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FOLKS I think Carenado has risen to a new level

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I have every Carenado aircraft, fs2004 and all but maybe 3 of fsx.  Bought the Seneca a little while back with to be honest at first disappointmented. BUT THIS...have had it 30 minutes, have not even flown it..it has numerous 2d pop-ups that will completely surprise you.  I am getting 30fps and that is a very good sign. I installed the RXPGNS530 from THERE setup available in the aircraft file. Under Carenado in fsx there is plenty of documentation. BUT THE GRAPHICS ARE UNREAL..FAR BETTER THEN ANYTHING THEY HAVE DONE. I OWN ALL the A2a products, All of Captain sim products, Aerosoft Twin otter, All Alabeo products and this is VERY Very impressive. NOT worried about the list of fixits to come. I am a VERY meticulous artist, THIS ONE SHOWS A LOT OF LOVE, ATTENTION AND CARE.......

 

Thanks Guys.....Thanks so much          Keith

 

Intel I5 processor, Nvidia GTX 645OEM, 16GB ram, Ch yoke, CH Throttle, CH Pedals, Saitek TPM, Elite Avionics, and all the best fsx goodies.

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Well, the big question I have is how much does the autopilot work.  In particular, IAS mode.  There are other concerns but that would be the show stopper on this airplane.

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Seems some simply judge on aesthetics and not function. I too am more interested in the system functionality and flight dynamics.

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Well, the big question I have is how much does the autopilot work.  In particular, IAS mode.  There are other concerns but that would be the show stopper on this airplane.

 

The PC-12 doesn't have an IAS hold mode if I am not mistaken.

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You are right. The PC-12 doesn't have an auto throttle. That is what i was thinking of. My mistake. Is it possible to replace the lower radar with the RXP WX500?

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p.s being positive on this one. Took a 1 hour flight with an ILS landing AP seems to be functioning fine EXCEPT the altitude set wasn't working....my wireless mouse wheel needed a spec of oil.. fixed it...

Started Chemo with a uncurable cancer at the VA last week and almost bit the dust. SOOOO.....started this with a positive light..   Easy to get tired of being a non volunteer beta tester....gracious   keith

 

one more thing the backup altimeter is in 100, 1000, 10,000's was a little perplexed for a while

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I was having so much trouble with my mouse wheel that I was beginning to think I was experiencing a flaw. A spec of WD-40 proved that somewhat wrong, but it was a busy 1 hour flight testing the AP the whole time.  Do not have the IAS airspeed concept completely understood in that it is with pitch that speed is adjusted. What happens in straight and level, etcc..... on and on.. NOT SURE. YET. but it seems,,,SEEMS to work flawlessly to me so far.  As I thought truly by first impressions that if I was Carenado and missed so much on the Seneca with so many customers THIS being the issue..( ARE YOU GOING TO START PUMPING THESE OUT AND WE ARE THE BETA TESTERS ) ???   that I could see right away ( doing this for over 20 yrs ) that it was a labor of Love..SOUNDS wow!! it is a FULL and functional plane. So much to it. and little things, window shades shut like captain sim..DOOR MANAGER WORKS!!!  Now only Pilatus Real pilots are going to catch engine parimeters etc..

Keith

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The PC-12 doesn't have an IAS hold mode if I am not mistaken.

 

It definitely does.  (all models).    I have flown on PC-12s of all ages in ID for a week.  

 

All have IAS mode  (as in, they will adjust pitch to maintain the speed, for a given power level).

 

Carenado have never provided IAS mode (sometimes they comically use the autothrottle IAS mode, as they did in their SR22!!), so I wouldn't expect it to be working in this plane.

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Carenado have never provided IAS mode (sometimes they comically use the autothrottle IAS mode, as they did in their SR22!!), so I wouldn't expect it to be working in this plane.

 

Ugh...they should just use elevator trim. 

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NOT USING the IAS but everything else. IFR flight real time, real weather Kapv to KSBA Santa Barbara. 16,0000 ele. Landing conditions 1/4 mile fog 200 ft ceiling.  Excellent landing. SOOOoo all the autopilot works quite well. I did not use the IAS yet as it would be my last test.. total 2 hours flying time. Tested the IAS 10min after buying that night, seemed functional but not enough time yet.

With EZ dok camera and all the other goodies it was a VERY good experience. This is going to get some hours for sure.  It is not agitating or, well its ok I will eventually use it, no this one is fun!!

keith

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I've just seen a report on another forum that the IAS mode on the Carenado PC-12's autopilot here, is (once again) wrongly using the FSX Autothrottle.

 

There's no autothrottle on a PC-12   :P

 

So best just to use VS for climbing and descending........ not at all realistic for climbing, but better than activating an imaginary authothrottle to manage speed in the climb/descent.

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the phenom was the last carenado product i purchased, and i am free of thier spells with aweome looking models and plane choices, only to be riddled with sloppy coding and the need for service packs with every project they do.

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I've just seen a report on another forum that the IAS mode on the Carenado PC-12's autopilot here, is (once again) wrongly using the FSX Autothrottle.

 

There's no autothrottle on a PC-12   :P

 

So best just to use VS for climbing and descending........ not at all realistic for climbing, but better than activating an imaginary authothrottle to manage speed in the climb/descent.

 

Just to update that having bought the plane now, the IAS is properly functional.   It does not use the FSX Autothrottle (as the SR22 did), it correctly adjusts pitch to maintain aircraft speed.  There is one issue with it;  when IAS is engaged, the aircraft always moves to a vertical speed of 500 FPM, before it will correctly adjust pitch to maintain the airspeed when the IAS button was pressed.    Shame about this "going to 500 FPM first" bug as, other than this, the IAS mode is very effective at adjusting pitch to maintain speed.            Good job Carenado. 

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Just to update that having bought the plane now, the IAS is properly functional. It does not use the FSX Autothrottle (as the SR22 did), it correctly adjusts pitch to maintain aircraft speed. There is one issue with it; when IAS is engaged, the aircraft always moves to a vertical speed of 500 FPM, before it will correctly adjust pitch to maintain the airspeed when the IAS button was pressed. Shame about this "going to 500 FPM first" bug as, other than this, the IAS mode is very effective at adjusting pitch to maintain speed. Good job Carenado.

 

Is that both up and down?  E.g. If you select an airspeed above your current speed, does it default to 500 FPM down? 

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Is that both up and down?  E.g. If you select an airspeed above your current speed, does it default to 500 FPM down? 

 

Well there is no way to select airspeeds as it were Gregg (which is true to life of the real unit).  With the KMC321 autopilot in the PC-12, the IAS mode just holds the speed that you were at when it was activated. There is no gauge showing the selected speed.   However you can make small adjustments by pressing the 'Nose Up' and 'Nose Down' buttons*  But there's no numeric indication of the speed.

 

But in answer to your question, yes it does this 'snap to 500 fpm first' bug in both directions.   So let's say you're in VS mode and the speed is 150, and you press IAS, the VS will always go to +500 FPM just for a split second, then it will revert to the correct VS that maintains 150.   (and adjust it dynamically to maintain 150).

 

.....and when doing this in the descent, similarly it will fleetingly (but annoyingly) 'snap' to -500 fpm before it then moves to the correct pitch that then maintains the speed very accurately.

 

I suspect there's a little error in their code for their new IAS mode that is starting the pitch calculation at +/- 500 FPM for some reason;   rather than at the VS at the time of IAS engagement.

 

 

*these are wrongly reversed in the Carenado; so pressing 'nose down' puts the nose up and decreases selected speed, and selecting 'nose up' lowers the nose and increases speed ....... you gotta' love Carenado huh!  :lol: 

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*these are wrongly reversed in the Carenado; so pressing 'nose down' puts the nose up and decreases selected speed, and selecting 'nose up' lowers the nose and increases speed ....... you gotta' love Carenado huh! :lol:

 

Sounds like they're using the trim as a 'speed dial'  Down=lower speed, Up=higher speed.  In an airplane with a shared speed dial, like the Q400, it would make perfect sense.

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However you can make small adjustments by pressing the 'Nose Up' and 'Nose Down' buttons*  But there's no numeric indication of the speed.

 

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*these are wrongly reversed in the Carenado; so pressing 'nose down' puts the nose up and decreases selected speed, and selecting 'nose up' lowers the nose and increases speed ....... you gotta' love Carenado huh!  :lol: 

 

Not sure.. the rocker switch, I believe is "IAS up and IAS down", not "nose up or nose down"..

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Not sure.. the rocker switch, I believe is "IAS up and IAS down", not "nose up or nose down"..

 

Looks like it's written on the front of the yoke...somebody unhide it. :)

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Not sure.. the rocker switch, I believe is "IAS up and IAS down", not "nose up or nose down"..

 

Ah good point, possibly.    That would be a pretty unusual convention where controlling the Vertical Speed with those buttons would be concerned, but yes that would make sense.

PS.... Gregg - I hope Bert won't mind me sharing that he's completed some fantastic mods now that really increase the realism with the KMC321 autopilot, and it's IAS mode.    Eg.. IAS can now be engaged while 'Alt Arm' in engaged (as per real aircraft), so you get level-off when using IAS, not just VS, as per the real unit.   

 

And as of today, IAS mode can now be used with just the Flight Director engaged; another real world feature.   :smile:

 

Now if he can crack the bug where IAS mode momentarily selects 500 fpm in all cases (before the correct value), then I'll be nominating him to replace Elizabeth II as Head of State of Canada   :wink:

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Just got word from Carenado that they "intentionally set 500 fpm" as the starting point for their IAS controller.. not quite sure where that leaves us.. but you might let them know that starting with the current VS at time of IAS engagement would be more realistic  ^_^

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Just got word from Carenado that they "intentionally set 500 fpm" as the starting point for their IAS controller.. not quite sure where that leaves us.. but you might let them know that starting with the current VS at time of IAS engagement would be more realistic  ^_^

 

Interesting.  There's no logic to that AP behaviour at all.   There's never a scenario where you'd want a 'default' initial VS associated with an IAS Pitch Hold mode.      It's a little like setting Heading Select and the aircraft always rotating to Heading 090 before it goes to the selected heading  :lol:   ......... never mind, we are where we are;   you've still achieved some fantastic improvements to the autopilot here Bert.  I'm not sure I would be flying the aircraft if it weren't for the realism improvements and features you've put in there. So thanks.  B) 

 

Bert, do you have a better email contact for Carenado, or do you just go through their main support channel? .... Drop me a PM or Email if you do, and I'll petition them too on this, and send them some reference material on it.    

 

Of course it may be that they have not yet developed how to initiate the IAS mode at a dynamic, changeable (current) value - so had to opt for using a default value.   Even So, I would say 1000 or 1500fpm would work better than 500 fpm.

 

- IAS mode is typically engaged early in the climb (after clean up), where vertical speed values will still be high; typically 1700-2200 feet per min).

 

Cheers,

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Just got word from Carenado that they "intentionally set 500 fpm" as the starting point for their IAS controller.. not quite sure where that leaves us.. but you might let them know that starting with the current VS at time of IAS engagement would be more realistic ^_^

 

Interesting...perhaps they are using VS to do the IAS.  I think Craig is right that starting from the current pitch would be the better choice.  Given the way you set it in this aircraft, reading the value from FSX (think it's offset 0578) would make it smoother.

 

Gregg 

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Interesting...perhaps they are using VS to do the IAS.  I think Craig is right that starting from the current pitch would be the better choice.  Given the way you set it in this aircraft, reading the value from FSX (think it's offset 0578) would make it smoother.

 

Gregg 

 

Gregg, they are using pitch..

 

Bert, do you have a better email contact for Carenado, or do you just go through their main support channel? .... Drop me a PM or Email if you do, and I'll petition them too on this, and send them some reference material on it.    

 

 

 

 

"support at carenado dot com"  will get your information to the right people.

 

I have already asked for this, but if you can back up the request with real world facts / material, that will certainly help!

Just got word from Carenado that they "intentionally set 500 fpm" as the starting point for their IAS controller.. not quite sure where that leaves us.. but you might let them know that starting with the current VS at time of IAS engagement would be more realistic  ^_^

 

Maybe the better wording would be to start with "current pitch"

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