as well. Sure they advertise that it could use 256 cores, but how much terrain loading can you really offload before the overhead of spreading it out over X amount of cores becomes a performance hit? It's like trying to have 4 people screw in a light bulb, sure you can do it but adding more doesn't always equate to better performance.

 

Curious to know what that CPU count is but haven't really had time to test my theory too much.

Yeah, more cores means more synchronization which means more processing on the main thread.  However I doubt 8 cores would make much difference ... 64 cores maybe, 256 core for sure, but 4-16 I can't see that over stressing the main synchronization thread.

 

Anyway, looking forward to results from those with this setup.

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

I've got a 5960x, X99 board, and quad channel 16GB of DDR4 (2133) clocked at 4.5GHz turbo 4 cores and 4.4GHz turbo 8 cores (HT disabled).  Haven't had time to test in P3D yet but I expect average FPS to be down a bit compared to the 4.8GHz 4770k this setup replaces.

 

Please let us know as soon as you do test.

 

Cheers, Rob.

The 5820 is slightly faster with 1 core, but I will have 5 terrain threads, compared to 3 at the moment.

 

 

I agree with your reasoning. That is the main reason why, 4 years ago, I went with the AMD Phenom II hexacore. So I could set other add-ons to run on the extra cores. (ie, weather, ai traffic, etc.) Currently, I have P3D using 5 cores, and the Majestic Q400 set to use the 6th core. It does a really nice job. I have been waiting for Intel to get their butts in gear and put out an eight core. Unfortunately, the 5960x isn't going to cut the mustard. At 140w TDP, heat will be an issue, me thinks. I'm willing to bet that the second generation eight cores will kick some butt.

 

   Jazz

I was going over these tests here: http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Core-i7-5960X-vs-4960X-Performance-Comparison-588/page2

 

Couple of things that peaked my interest:

 

1.  They were only testing X99 DDR4 at 2133Mhz (which is very low for this chipset, typical is 2800Mhz or higher)

2.  The CineBench R15 OpenGL results were VERY encouraging given only 3.0-3.5 Ghz - this is measure CPU/GPU performance with focus on GPU

 

If the 5960X can be OC'd to reliable and safe 4.4-4.6Ghz on water it'll be clear performance advantage IMHO.  Needs to be paired with some good RAM.

 

I'm waiting for ASUS to come out with their "black edition" X99 based motherboard ... it's going to take a rev or two for them to sort out motherboard optimizations and cooling.

 

Cheers, Rob.

This is the motherboard I'll settle on if there is no "Black Edition": http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132262&cm_re=asus_x99_rampage_V_extreme-_-13-132-262-_-Product

 

But as you can see, supports up to DDR4 3300Mhz quad channel which is considerably better than the 2133Mhz lowest default.

 

Here are my CineR15 results for GPU and CPU ... I'm running at 4.6Ghz on my 3960X with 142 fps GPU score and 1190 CPU score while the 5960X is only at 3.5Ghz with a 159 fps GPU score and 1394 CPU score.  The CPU score looks good for the 5960x with a 17% increase (even at only 3.5Ghz) over my 4.6 Ghz 3960X.

 

So clearly the 59xxX series Haswell-E CPUs seem to be a lot more efficient that my juiced up 3960X as the GPU performance is 12% higher even when the CPU is only at 3.5 Ghz (which is a 31% lower CPU frequency).

 

 

 

Now I realize this is OpenGL but it's version 4.x OpenGL which is on par with DX11 API in terms of features/performance.  But if one can get the 5960X to OC well and the RAM timings setup to run 3300Mhz I would expect an impressive performance gain.

 

Still want to see what folks report for actual P3D performance, but if my calcs are correct, you should be seeing (clock for clock) a significant increase in performance (relative to my CPU anyway).

 

Cheers, Rob.

Here you have a test from asus nordic.

A CPU like this gone be hard to find.

http://bit.ly/VTMLTt

 

 

A CPU like this gone be hard to find.

 

CPU can be found anywhere (NewEgg, etc. etc.) ... I think you mean getting it to run at 5Ghz will be a challenge?  I think a peltier (thermoelectric) with water cooling wouldn't have a problem doing 5Ghz ... especially an Asus motherboard with a ROG unit (by far the best OC setups I've seen/used).

 

I like that CPU score, almost double my 3960X -- which is very promising.  Would love to see how that translates into P3D performance.

 

Cheers, Rob.

Here I have my 5820k perfectly stable at 4.5 GHz with HT enabled.

Probably I will be able to reach 4.6-4.7 GHz.

Without HT it might run even 100 mhz higher.

Temps at full load below 55 degrees Celcius.

 

Just tested with 1 monitor in P3Dv2.3 with NL2000v4 installed and their heavy EHAM / MT 3D at 30% / HDR on / 40% car traffic and ag + sc at extremely.

Framerate 40+.

With NE lights still 28+ .

 

Also did a test with FTX Global / LC / Vector  above Amsterdam without nL2000 and still 40+ fps.

Outside large cities with all detail 70-120 fps with Unlimited.

 

Just 1 Titan without SLI . 

Here I have my 5820k perfectly stable at 4.5 GHz with HT enabled.

 

Good to hear and thanks for posting, any chance we can get more details on your graphics settings in P3D?

 

Cheers, Rob.

If anyone is interested these are the units I plan to use to do all my water cooling chores:

 

http://koolance.com/exc-800-portable-800W-recirculating-chiller

 

and

 

http://koolance.com/cpu-380i-processor-water-block

 

and a 3 of these

 

http://koolance.com/video-card-vga-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-water-block-vid-nxttn2

 

(if a X99 chipset water cooler becomes available before year end I'll include one)

 

I like this route because the actual cooling unit is external and runs on separate power, including condenser (refrigerant) so water temps can be reduced below ambient - 800 Watts of cooling at 77 F is more than enough.

 

I'll start working on this setup towards holiday season ... who knows, maybe nVidia will actually release a driver for P3D by then (the long wait).

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

Here I have my 5820k perfectly stable at 4.5 GHz with HT enabled.

Probably I will be able to reach 4.6-4.7 GHz.

 

Hi, thanks for sharing.

I was wondering what CPU did you have before and how would you rate your performance gain.

I have an aging i2700k OC to 4.9Ghz, and I'm thinking of upgrading but the sole purpose for upgrade is to get better yet and more fluid performance on Preper3d.

I recently upgraded my video from 680 to 780Ti for my main cockpit view on 3 monitors in NVSurround and improvement was worth every penny, now time to think about the CPU.

 

Thanks

Andy

@Rob : I took your high graphics settings as a starting base and made some minor changes. Tomorrow I will get back to you.

 

@ Andy : before I had a [email protected] Ghz with 2 Titans and NVSurround ( 3x 32" --> 5920x1080 )

 

The [email protected] might deliver just 10-15% more fps but it has 6 cores. For the tests I did not use the AM tweak, but will try with 4095.

I finally settled for P3D after upgrading the hardware. Reinstalling FSX with its 400+ entries for EU only did not seem right.

Also my Ifly is in a P3D version and as I have the Cockpit Builders Edition which is also working with P3D the choice was made very easily.

I have NL 2000 installed with Schiphol. Because this version of Schiphol uses the default FSX runways the nightlighting is working great.

If anyone is interested these are the units I plan to use to do all my water cooling chores:

 

http://koolance.com/exc-800-portable-800W-recirculating-chiller

 

and

 

http://koolance.com/cpu-380i-processor-water-block

 

and a 3 of these

 

http://koolance.com/video-card-vga-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-water-block-vid-nxttn2

 

(if a X99 chipset water cooler becomes available before year end I'll include one)

 

I like this route because the actual cooling unit is external and runs on separate power, including condenser (refrigerant) so water temps can be reduced below ambient - 800 Watts of cooling at 77 F is more than enough.

 

I'll start working on this setup towards holiday season ... who knows, maybe nVidia will actually release a driver for P3D by then (the long wait).

 

Cheers, Rob.

Now we talking , much better than the peltier. System.

 

Run a similar system and have a SS if a need -40c

 

 

Tomorrow I will get back to you.

 

Awesome, thank you!

 

 

 

Now we talking , much better than the peltier.

 

Agree, more flexible and easier to manage, no motherboard prep.

 

Cheers, Rob.

Today I had not much time to test.

However I tried several NVI P3D profiles I found on the IN.

 

At the end I settled for no NVI and in P3D : FXAA + MSAA 4x + AF 16x .

That looks nice on the single 32" monitor which I am testing with.

No changes to the cfg file .

 

AI 40% ( My Traffic 3D )

Tesselation and HDR

Clouds shadows on at max

Object shadows off

AG buildings max

AG trees dense

Sc Comp max

Car traffic 30%

Framerate Unkimited

 

Clouds default + Oscar clouds v4

 

Client pc : ASN

With an overcast +'3 extra layers just a loss of 5%

 

I am waiting for F1 Tech to help me setting me up my Ifly 737 NG Cockpit Builders Edition.

This might still take several days.

 

One final note. I can run P3D very detailed with a good franerate, even with Night Environment level 3 at Schiphol with AI set to 50% . However , when panning around after several minutes I am getting an OOM...

Autogen one notch below max and that is solved.

The pc can take this load regarding the framerate, but the 4gb limit is the issue.