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Hello can anyone help me with finding a new gaming laptop pretty please? Kyle?Ryan Maziarz? There are thousands  of you and I know we have some PC geniuses amoung us!
 
Hello there guys, My birthday is coming up and Im in the market for a new *gaming laptop 15 inch* and I hope you can offer some expertise. Im in London and im stuck between getting the new  alienware 15, the cyber power pc 15 or the

pc-specialist 15 inch http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/octane-15/
 
Im gonna use - and + to share my thoughts so far, please feel free to recommend options, forget the price for now, I just need help seeing whats out there (Remember Im in the UK)
 
I need help finding beast processor (up to 4ghz w/boost), best gpu (nvidia gtx 980m or higher) and monster screen (4K resolution). So far, alienware fails with a processor only maxing at 3.5ghz with boost and is (-)the most expensive option (+)BUT it has a 4K screen but then again (-) their nvida gtx 980m is only 4GB (Ive seen 8 GB models out there) but (+) their graphics amplifier looks nice. Warranty up to three years (for extra amount) ~ £2,850 for what I want
 
 
Cyber power PC has all I want in terms of CPU and GPU but fails in terms of screen resolution. They have a standard 1080p when What I want is 4K. Also their support seems pretty poor only offering a 1 year warranty (for all that money) and asking me to pay for laptop insurance from a thrid party company against theft/accidents/fire. ~£2,765 for what I want

https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Xplorer_Xtreme_X5_Gaming_Laptop
 
 
Pc specialist so far is looking like the best option satisfying my CPU requirements, GPU requirements AND a 4K screen. Also, they include a 3 year warrant already with the price but you can pay a bit more for "premium support". Out of all three, this is the most affordable too. The only drawback I can see here is that I have never heard of them until today and their exterior seems quite plain but at least there is a multi coloured backlit keyboard.Please not I also picked an antivirus, office student and two hard drives (1 TB SATA) and 240 SSD.   ~£2,573 for what I want
 
 
 
Any thoughts? Also please remember 15.6 inches only and a company that ships affordably to the UK
I am very mobile so a desktop is out of the question

The reason why I want all that power is because I barely come in contact with consoles becaus of my mobility and I do everything on my PC for once Im willing to pay a bit more to make running games/applications a piece of cake


Thanks


Valesius Faulkner
 
 
 
 
 

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I use Prepa3d most of the time anyway tho thanks

Either way you'll still never run it at 4K.

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Either way you'll still never run it at 4K.

 

Remember Im considering this as an investment for minimum 4 years but as  for as long as I can keep it alive. Although not many games are optimised for 4K NOW, there is a growing number of games that are and will support it. Remember back when people laughed at the idea of a 3.0 ghz laptop, saying its stupid? Well we got 4.0 ghz and some machines out there are so powerful they  are basically folding desktops

 

Now, my thoughts are divided on these:

4K ?(I know its still young, but I need something to challenge apple's retina

 

16 VS 32 GB?:   32gb is within my budget but is it worth it? I dont want to pay for something i will nerver need, not even in the future

 

2MSata SSD drives vs just one? (I can afford a single 500GB 200 SSD OR a double setup with one lower end 120gb and another lower end 240gb

 

 

Cooling pad? it costs £26 pounds extra I have had serious heating issues with my current dell insporon 15r se

 

thoughts?

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Remember Im considering this as an investment for minimum 4 years but as  for as long as I can keep it alive. Although not many games are optimised for 4K NOW, there is a growing number of games that are and will support it. Remember back when people laughed at the idea of a 3.0 ghz laptop, saying its stupid? Well we got 4.0 ghz and some machines out there are so powerful they  are basically folding desktops

 

Now, my thoughts are divided on these:

4K ?(I know its still young, but I need something to challenge apple's retina

 

16 VS 32 GB?:   32gb is within my budget but is it worth it? I dont want to pay for something i will nerver need, not even in the future

 

2MSata SSD drives vs just one? (I can afford a single 500GB 200 SSD OR a double setup with one lower end 120gb and another lower end 240gb

 

 

Cooling pad? it costs £26 pounds extra I have had serious heating issues with my current dell insporon 15r se

 

thoughts?

Doesn't matter FSX and P3D are based off a 9 year old platform that is terribly optimised. If the latest games can't be run in 4K, there is practically zero chance a 9 year old game will. Unless LM make extreme changes to P3D (like 64 bit but nothing guarantees this will be the major fix), even a GTX Titan Black would struggle with FSX on 4K.

 

As I said before, for hardware advice go to the hardware forums (that's what they're for), not a developers support forums.

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Doesn't matter FSX and P3D are based off a 9 year old platform that is terribly optimised. If the latest games can't be run in 4K, there is practically zero chance a 9 year old game will. Unless LM make extreme changes to P3D (like 64 bit but nothing guarantees this will be the major fix), even a GTX Titan Black would struggle with FSX on 4K.

 

As I said before, for hardware advice go to the hardware forums (that's what they're for), not a developers support forums.

Ok I did some asking and called a developer friend and was recommended to invest in 4K as in 2+ years it will be as mainstream as DVD. Anyway I posted on hardware forum, now we wait... I just gotta decide on 16gb or 32gb ram next

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Ok I did some asking and called a developer friend and was recommended to invest in 4K as in 2+ years it will be as mainstream as DVD. Anyway I posted on hardware forum, now we wait... I just gotta decide on 16gb or 32gb ram next

If you're using it solely for P3D or FSX, don't bother with 4K, extra money for no use. If you're going to play a lot of other games and keep up with the latest games, then the choice is yours. 16GB of RAM is more than enough. Unless you're doing hardcore video/photo editing and running heaps of applications, 32GB will be pointless.

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I hear what you're saying about 4k resolution, sure it's nice and will become more popular in the following years. However I don't think any laptop that you can buy today will be capable of running current games in 4k let alone games that will release in 2 years.

 

To get 4k running smoothly (>30fps) on a desktop machine requires some serious clout, you'd need to be running two GTX 980 cards (or AMD equivalent). No laptop graphics chip compete with one GTX 980 let alone two.

 

4k really comes into its own on larger screens, I question whether you'd see much benefit over 1080p on a relatively small 15" laptop screen. Unless you have a need for 4k outside of gaming e.g image editing, I'd save some money and go for a good quailty 1080p screen.

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I hear what you're saying about 4k resolution, sure it's nice and will become more popular in the following years. However I don't think any laptop that you can buy today will be capable of running current games in 4k let alone games that will release in 2 years.

 

To get 4k running smoothly (>30fps) on a desktop machine requires some serious clout, you'd need to be running two GTX 980 cards (or AMD equivalent). No laptop graphics chip compete with one GTX 980 let alone two.

 

4k really comes into its own on larger screens, I question whether you'd see much benefit over 1080p on a relatively small 15" laptop screen. Unless you have a need for 4k outside of gaming e.g image editing, I'd save some money and go for a good quailty 1080p screen.

Not to mention the latency on some 4K screens is crazy. Only the ridiculously expensive monitors (external) have 4K + good gaming latency. I doubt any laptop monitor would have low latency.

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Not to mention the latency on some 4K screens is crazy. Only the ridiculously expensive monitors (external) have 4K + good gaming latency. I doubt any laptop monitor would have low latency.

Good news gettin 4k now (yes!) but will obviously run most games at 1080 -3k but i have an external gpu dock lined up will just hook it to my laptop later when i'll need to :)

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Good news gettin 4k now (yes!) but will obviously run most games at 1080 -3k but i have an external gpu dock lined up will just hook it to my laptop later when i'll need to :)

What do you mean by external gpu dock?

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            Sorry,but I don't think laptops are a good choice for FSX/P3D X-Plane use.

Laptops are not very flexible, (only RAM can be upgraded).

             With a desktop, over time, a complete new machine can be built by replacing or upgrading components.There will always be a better graphics card,faster RAM and better processors that can be retro-fitted (even it it means a new motherboard).

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            Sorry,but I don't think laptops are a good choice for FSX/P3D X-Plane use.

Laptops are not very flexible, (only RAM can be upgraded).

             With a desktop, over time, a complete new machine can be built by replacing or upgrading components.There will always be a better graphics card,faster RAM and better processors that can be retro-fitted (even it it means a new motherboard).

While I can't argue with upgrade-ability, there is nothing wrong with using a laptop for FSX/P3D. Many people use them, myself included and Kyle does as well!

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Get more ram, the more the better. Currently P3D doesnt use it but if X-Plane is a standard on memory usage with 64bit you need 16gb now with the new UHD Mesh and with the increased visibility comming, it will double easily.  So 32gb is not as much as it used to be.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris Roberts

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Get more ram, the more the better. Currently P3D doesnt use it but if X-Plane is a standard on memory usage with 64bit you need 16gb now with the new UHD Mesh and with the increased visibility comming, it will double easily.  So 32gb is not as much as it used to be.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris Roberts

VAS =/= RAM 

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VAS =/= RAM 

 

which is correct , but that doesnt make anything i said less true.  The moment you open the bottleneck, you will see meshes and other scenery increase profoundly. All i said, was that if someone thinks about the future, its not a bad idea to look at a flightsim that already is 64bit: X-Plane. And there you can see in the last years a constant increase in RAM use, First HD-Mesh, then V2, then V3 and now UHD mesh.  Of course noone knows the future but if you contemplate about buying a 2k laptop that lasts a while its not a bad idea to go max. I got 8gb on my pc 5 years ago when everybody said 4gb is overkill. now its bare standard.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris Roberts

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What do you mean by external gpu dock?

a connector that allows you to plug GPUs in to add to the laptop, basically turning your setup into SLI. Dont need it now tho

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which is correct , but that doesnt make anything i said less true.  The moment you open the bottleneck, you will see meshes and other scenery increase profoundly. All i said, was that if someone thinks about the future, its not a bad idea to look at a flightsim that already is 64bit: X-Plane. And there you can see in the last years a constant increase in RAM use, First HD-Mesh, then V2, then V3 and now UHD mesh.  Of course noone knows the future but if you contemplate about buying a 2k laptop that lasts a while its not a bad idea to go max. I got 8gb on my pc 5 years ago when everybody said 4gb is overkill. now its bare standard.

 

Cheers,

 

Chris Roberts

8GB is still more than enough for today, and 16GB even more so. Even with 64 bit programs. Try running photoshop, lightroom, every office app and any other 64bit application on your laptop and see what your ram use is. I can bet you it'll be well below 16GB and probably below 8GB.

 

Either way, the amount of RAM being used isn't the issue with FSX/P3D at the moment, it's the size of address space that they can use. Going 64bit will increase the VAS, but it won't blow ram use out past 16GB. 32GB is overkill, even on a laptop planned to last 4-5 years. My laptop is 4 years old. Only has 4GB ram, yet I can run FSX with no OOMs and plenty of addons (777, ORBX, addon scenery etc), I can run photoshop and lightroom simultaneously with no crashes or getting anywhere near 4GB used.

 

 

a connector that allows you to plug GPUs in to add to the laptop, basically turning your setup into SLI. Dont need it now tho

Interesting never heard of one of these! Can you post a link to one? How does that work with FSX which doesn't use SLI?

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8GB is still more than enough for today, and 16GB even more so. Even with 64 bit programs. Try running photoshop, lightroom, every office app and any other 64bit application on your laptop and see what your ram use is. I can bet you it'll be well below 16GB and probably below 8GB.

 

Either way, the amount of RAM being used isn't the issue with FSX/P3D at the moment, it's the size of address space that they can use. Going 64bit will increase the VAS, but it won't blow ram use out past 16GB. 32GB is overkill, even on a laptop planned to last 4-5 years. My laptop is 4 years old. Only has 4GB ram, yet I can run FSX with no OOMs and plenty of addons (777, ORBX, addon scenery etc), I can run photoshop and lightroom simultaneously with no crashes or getting anywhere near 4GB used.

 

 
Interesting never heard of one of these! Can you post a link to one? How does that work with FSX which doesn't use SLI?

 

They're mostly used by people with a single GPU that want to add more GPUs They're not that common yet, but have been popular for those wanting to explore 4K gaming at 100fps

 

http://www.banggood.com/EXP-GDC-Laptop-External-PCI-E-Graphics-Card-p-934367.html

 

 
Interesting never heard of one of these! Can you post a link to one? How does that work with FSX which doesn't use SLI?

 

check this video

 

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            Sorry,but I don't think laptops are a good choice for FSX/P3D X-Plane use.

Laptops are not very flexible, (only RAM can be upgraded).         

I disagree, on my Asus G73 I run PMDG 737/777, ASN. UTEurope, payware airports, rex textures, clouds set to 2048, TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=4096, FS2crew, TrackIR...etc. I do online flying & I never had an OOM. I'm very satisfied with the performance. I also use my laptop for DCS World with high settings ^_^

To the OP go for 17'' or higher!

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If got a One K56-5N with a 4x4.0 GHZ Intel 4940K desktop CPU, a geforce GTX980M and 16BG Ram (that i upgraded to 20 recently). My laptop also supports up to 4 harddrives (i have 2 build in.. one 250GB SSD and a 500 hybrid) and that for 2030€. The cooling is awesome and while you are only surfing the web, you dont even hear the laptop. It has no DVD however (but i actually never used one on my old One K56-3N). It has no 4K resolution but i heard there might be an upgrade later on this year. My 56-5N is a 15" laptop but you can get a 17" (i think its called K73-5N) for about the same price and specs.

 

 

 

 


Sorry,but I don't think laptops are a good choice for FSX/P3D X-Plane use.
Laptops are not very flexible, (only RAM can be upgraded).
             With a desktop, over time, a complete new machine can be built by replacing or upgrading components.There will always be a better graphics card,faster RAM and better processors that can be retro-fitted (even it it means a new motherboard).

 

and that is absolutely not true. it was a few years ago maybe, but we are at a point where the gap between a normal PC and a laptop is very small. I can upgrade everything in my laptop (CPU,RAM,Harddisks,GPU,..). Of course, for a higher price.. but then, some need the advantage of a laptop to be mobile and you pay for that. I use only laptops for more than 10 years already and with my systems, i never had problems with FSX or P3D or X-Plane or DCS World and i play most of those games with an Oculus Rift nowadays (which requires stable FPS and so on and so on)

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