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What weather generator does the best job of depicting weather conditions?

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After trying EFASS and FSrealWX, I've come to the conclusion that nothing really works well for XPX. However if I have to make a choice between them, I would most likely go with FSRealWX.

 

For now Im just using XPX default weather generator, and if I feel like flying through a storm, I fire up P3D and ASN.

 

Have a nice day :-)

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The weather generation in X plane does not look good to me.

 

This what I did yesterday. I used FSrealwx on both Fsx and X plane @PAJN .

 

 X plane shows no clouds but rain or snow.   Fsx shows both clouds and rain / snow. I can't say anything about turbulence as I never ever got it in X plane.  Crosswind yes.

 

But which sim is being close to the real weather is beyond me.

 

Just for the clouds and weather I have not been using X plane so back to Fsx till they resolve it , but I don't think the weather is gonna be rectified like a few other important stuff. 

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Yep, there certainly is lots to complain about in terms of XP's weather handling.

 

FSRealWX would be my recommendation - less functionality but less hassle with registration.

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Just for the clouds and weather I have not been using X plane so back to Fsx till they resolve it , but I don't think the weather is gonna be rectified like a few other important stuff. 

 

Indeed, weather is a major realism factor in any flight simulator.

Regarding graphics and flight dynamics XP10 is already ahead from FSX/P3D, IMO. Being already 64-bit it's a very mature flight sim engine.

 

IMO again, it's now time for LR to work on things that are major showstoppers for people migrating to XP10, like weather, ATC and (generic?) airport buildings. Help them stick with XP and not fall back to their previous flightsim software. Help X-Plane itself break through and lead the way instead of following.

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X plane shows no clouds but rain or snow.   Fsx shows both clouds and rain / snow. I can't say anything about turbulence as I never ever got it in X plane.  Crosswind yes.

 

Yep, same here. No matter what I set the weather to, it never matches what I choose, e.g. If I want to practice instrument approaches in bad weather, I set low cloud, low visibility, but I never get that. Sometimes clear blue skies with rain or snow, or the cloud ceiling is at 8000ft when I set it at 100, etc.. I don't know if it's Skymaxx Pro doing it, but it seems others who don't use it also have the same problem.

 

 

 


it's now time for LR to work on things that are major showstoppers for people migrating to XP10, like weather, ATC and (generic?) airport buildings. Help them stick with XP and not fall back to their previous flightsim software

 

I hear this all to often unfortunately, people are going back to FSX/P3D because these things don't work properly. Maybe we'll see revamped weather and ATC in XP11, but by then, maybe it it will be too late

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I can't say anything about turbulence as I never ever got it in X plane

 

It's the exact same for me. With real world weather I never get any turbulence. With P3D and ASN you do get buffered around when flying through clouds. 

I love the feel of XPX, but the lack of weather and AI are the reason why I still have P3D on my hard drive.

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I love the feel of XPX, but the lack of weather and AI are the reason why I still have P3D on my hard drive.

 

I would have to agree. Thanks everyone for your comments. Not very encouraging but what can you do?

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XP10 is still a mess, worst purchase of my sim life.  There's snowfall but no snow textures, weather and atc is still broken in 2015, etc. etc. Stay with FSX or P3Dv2

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There's snowfall but no snow textures,

 

It's just been announced in an interview with one of the X-Plane devs that this is finally get worked on. Fingers crossed they also look at the weather and ATC.

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XP10 is still a mess, worst purchase of my sim life.

 

With all due respect, I can not agree with this statement.

 

I have only a month using XP10, coming from over 10 years of FSX experience and over €1000 of payware stuff alone.

XP10 is far from being a mess. In many important ways I find it way better than FSX/P3D2.

 

I agree however that NOW is the time for LR to put effort to the factors you mention, weather/seasons, ATC, airports, so that new X-Plane customers are not disappointed like you are.

Yes, maybe weather/seasons, ATC, airports are less important than, say, flight dynamics, BUT in the end they seem to be important enough to customers, and without customers X-Plane does not have any future.

 

The recent 50% sales was a very good move to the right direction. Now that the sim is at this very good overal shape as an engine, I think it's time to get it refined, polished.

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Than what is FSX ?  please elaborate.

 

Please don't turn this thread into a flame war

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Please don't turn this thread into a flame war

 

 

NOT ME NOT ME :ph34r:

I will try the test tonight again lets see what it shows up.

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XP10 is still a mess, worst purchase of my sim life.  There's snowfall but no snow textures, weather and atc is still broken in 2015, etc. etc. Stay with FSX or P3Dv2

David,

           I own all of the sims and I fly all of the sims I own. They all have their strong points and weaknesses. If it wasn't for the abundance of third party addons, the Microsoft simulators wouldn't be any better than X-Plane out of the box. I'm for any sim that gives me a high immersion factor.

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Here is shot I just took @PAJN using FSrealWX , I was lucky that the crashed HDD is still working so I could run X plane.

 

The WX is Cumulus OCast @15k  Broken @13k. (not that I understand all that)

 

Will try now in FSX using FSrealWx.

 

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Same area in Fsx again using FSrealWX.  Now the difference is almost NIL.

 

 What I see in FSX is a better cloud rendering. In XPX the default clouds were just flat you know what I mean.

 

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In terms of straight out of the box, XP10 is waaay ahead of FSX (ATC apart...). For example I installed FSX-SE the other day and took a quick flight. To be honest even with the sliders all the way up, the default scenery looked like a giant pigeon had evacuated its bowels all over southern Scotland. FTX Global hides a multitude of sins but it's still a blurry, pop-uppy mess. Thanks to 3rd-party weather engines, FSX clouds can look half decent but I still prefer the X-Plane default puffs.

 

My go-to X-Plane weather is generally EFASS, which I also use for art controls out of convenience instead of RTH.

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 the default scenery looked like a giant pigeon had evacuated its bowels all over southern Scotland.

 

Haha so true.  all poo at times.

 

But I really like HDE V2 in FSX.

 

But when I see the "Few Cumulus" in X plane and compare it in real life they match perfectly.

 

EFASS for me it's too bloated , it's like my smartphone all bloatware.  Need a simple quick weather injector.

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It's just been announced in an interview with one of the X-Plane devs that this is finally get worked on. Fingers crossed they also look at the weather and ATC.

 

Which interview Tony? And yes, SMP might be borking your weather even further. I've noticed recently its cloud placement is pretty basic and unfortunately I'm getting more convincing results with default clouds...

 

As for turbulence, FSRealWX adds it pretty well IIRC, and I think there's a check box for automatically adding it in clouds...?

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Which interview Tony? And yes, SMP might be borking your weather even further. I've noticed recently its cloud placement is pretty basic and unfortunately I'm getting more convincing results with default clouds...

 

This one here, in German, but understandable with Google Translate http://forum.avsim.net/topic/460940-german-interview-with-phillip-m%C3%BCnzel-includes-some-news-about-coming-features/

 

I had a feeling it might be SMP, as I used to be able to set low vis and it worked fine. I hope they fix this at some point as it's difficult to fly with the default clouds now

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Take screenshots of your "clouds seen" vs your "cloud settings" and report the issue.

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The other day, We had a big snow storm here in NY. High winds, snow, horrible visibility. Not weather any sane person would fly in.  

 

I used real weather in X-plane 10 that night and had the same poor visibility, high winds, snow falling (no snow textures on ground) and lots of turbulence at different altitudes. Not to bad. Very close to what I would expect and next to impossible to fly in.  The wind was so strong, the Baron I was flying way being pushed sideways on the taxiway. I was somewhat impressed and thought it was better than I had in FSX.

 

Yea, it could be better, but I guess Im not as picky as most.

 

Rob

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I think we are getting a bit pushy with XPX.

 

I did a small test flight before leaving for work at Juneau.

 

I used FSrealWX. Now I can not interpret weather except a couple of things.

 

FSrealwx METAR says

 

Clouds : Overcast at 200ft.

 

So I checked the weather menu in XPX.

 

PAJN elev 19ft .  Clouds base 220  ft.  and tops at 2200ft.

 

So my thinking is that at least  the injected weather is showing up correctly.

 

Yes there are weather conditions which do surprise me in XPX like a naked rain where there is rain but no clouds or just few cumulus.

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So I checked the weather menu in XPX.
 
PAJN elev 19ft .  Clouds base 220  ft.  and tops at 2200ft.
 
So my thinking is that at least  the injected weather is showing up correctly.

 

My issue is that the cloud base, tops and visibility aren't being shown correctly. If a METAR is reporting a cloud base of 500ft and rain, then this is generally what I'd expect to see (Even the ATIS agrees, so X-Plane must be reading it), but it's often not the case. Whether or not it is SMP or something wrong in X-Plane or my settings I don't know. The weather in X-Plane I think needs more options, at present it only has 3 cloud layers, so maybe if they improve this in future releases, we'll see some really powerful weather injectors.

 

Also, I'm presuming the AGL inside the weather settings is referring to "feet above ground level" and not "meters". Either way, I try both and it makes no difference.

 

 

 


Take screenshots of your "clouds seen" vs your "cloud settings" and report the issue.

 

Thanks Ben, I'll post a bug report over at x-pilot. 

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