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Carenado Hawker 850XP or........wait?

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I love Flight simming, I really enjoy complex and well designed aircraft for FSX. I have for example the PMDG 777, NGX and the A2A 182 Skylane, amongst others. I would LOVE to have a bizjet in my hangar but....it just seems that those who don't like Carenado, really don't like them and those that do range from ok to happy with their purchases. I am not interested in the Eaglesoft Citation X, its too outdated in its graphics.

Do i get the Carenado Hawker knowing its systems are not of the same level as A2A and PMDG and be satisfied with an airplane thats ok in comparison to the others, or do i wait for the next Eaglesoft bizjet to come out?

Leonard

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Eaglesoft is not sitting on our hands. The in progress CX3.0 total model/graphic rebuild is likely to fit your and others needs.

It will have to wait until completion of our current XLS+ project with training level PL21 that works out of the box.

No guesswork involved..buy and fly. B)

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Eaglesoft is not sitting on our hands. The in progress CX3.0 total model/graphic rebuild is likely to fit your and others needs.

It will have to wait until completion of our current XLS+ project with training level PL21 that works out of the box.

No guesswork involved..buy and fly. B)

Can you give us a timeframe for the xls? Is it in beta and possible release by the summer?

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Summer release is not possible. Alpha tests on external model/textures are in process and early shots are available on our new Facebook page if interested.

Just check Eaglesoft Flight Simulation and like us if you do. B)

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Summer release is not possible. Alpha tests on external model/textures are in process and early shots are available on our new Facebook page if interested.

Just check Eaglesoft Flight Simulation and like us if you do. B)

bummer. I do not use Facebook but I was hoping to enjoy your great a/c over the summer. Looks like I will go Carenado and hope they release a 2nd service pack to tide me over.

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Understood. There is now a direct link to the FB Site on our main site but we shouldn't post it here: B)

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Just Flight also do a Hawker, which isn't bad although not close to PMDG quality. How it compares to Carenado, I can't say as I don;t buy their stuff anymore unless it's heavily discounted. Both Xtreme Prototypes and Lionheart do 20-series Learjets.  I think the jury is out on which is more realistic but from experience, with a low-end system, I can say that the Xtreme Prototypes version gives very good frame rates.

 

(And I prefer my manuals without a load of religion bundled with them.  :rolleyes: )

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Have you looked at the Flight1 Mustang? I've got over 1500 hrs in it. It's not a Hawker or a C5 but, it does have some good systems modeling and flight dynamics. It's also Navigraph updateable.

 

Might be a good interim small jet for you.

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I have the H850XP and it's definitely fun to fly.

 

One critical element involves adjusting the initial fuel load to match your flight length since the simulator (P3D) fills it up 100% at start. If you don't adjust this, it flies like a brick  :lol:

 

The FMS works with a few bugs, don't buy this if you want to fly it like an Airbus (full auto-flight). I'm refining manual approaches with this bird. Lots of fun island hopping in the Caribbean. 

 

 

I hope they have the following in the next service pack:

 

  • FMS fixes
  • Shortcut to activate the lift dump spoilers

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Understood. There is now a direct link to the FB Site on our main site but we shouldn't post it here: B)

 

I wouldn't consider any of the new Carenado jets.  Truly, much rather have the Flight1 Mustang (Not FSX-SE compatible nor P3D compatible).

 

Ron,

 

Are you considering making the new aircraft compatible with LINDA?  Not trying to stir the pot...just asking.

 

Gregg

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Greg we don't do Linda at this point... What is the interest in Linda from a sim pilots perspective?

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Greg we don't do Linda at this point... What is the interest in Linda from a sim pilots perspective?

 

LINDA, from a sim pilots prospective, allows use to more easily use our panels and yoke to their fullest. Without it and SPAD, a lot of things just won't work with saitek panels for example. 

 

Like I have their radio panel, switch panel, multi-panel, yoke, multiple throttle quadrants and combat rudder pedals.

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If Eaglesoft's gauge programmer uses XML to code the avionics it will be compatable with Linda as long as he exposes the L:vars

If he uses C/C++ then Fsuipc macros will work, Eaglesoft added key mapping to the CX750 which is a last resort but does help.

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I love Flight simming, I really enjoy complex and well designed aircraft for FSX. I have for example the PMDG 777, NGX and the A2A 182 Skylane, amongst others. I would LOVE to have a bizjet in my hangar but....it just seems that those who don't like Carenado, really don't like them and those that do range from ok to happy with their purchases. I am not interested in the Eaglesoft Citation X, its too outdated in its graphics.

Do i get the Carenado Hawker knowing its systems are not of the same level as A2A and PMDG and be satisfied with an airplane thats ok in comparison to the others, or do i wait for the next Eaglesoft bizjet to come out?

Leonard

If you don't have the F1 Mustang, you should consider doing some research. It's a beauty!

 

The Hawker is fun to fly, easy to control, and basic navigation is possible.

 

It's visually stunning and the sounds are excellent. I also love the lift-dump system.

 

I'm enjoying it, even though it isn't a PMDG. B)

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Ah, if I understand correctly there are some who use it as hardware interface instead of FSUIPC or some other methodology?

Sorry for going off topic from the OP.


If Eaglesoft's gauge programmer uses XML to code the avionics it will be compatable with Linda as long as he exposes the L:vars
If he uses C/C++ then Fsuipc macros will work, Eaglesoft added key mapping to the CX750 which is a last resort but does help.

Sorry, we don't do XML Avionics. Looks like the FSUIPC approach will have to do the job for those who have hardware periphials.

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Ah, if I understand correctly there are some who use it as hardware interface instead of FSUIPC or some other methodology?

 

It works in tandem. 

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LINDA, from a sim pilots prospective, allows use to more easily use our panels and yoke to their fullest. Without it and SPAD, a lot of things just won't work with saitek panels for example. 

 

Like I have their radio panel, switch panel, multi-panel, yoke, multiple throttle quadrants and combat rudder pedals.

Seems as if Saitek is not providing needed interfaces to it's customers. I think I remember this scenario back when Go Flight was the big hardware periphials group. :blink:

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They do provide drivers, and they work with more basic planes. But when you start getting complex, not so much. 

 

Seems as if Saitek is not providing needed interfaces to it's customers. I think I remember this scenario back when Go Flight was the big hardware periphials group. :blink:

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Greg we don't do Linda at this point... What is the interest in Linda from a sim pilots perspective?

 

It makes configuring controls easy as well as easy to change.  You can assign all the buttons, switches, knobs from a great variety of hardware quickly and easily all using LUA commands.  Also, you can aggregate commands (e.g. on some airplanes, hitting the trim up/down button on the yoke also disengages the autopilot but not the YD...hitting the autopilot disconnect on the yoke disconnects the YD, things that are easily handled in LUA.) Further, those configurations can be shared in the community. 

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Seems as if Saitek is not providing needed interfaces to it's customers. I think I remember this scenario back when Go Flight was the big hardware periphials group. :blink:

 

Saitek's interface using SPAD is clunky...no way to aggregate and create custom commands if I recall.  If you use LVARs and offsets then either FSUIPC or LINDA will work.  FSUIPC is more difficult on its own (LINDA handles the repetitive grunt work) but it's doable.

 

EDIT:  To be clear, LINDA handles Saitek just fine...no need for SPAD anymore.  I have about 20 or so airplanes from various devs (RealAir, Milviz, A2A, Carenado, PMDG, Flight1) and they all work with LINDA a champ.  Nothing much special about that part...they just use LVars and offsets.

 

 

Ah, if I understand correctly there are some who use it as hardware interface instead of FSUIPC or some other methodology?

 

Sorry for going off topic from the OP.

 

My apologies to OP as well.  There's no XML gauges requirement.  C++ gauges work just fine with FSUIPC/LINDA.

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If you do get the Hawker and have the GTN 750 you can do a pretty cool GTN mod. Not realistic but feels right and looks really good. It doesn't fix the FLC issue but it will allow for complex navigation / advanced RNAV

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If you do get the Hawker and have the GTN 750 you can do a pretty cool GTN mod. Not realistic but feels right and looks really good. It doesn't fix the FLC issue but it will allow for complex navigation / advanced RNAV

 

And it comes with a LiftDump shortcut  -_-

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Seems as if Saitek is not providing needed interfaces to it's customers. I think I remember this scenario back when Go Flight was the big hardware periphials group.

 

Ron, It is the developer that needs to provide the interfaces.

 

Once a developer strays outside of the SDK the hardware providers have no target to code against.

Saitek hardware and Goflight hardware works perfectly with any addon aircraft that adheres to the FSX/P3D SDK.

 

That is why PMDG and Ifly provide their own SDK's so that the hardware guys can build the needed drivers to interface with the addon.

 

Every bit of hardware on the market can work with addons using the available FSX SDK, once you as a developer go outside of that framework then the hardware does not work. at that point it is up to the developer to publish the L:vars or provide documentataion to enable us to get our hardware working.

 

Saitek and Goflight hardware work out of the box with SDK compliant addons, if you as a developer go outside of that box to provide "needed" functions then you need to document what you have done.

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Fair enough Glenn. The FSSDK does not specify for custom functions thus hardware interface builders are at a loss when a dev departs the SDK for a custom function.

In that case we've provided ini files for FSUIPC interface and will do so in future releases on a limited basis. We have no plans for an es-sdk for hardware vendors at this time.

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Thanks everyone, I had an idea that the Flight1 Mustang would be recommended, mostly positive reviews thus far. Will definitely have a look at it, but will be keeping an eye out for the Eaglesoft release. I had the Citation X in FS2004 and it was brilliant then, so can only imagine their latest release will be up to scratch.

Leonard

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