I also experienced this with one of my PCs... but again, Win 10 TP is "beta' software.  I expect these type issues will be resolved when Win 10 goes to General Availability on 29 July.  But again, with the millions of possible hardware/software configurations in the PC world today, there are sure 

 

Doug  I dont have an option to update windows 10 in os - how are you getting latest builds - thanks

 

click the option for Preview builds - the change button is grayed out can do nothing

Tried reg change - release but that did not work either

No you will not have to buy another copy it will transfer to another computer if you have a w7 version that does install on new builds that is why I bought a full oem version right from Microsoft so I didnt have this problem as I did buy a cheap version and it was only good on one pc - my new version allows me to load anytime I want as log as it is only on one machine - not knowing what version you have I dont know in your case - then again maybe with windows 10 if you jump on board maybe you could be all set - you will have to search for specifics - I know I am covered

 

Ok, not absolutely sure I understand what you mean here but a bit more clarification.  If you buy an OEM (System Builder) version of Windows and install it on a new machine you've built, that license is tied to that specific PC and cannot be installed on another.  In effect, that PC "owns" the license.  That is the point of OEM versions.  If, instead, you purchase a retail (not OEM) Windows version, you can install that version on any PC you desire as long as it is the only PC with that license.  In effect, you own the license but it is only valid for use on a single PC at a time.

 

I realize this can get a bit convoluted, and that's understandable.  Hope it helps clarify.

Doug  I dont have an option to update windows 10 in os - how are you getting latest builds - thanks

 

click the option for Preview builds - the change button is grayed out can do nothing

Tried reg change - release but that did not work either

 

Ok, a couple of things:

 

1. Are you a registered user in the Windows Insider program?

2. Are you logged into your current PC (with the Windows TP version installed) using your Microsoft Account credentials?

3. Are your Windows Update options set for the "Fast" ring?

 

I believe the recent changes Microsoft made to the Windows Insider program restricts future build releases (until RTM and GA) to only those who are authenticated with a Microsoft Account.

Ok, not absolutely

 

you purchase a retail (not OEM) Windows version,

 

Yes I have this version as I just built a new system so I know it works - any ideas how I can get the latest build - I cant get updates to work - that would be much appreciated - thanks Doug

 

I am getting this error but cant find an answer to fix it - tried various reg edits

 

fbl_impressive Professional 10158 - Error 0x80246017

I am getting this error but cant find an answer to fix it - tried various reg edits

 

fbl_impressive Professional 10158 - Error 0x80246017

 

Hey Rich - It appears you are seeing the latest build (contrary to your earlier post) so I guess you've solved that problem.

 

As for the specific error... that type of error (haven't researched the error code) is likely caused by a driver issue, either with the MB or one of your attached devices.  One of the first recommendations is to do a "clean" boot (booting with only Microsoft drivers) and removing all USB devices (except those for the mouse and keyboard, if used) and try the new build update again.  If it still fails, you can research the error code on the Windows 10 Insider forums to see what others are experiencing.  If it just won't work, you could always do a clean install, which has always worked in my case.  But, unfortunately, you would have to reinstalled all your apps.

 

 

Just to clarify, Brett... your initial install will be the actual upgrade to Windows 10 over the top of your currently installed Genuine Windows 7/8 installation.  It is only after that has completed that you can then (once you have access to the ISO from Microsoft) perform a clean install.  The initial update that you must do first is what establishes the "key" in the Microsoft Store that marries your hardware configuration with your Microsoft Account.  Once that "key" exists in the store you can then perform clean installs on that specific PC as many times as you like going forward.  You will not need a key to type in during subsequent clean installs on that PC as Microsoft will verify the hardware configuration and your Microsoft Account each time and authenticate the install behind the scenes.

How do you know a Microsoft Account is needed? I know MS is pushing their little online service as much as they can, but AFAIK there's still an option to use Windows as a regular "user", or "local account" as they call it. I don't see the point of having to "log in" to an OS using an online service... That just seems terrible. I don't use their 'app' store and whatever else uses this account.

How do you know a Microsoft Account is needed? I know MS is pushing their little online service as much as they can, but AFAIK there's still an option to use Windows as a regular "user", or "local account" as they call it. I don't see the point of having to "log in" to an OS using an online service... That just seems terrible. I don't use their 'app' store and whatever else uses this account.

 

This only applies to individuals who want to participate in the Windows Insider program.  If you want to keep playing with preview builds, you need to be using your Microsoft Account.  That's Microsoft's new policy for Windows Insiders. 

 

When it comes to the General Availability version released on 29 July, you will be able to create a login without using your Microsoft Account, but somewhere along the install/registration process you will need to associate your Windows 10 version with your Microsoft Account in order to establish the "key" I was talking about earlier.  Once established, that PC will "own" it's encrypted key in the Microsoft cloud (in this case, the Microsoft Store).  You don't ever need to use the Microsoft Store, but that is where the "key" is stored.  Of course, where it is stored is irrelevant... it will be somewhere accessible whenever you attempt a clean install on that same PC down the road.

This only 

 

Hi Doug just got it installed what a relief - I used Microsoft Mr. fixit to fix windows component update and it worked - thank you

 

To add buying my retail w7 ultimate direct from Microsoft seems like it was well worth it as this account stuff is covered

Great to hear, Rich.  Windows 10 is real nice so far... very happy to see the Windows 8/8.1 UI replaced with a  more Windows 7 like interface.

 

And, the joystick disconnect issues that came along with Windows 8/8.1 are now history, which should greatly improve the simming experience for many.

Yup seems pretty nice - I would assume a fresh final install will be great - thanks for the help buddy

Thanks for the clarification Doug. The point I was tying to raise, not vey successfully is that I have the Retail version of W7 i.e. I own the licence so I can transfer the OS to any upgrade or new machine as you said.

 

However if I take up the free upgrade to Windows 10 sometime in the next 12 months then my PC details are logged with Microsoft and I can install/reinstall Windows 10 on my current PC as often as I like. But if I upgrade say in 18 months with a new Motherboard and processor (i.e. after the free upgrade offer to W10 has finished) then I have the choice of either reinstalling my Retail copy of Windows 7 and going back to the earlier OS or to continue to use Windows 10 then I will need to purchase either an upgrade or full version of Windows 10.

 

I would very much like to be proven wrong.

 

Regards

Phil

Regards

Phil

 

Are you asking or telling ? from what Doug has stated with your version same as mine you should be able to use windows 10 no purchase needed

Thanks for the clarification Doug. The point I was tying to raise, not vey successfully is that I have the Retail version of W7 i.e. I own the licence so I can transfer the OS to any upgrade or new machine as you said.

 

However if I take up the free upgrade to Windows 10 sometime in the next 12 months then my PC details are logged with Microsoft and I can install/reinstall Windows 10 on my current PC as often as I like. But if I upgrade say in 18 months with a new Motherboard and processor (i.e. after the free upgrade offer to W10 has finished) then I have the choice of either reinstalling my Retail copy of Windows 7 and going back to the earlier OS or to continue to use Windows 10 then I will need to purchase either an upgrade or full version of Windows 10.

 

I would very much like to be proven wrong.

 

Regards

Phil

 

Ha!  This stuff is always so interesting to me since it has so many angles.  Let me try and wade into this one a bit...

 

If you have a full retail version of Windows and you use that version of Windows as proof to upgrade to a newer version, the retail license you originally purchased is "consumed" by the upgrade and your new license on record is the now upgrade license key, not the original retail version key.  The retail version key can no longer be used since it was used to qualify your PC to upgrade to the later Windows version (usually at less cost than a pure full retail license would have been).  So, to be clear, if you used your retail version on a specific PC, then got rid of the PC (no longer in use) and installed that retail version on another PC, no worries, perfectly fine.  The instant you use that retail version to qualify you for an upgrade (and this applies to the free upgrade to Windows 10) the retail key is no longer viable.

 

I assume your statement (that starts with "But if I upgrade say in 18 months...") implies that you already upgraded that PC to Windows 10 (which originally had your retail Win7 license) and then added a new MB and processor at the 18 month mark.  At that point you have a PC w/o an OS, and it will no longer validate against the Windows 10 "key" stored at Microsoft since you changed major components.  If you wanted to stay with Windows 10, you'd simply call the number Microsoft gives you when authentication fails and they will authorize the new PC configuration against your originally stored Windows 10 key.  No need to purchase an upgrade or full Windows 10 version.  I've never heard of anyone being turned down when they make this call.  I don't believe you'd be able to reinstall your original retail Windows 7 license since it was consumed by your upgrade to Windows 10.

 

By the way, I don't work for Microsoft, I just use and enjoy their products, and have for many years.  I'm a bit of a tech enthusiast and read through a lot of tech journalism on a daily basis.  Much of what I glean comes from Paul Thurrott and Mary Joe Foley, both tech journalists that focus primarily on Microsoft.  I have been wrong on numerous occasions, and could be here as well.  But I believe I have the facts right in this case.

windows build 10158 came out yesturday with 10159 you can get now through windows 10 windows update

Thanks Doug you understood what I was asking and answered my point.

After an upgrade the renewal of the key is in the lap of the Gods aka  Microsoft.

 

Phil

What I'm wondering now is what happens if you have a pre-built computer (e.g., a laptop) that originally came with W7/W8. What happens if you want to do a factory restore on it? Will it restore 10 or the original?